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Originally Posted by
BritishBecky
erm... I thought I was unshockable but that did it for me! Jane, your agreement is to pay the models the hourly. The risk is yours. You get the 10% when things go well. Sometimes they don't and you lose out. What exactly are you there for? Just to skim 10% - for what? Or is that what you charge for unprofessional, rude and insulting public forum outings?
This opportunity would not be available with out us, so, if they want to quit and not get the hourly, great. And, public outing? can you even read? Seems like the complainer models were the first to out, with FALSE INFORMATION
This is to correct the lies from one or two "models" Everybody was given terms of being paid hourly, it included paying attention to the potential customers. with the risk of being canned or losing hourly if caught cheating, as which two people were.
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Where does a model get off openly giving false statements?
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Originally Posted by
RaeRae
Jane, where do you get off posting any monetary information about what a model has made openly and connecting it with their SW name? How unprofessional can you be?
Same way isobelle is unprofessional in making up false statements. I have corrected the misinformation for you all to see. And if her sw name is isobelle and her fwc name is isobelle, what is the problem?
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If this is the case then they should have been told IMMEDIATELY that they were no longer receiving the hourly pay - pulling it retroactively is what everyone has an issue with
They have the right to pay who they want but it is unethical to allow the ladies to continue logging on under the guise that they are receiving pay for their time
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
Same way isobelle is unprofessional in making up false statements. I have corrected the misinformation for you all to see. And if her sw name is isobelle and her fwc name is isobelle, what is the problem?
I seriously cannot believe that you don't see that as a problem. No one's exact earnings are anyone's business but the studio's and the model's. It is irrelevant exactly how much was made and is a major breach of privacy to post that publicly. No matter what happens, you should do everything to remain professional and not cross that line no matter what is being said. In a service providing position like a studio the onus is on you to be professional at all times when interacting with the models, no matter how much someone angers you. It's not the model's responsibility to be the better person, they are paying you a fee and should at the bare minimum get their privacy respected at all times in this industry.
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
This opportunity would not be available with out us, so, if they want to quit and not get the hourly, great.
Except that the hourly exists without you...
http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...alary-gig.html
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I don't see how no tokens equals no effort, or trying to scam the system. When I was on hourly at Cam4 I would often make no tokens, but it wasn't for lack of effort. I would do countdowns, engage the customers, offer flashes for tips, and still nada. You can't make cheap asses tip if they don't have any money. Especially on a site with the word "Free" in the name.
The site owners need to worry more about getting quality spending traffic to the site and not put it all on the models. Broke is broke and you can't squeeze money out of someone who has none no matter how "hot" you are or how much you "work it".
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Originally Posted by
Nikki_Fox
If this is the case then they should have been told IMMEDIATELY that they were no longer receiving the hourly pay - pulling it retroactively is what everyone has an issue with
They have the right to pay who they want but it is unethical to allow the ladies to continue logging on under the guise that they are receiving pay for their time
alas, she did get paid the next week she worked. Mind you it was not until the 16th that we found out she had zero tokens from the week before, and they did not pay her hourly.
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Originally Posted by
Nikki_Fox
If this is the case then they should have been told IMMEDIATELY that they were no longer receiving the hourly pay - pulling it retroactively is what everyone has an issue with
They have the right to pay who they want but it is unethical to allow the ladies to continue logging on under the guise that they are receiving pay for their time
alas, she did get paid the next week she worked. Mind you it was not until the 16th that we found out she had zero tokens from the week before, and they did not pay her hourly.
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My understanding is she was not notified until after she had worked the hours with no tokens that earning tokens was the new criteria to receive the hourly pay
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Originally Posted by
BritishBecky
Problem is the people complaining would not be able to qualify independently on the last three items listed.
