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It started happening when they introduced Gold shows. That's when you can see the traffic starting to dip. I also don't think all the glitches have helped either.
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Gals, if you look at all the traffic sites stats across the board every single one of the sites has steadily declining traffic. I'm curious as to why that is. I thought maybe it was just the "summer bummer" because traffic was the highest last January... so I guess we will have to wait and see.
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Hi. It's my first post here. I had another account but i can't login with it so i created a new one. I want to ask... Is that page reliable? All cam sites i tried have a dip the last 2 months. Seems a bit strange...;D
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I saw the Alexa reports too and they all have a dip since summer or so. WTF. It's PORN!!!! They have to be going somewhere.
But my theory for at least SM is yes, the gold shows brought it down. It's great to get $ from the guys that wouldn't otherwise spend. BUT, I've also noticed some regs that went cheap on me waiting around for those shows.
My biggest is the damn star ratings though. I ban the fuck out of people, because of those ratings. My guess is I'm not the only one and now you have a bunch of butthurt, entitled creepers pissed off because we shut them out. If I could just kick them out for the day and only ban them if they're seriously bad then I think that would help. Cough, cough, hint, hint sm.
But, with the traffic down everywhere ???
Another thing is weed is legal in some places now. Maybe they are getting their plant on and then the munchies and forgetting about us as they fall asleep? Or just flat out of $$.
Going out on a real limb here maybe they are actually getting laid somehow. LOL
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I have been on sm for about 5 years and I can say the traffic dropped a lot for me once the gold shows started. I can still do well during the day but at night when $1.00 gold shows abound I wont see anything but a regular here or there ....or beggars asking when my gold show is starting (I don't do gold shows). When I say this they leave. When the gold shows started the girls who did them made good money because it was 10 dollars for 5 minutes 150-300 for the show so 15 members or more could watch. But in the beginning only a small group were given the ability to do gold shows. Once everyone was allowed then the pries started dropping like crazy. The girls started dropping prices to absolute crazy town. I saw one the other night that was 1.00 for 15 mins and they only asked 30dollars total for the show. So why would anyone want to be in priv with me for almost 4 bucks a min?....thankfully in the evening I still have regulars and I work more than one site. The only way change will be for al of he ladies to hold firm on a price structure. But the need to pay the bills sometimes takes over.....I get that.
I looked at compete.com but must havegotten the wrong page because I did not see anything abut camming sites.
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Going out on a real limb here maybe they are actually getting laid somehow. LOL[/QUOTE]
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww that could not be it!
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It's probably due to the lawsuit with Google, regarding whitelabels. It was posted about in the Streamate forum a while back, but I know it is hell to wade though. Maybe some ladies with more thoughts on this will weigh in
This would appear to be a minor contributing factor. Repeat customers already know where to find SM. New customers have lots of other search engines available, as well as lots of links to follow from other adult websites.
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Gals, if you look at all the traffic sites stats across the board every single one of the sites has steadily declining traffic. I'm curious as to why that is. I thought maybe it was just the "summer bummer" because traffic was the highest last January... so I guess we will have to wait and see.
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It's PORN!!!! They have to be going somewhere. But my theory for at least SM is yes, the gold shows brought it down. It's great to get $ from the guys that wouldn't otherwise spend. BUT, I've also noticed some regs that went cheap on me waiting around for those shows.
Making the assumption that guys will always be able to spend money on Porn / adult webcam, and making the further assumption that guys are taking their business to other adult webcam sites, may not be the case. According to a just released Social Security Administration report ( see )
-39 percent of American workers made less than $20,000 last year.
-52 percent of American workers made less than $30,000 last year.
-63 percent of American workers made less than $40,000 last year.
-72 percent of American workers made less than $50,000 last year.
edit - those percentages don't factor in the roughly one third of Americans age 20-45 who do not have jobs / aren't actually working, either.