USA Girls ONLY *
English Speaking *
Must be willing to work 25 hrs. per week*
Must have a good internet connection (25 down 5 up)*
Must be at least a "7" on the 1 - 10 scale*
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
This opportunity would not be available with out us, so, if they want to quit and not get the hourly, great. And, public outing? can you even read? Seems like the complainer models were the first to out, with FALSE INFORMATION
This is to correct the lies from one or two "models" Everybody was given terms of being paid hourly, it included paying attention to the potential customers. with the risk of being canned or losing hourly if caught cheating, as which two people were.
I am NOT a model on this site. The fact that you replied to MY post by posting ANOTHER PERSON'S financial stuff is...well, I would say "unbelievable", but I would honestly believe anything from you at this point. Jane, whatever your intentions were going into this, you have become the exact thing this forum tries so hard to help people avoid: a scummy studio owner playing bait-and-switch, making money off the backs of hard-working camgirls. The fact that you yourself are a cammodel makes this even more disgusting. You used your reputation as a fellow cammodel and a member of this forum to gain trust, and then you proceeded to rip people off. Yes, Jane, you ripped them off. However you dress it up, you RIPPED THEM OFF. They trusted you, and you shit on them as soon as things got tough for you.
I used to respect you, but the things you have said on here have made me lose all that. That genuinely saddens me, but your behaviour also really pisses me off. The more you "defend" yourself, the worse you make yourself look. Give it up, girl. The ship has sailed. Close up shop here and join your boy on GFY to recruit--I think their style might suit you better.
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
Problem is the people complaining would not be able to qualify independently on the last three items listed.
USA Girls ONLY *
English Speaking *
Must be willing to work 25 hrs. per week*
Must have a good internet connection (25 down 5 up)*
Must be at least a "7" on the 1 - 10 scale*
The fact that you condone this kind of behavior is disgusting. You think it's right and fair to call your fellow camgirls unattractive and unworthy of work? You are just as bad as every evil studio out there.
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
Problem is the people complaining would not be able to qualify independently on the last three items listed.
USA Girls ONLY *
English Speaking *
Must be willing to work 25 hrs. per week*
Must have a good internet connection (25 down 5 up)*
Must be at least a "7" on the 1 - 10 scale*
Oooh good. It's not enough that you screwed them over. Now you say they don't meet the '7' requirement. Professionalism just shining through.
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
Problem is the people complaining would not be able to qualify independently on the last three items listed.
USA Girls ONLY *
English Speaking *
Must be willing to work 25 hrs. per week*
Must have a good internet connection (25 down 5 up)*
Must be at least a "7" on the 1 - 10 scale*
http://powerdiversity.com/wp-content...8ef1c5ee0a.gif
Wow you really went there.
Cuz nooo you can't possibly make any money if you're not at least a "7" cuz wtf is all these niche categories anyways...
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Originally Posted by
Nikki_Fox
My understanding is she was not notified until after she had worked the hours with no tokens that earning tokens was the new criteria to receive the hourly pay
When the website FWC held her pay on 16jan, we notified the model immediately, she had already worked the week after the week she earned no tokens, and got paid for the week at normal payout. I believe that the firm policy of not paying with not tokens was changed to flexible, case by case basis, but fwc accounting and ownership came hard on the dont payout of no tokens starting the 16th payment. Greg has been constantly working with the owners to get that pay for her, and is still working on it, even though her squealing on here is annoying and maddening. as soon as we get that pay for no tokens she will be paid that. Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
POSTED MODEL EARNINGS
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK? WHY WOULD YOU POST A MODELS EARNINGS PUBLICLY....? YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
I understand you are frustrated. But really? REALLY? Didn't I already point this out, when you did it before?
That is a huge no, no girl. YOU NEVER SHARE A MODEL'S EARNINGS PUBLICLY!
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Originally Posted by
audritwo
Hunny, this is just wrong. No one is better then anyone. I don't think its professional for a studio to announce one of their model's earnings publicly and then make fun of it. "Check yourself before you wreck yourself."
That's all what I have to say, and hope everyone learns something from this.
Jane I like you, I respect you as a cammodel, and a businesswoman. But please, you are only doing yourself harm by pulling shit like this. Trying to prove a point or not.
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
. Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
What a hero... A studio boss that almost paid the model what he said he would.
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Originally Posted by
pinkpink
The fact that you condone this kind of behavior is disgusting. You think it's right and fair to call your fellow camgirls unattractive and unworthy of work? You are just as bad as every evil studio out there.
The 25 hours is funny, most dont work even 15
Quote Originally Posted by BritishBecky View Post
Except that the hourly exists without you...
http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...alary-gig.html
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Originally Posted by
pinkpink
The fact that you condone this kind of behavior is disgusting. You think it's right and fair to call your fellow camgirls unattractive and unworthy of work? You are just as bad as every evil studio out there.
The 25 hours is funny, most dont work even 15
Quote Originally Posted by BritishBecky View Post
Except that the hourly exists without you...
http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...alary-gig.html
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
When the website FWC held her pay on 16jan, we notified the model immediately, she had already worked the week after the week she earned no tokens, and got paid for the week at normal payout. I believe that the firm policy of not paying with not tokens was changed to flexible, case by case basis, but fwc accounting and ownership came hard on the dont payout of no tokens starting the 16th payment. Greg has been constantly working with the owners to get that pay for her, and is still working on it, even though her squealing on here is annoying and maddening. as soon as we get that pay for no tokens she will be paid that. Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
Alright, I emailed you on January 22nd at 2:49 p.m. PST.
I received this response at 3:21 p.m. PST: "The cam site held your payment back because they said you didn't earn tokens at all that week. Greg is waiting to hear back from Jose about if they are going to send that payment this week or what is going on. I'll let you know what they say once we get an answer back."
At 3:35 p.m. PST (AFTER I was told), a mass email was sent to models with this paragraph included: "The site also decided that they do not want to pay hourly to performers that don't earn any tokens. You don't have to earn a certain amount or an amount daily. However if you work, they expect you to earn some tokens, even just 20. Not sure when they changed that rule, but they just informed us of it."
At 5:24 p.m. PST on February 5th, I received this: "Accounting said they submitted your funds to be paid out. I don't know if they are in the studio payment we get for tomorrow or for next week. I'll let you know tomorrow when we get paid from them."
I did not receive the above payment and on the 18th of February at 12:18 p.m. PST I received this: "Greg talked to Tim yesterday about it and he said he would look into it. If you want to send Joe a message yourself, he does the accounting for the site. His email addy is XXXX. I'm not sure what happened, last I heard it was submitted to be paid out and it wasn't send in the weekly payout to us. Its possible a higher up declined it since they are pretty firm on you having to earn at least a few tokens if you're on hourly."
So, I was not notified on the 16th of January and while I was very confident you were going to bat for me initially, you finally just left me the accounting office contact information to deal with it myself. Yes, I've squealed and whined quite a bit.
ETA: I'm not leaving screen shots of the emails because I don't want the possibility of anyone's work or personal emails accidentally appearing on this forum.
I do not appreciate people leaving out my earnings, but I also just came off a $1500 week between cam and tips from my regular job so I don't really care if people see those as 'low.' My major concern is that I expect my privacy to be respected and it most certainly was not. I trusted you with my information. I don't want to see anything that is potentially identifying end up on a public form.
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I get the issue in collecting from the site - but you and your husband signed up to represent your models - owning a business has it up and downs - sadly sometimes things just dont work out in your favor - the little bit of money she is due is not worth the cost of the drama it has caused and damage to your good name - I have been on escort calls that went wrong - not because of any wrong doing on my part - and I gave the guy his money back - did I earn it - Hell Yea - Is it worth the possible consequences to fight over it ??? No - I chalk it up to the cost of doing business - move on and forget about it - you cant buy respect here it has to be earned - you had done that in spades - in the big picture is this really worth all of this for that little bit of money ????
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
Greg has been constantly working with the owners to get that pay for her, and is still working on it, even though her squealing on here is annoying and maddening. as soon as we get that pay for no tokens she will be paid that. Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
Would you be pissed if the site you worked on changed their policy right when payouts went out? Without waiting for the next pay period? No warning. Girls were thinking they were getting paid. I get the policy change. And that's the site call. But it's shitty to change the policy without carrying it over to the next pay period. She was expecting a payment, maybe depending on it.