On top of that, this year Americans faced state and local tax increases, food price increases, rent price increases, insurance cost increases, utility cost increases, etc. About the only thing that went down was gasoline prices, but that only happened recently. So the question may not be 'where else have SM's customers gone' but instead 'where else did former SM customers' money wind up going'. In the final analysis, paid webcam, lap dances etc. are a 'luxury' ... and take a much lower 'budget' priority than paying the rent, buying food, paying taxes, keeping their lights on and cable TV working, etc.
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Once everyone was allowed then the pries started dropping like crazy. The girls started dropping prices to absolute crazy town. I saw one the other night that was 1.00 for 15 mins and they only asked 30dollars total for the show. So why would anyone want to be in priv with me for almost 4 bucks a min?....thankfully in the evening I still have regulars and I work more than one site.
You can also combine a couple of facts to support this conclusion. If 2/3rds of 28% or only 18% of Americans are actually earning enough money to be able to afford a significant amount of spending on the 'luxury' of paid webcam, those 18% of Americans are also likely to be 'put off' by the bargain basement environment of gold shows ( and the cheapskate customers that dominate them ). Thus these higher earning webcam customers may be the ones who have moved to more 'upscale' webcam hosts ... or may have simply cut back altogether on paid webcam spending because of the increasingly 'mass market' environment.
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Melonie
This would appear to be a minor contributing factor. Repeat customers already know where to find SM. New customers have lots of other search engines available, as well as lots of links to follow from other adult websites.
Making the assumption that guys will always be able to spend money on Porn / adult webcam, and making the further assumption that guys are taking their business to other adult webcam sites, may not be the case. According to a just released Social Security Administration report ( see
http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2013 )
-39 percent of American workers made less than $20,000 last year.
-52 percent of American workers made less than $30,000 last year.
-63 percent of American workers made less than $40,000 last year.
-72 percent of American workers made less than $50,000 last year.
On top of this, this year Americans faced state and local tax increases, food price increases, rent price increases, insurance cost increases, utility cost increases, etc. About the only thing that went down was gasoline prices, but that only happened recently. So the question may not be 'where else have SM's customers gone' but instead 'where else did former SM customers' money wind up going'. In the final analysis, paid webcam, lap dances etc. are a 'luxury' ... and take a much lower 'budget' priority than paying the rent, buying food, paying taxes, keeping their lights on and cable TV working, etc.
I totally agree Melonie! It's the economy....no way some of these guys are getting laid....!!!!!!!!!!! The mere thought bogles my mind!
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I dont think its just the economy, I think customers hate site changes. Streamate dipped at the start of Gold shows and when they stopped buying quality traffic. Many good customers hated Gold shows and many performers will only do Gold shows now. Plus they have terrible customer service reviews on all the cam review sites. It drove good customers to other cam sites. Not all cam sites have dipped in traffic this year. Flirt4Free for example has been going up in traffic.
Streamate needs to go back to buying traffic again. They need to either get rid of Gold shows or set minimum standards like making all shows at least a buck a minute. They also should get rid of all the free nudity in free chat, that doesn't help any cam site at all. People complain about LJ being strict, but they are the top cam site and have been for years. They are proof the old school methods work and are what customers are looking for.
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I have been watching models for almost 2 years now. I watch every time before I log on. I want to see what kind of mood they are in. How much they are charging for their gold shows ect. I have heard quite a few things I would not have if I wasn't listening. One of those things being that the top models I do watch seem to do mostly gold shows so they don't lose their placement due to the star ratings. Because if you do the gold show they can't leave a rating. I saw the same ladies at various points basically what I call begging, but asking for 5 star ratings. In other words they let their guard down did some shows and got dicked by haters.
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Mare
I have been watching models for almost 2 years now. I watch every time before I log on. I want to see what kind of mood they are in. How much they are charging for their gold shows ect. I have heard quite a few things I would not have if I wasn't listening. One of those things being that the top models I do watch seem to do mostly gold shows so they don't lose their placement due to the star ratings. Because if you do the gold show they can't leave a rating. I saw the same ladies at various points basically what I call begging, but asking for 5 star ratings. In other words they let their guard down did some shows and got dicked by haters.