I can understand why she is being annoying and maddening. 100%
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Originally Posted by
audritwo
Jane I like you, I respect you as a cammodel, and a businesswoman. But please, you are only doing yourself harm by pulling shit like this. Trying to prove a point or not.
I respect her as a cammodel, due 100% to the fact she makes money, but I sure as fuck no longer respect her as a businesswoman. As a person? Not on your fucking life. And I know we aren't supposed to attack people personally on here, but jesus fucking christ. Enough Jane. You've gone down in flames, it's no use getting out your squirt bottle now.
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
In addition, Greg has been working with FWC as to get the unpaid hourly back on behalf of you and the other model, however, their accounting department refuses to pay, and we are working on another solution to get you paid
this to me would demonstrate that she was not paid the funds she was promised. as such I don't consider any of the factual posts in this thread to be libel, as your husband insinuated in his report about this thread
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Originally Posted by
RaeRae
Jane, where do you get off posting any monetary information about what a model has made openly and connecting it with their SW name? How unprofessional can you be?
agreed. @Jane, this is the second time you've posted personal info in this thread about models who have signed up to your studio. this is a massive violation of sw rules and if it occurs again I will be handing out serious infractions. as a service owner you have a high duty of care to protect the privacy of women who trust you to do the right thing. based upon your pattern of behavior it doesn't appear that you understand this fully
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Originally Posted by
JaneBurgess
Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
I don't understand why you two didn't do the right thing and just pay the two models who got shafted. ethically that would be the right thing to do, as you're the middle man between the models and the site. no one can force you to pay them, obviously, but I don't understand why continue to support and defend a site that retroactively removed model earnings. The mental leaps of logic that are required to justify such action are totally beyond me. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you as a peer, but as a studio owner in all honesty I think you're doing the wrong thing here
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Originally Posted by
Issabelle
Alright, I emailed you on January 22nd at 2:49 p.m. PST.
I received this response at 3:21 p.m. PST: "The cam site held your payment back because they said you didn't earn tokens at all that week. Greg is waiting to hear back from Jose about if they are going to send that payment this week or what is going on. I'll let you know what they say once we get an answer back."
At 3:35 p.m. PST (AFTER I was told), a mass email was sent to models with this paragraph included: "The site also decided that they do not want to pay hourly to performers that don't earn any tokens. You don't have to earn a certain amount or an amount daily. However if you work, they expect you to earn some tokens, even just 20. Not sure when they changed that rule, but they just informed us of it."
At 5:24 p.m. PST on February 5th, I received this: "Accounting said they submitted your funds to be paid out. I don't know if they are in the studio payment we get for tomorrow or for next week. I'll let you know tomorrow when we get paid from them."
I did not receive the above payment and on the 18th of February at 12:18 p.m. PST I received this: "Greg talked to Tim yesterday about it and he said he would look into it. If you want to send Joe a message yourself, he does the accounting for the site. His email addy is XXXX. I'm not sure what happened, last I heard it was submitted to be paid out and it wasn't send in the weekly payout to us. Its possible a higher up declined it since they are pretty firm on you having to earn at least a few tokens if you're on hourly."
So, I was not notified on the 16th of January and while I was very confident you were going to bat for me initially, you finally just left me the accounting office contact information to deal with it myself. Yes, I've squealed and whined quite a bit
thank you for again explaining the timeline so succinctly.
I also want to make a point about model behavior, as that's be referenced a few times as an excuse for why this all happened. No one can force any one of us to behave unethically, we're all responsible for the choices we make. I have no doubt that some unpaid models have been quite strenuous in their objections to being having income deducted retroactively, but that doesn't excuse the way they have been treated or the fact that they did not receive the funds they were promised.
what a mess. I'm sorry to both Space and Issabelle that this happened, and that your personal info was posted without your permission. It will NOT happen again.