If you don't get any ratings in 90 days then they take away a star. So only doing gold shows won't really help with their star ratings because it will go down one star after 90 days anyway.
Edited to add: I double-checked the Streamate manual just to be sure because.......let's all be serious. I am extremely brain dead these days so I have to double-check everything that comes out of my mouth. ;)
How Ratings Are Calculated
Your rating is an average of all ratings given in the last 90 days – if you’ve received less than five reviews from different members in the last 90 days, your rating will go back to the default of four stars. If a single customer rates you more than once, only their most recent rating is counted
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The traffic drop is weird, I went to alexa.com , and typed in every adult site I could think of and they all had a drop from July through October, or a drop in october. Very strange
myfreecams, streamate. clips4sale, flirt4free, mygirlfund, livejamsin...
Either its Google, or Christmas shopping (or saving up for Black Friday) has gotten crazy this year and so consumer driven "shop shop shop" and many men don't have extra money for porn right now. Or a bit of both?
What was once a busy season might turn into a slower season, but many of are customers need porn so I don't think they will be gone for long, then around new years things will pick back up. Don't panic too soon. Traffic might be going down but lots of people still have money going up for them.
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Actually, I believe you are incorrect, the ratings are only based on an average of 90 days and defaults to 4 stars if you get NO ratings. That's why they beg for the 5 star ratings because they mostly do Gold Shows which doesn't give ratings.
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Mare
I have been watching models for almost 2 years now. I watch every time before I log on. I want to see what kind of mood they are in. How much they are charging for their gold shows ect. I have heard quite a few things I would not have if I wasn't listening. One of those things being that the top models I do watch seem to do mostly gold shows so they don't lose their placement due to the star ratings. Because if you do the gold show they can't leave a rating. I saw the same ladies at various points basically what I call begging, but asking for 5 star ratings. In other words they let their guard down did some shows and got dicked by haters.
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Most girls do goldshows to hustle fast money and to get their percentages in paid up therefore resulting in higher placement. That's about it. Getting 5 stars isn't a hard task unless you're a new girl. Guys leave 5 stars all the time but the focus is mainly on higher placement. What's 5 stars going to do if you're not being seen? As for traffic dip, it is what it is. As models we need to stay hungry and supplement our income the way we can. SM has been great for me but it has its ups and downs. I know that as long as I'm splitting and or logging on I'm going to make my goals.
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The main problem with Alexa is its rankings are based on users who have installed the Alexa toolbar onto their browser. If you do not have the toolbar running, you do not affect the rankings of the sites you visit, so their stats are not accurate.
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TransdimensionalPrincess
The traffic drop is weird, I went to alexa.com , and typed in every adult site I could think of and they all had a drop from July through October, or a drop in october. Very strange
myfreecams, streamate. clips4sale, flirt4free, mygirlfund, livejamsin...
Either its Google, or Christmas shopping (or saving up for Black Friday) has gotten crazy this year and so consumer driven "shop shop shop" and many men don't have extra money for porn right now. Or a bit of both?
What was once a busy season might turn into a slower season, but many of are customers need porn so I don't think they will be gone for long, then around new years things will pick back up. Don't panic too soon. Traffic might be going down but lots of people still have money going up for them.
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JaneBurgess
The main problem with Alexa is its rankings are based on users who have installed the Alexa toolbar onto their browser. If you do not have the toolbar running, you do not affect the rankings of the sites you visit, so their stats are not accurate.
Thats interesting, never knew that. What would be a better site to use to search site traffic?
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I forgot to mention remember, a lot of our sales don't come from SM, they come from the many white labels driving traffic TO sm, cm, etc. Every show you get isn't coming through sm, it might come from bigfaketits.com or whatever, lol. :P
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I don't think its just the google thing that has been causing traffic to be blah. I think its a number of things....
1) I think they changed their marketing method, I don't think they're advertising on the same site as they once did. I think they've tried going a cheaper route which isn't working. I don't get nearly the same amount of guys in my room as I did 2-4 years ago.
2) Google of course
3) Gold shows
3) All the glitches. Ever since they upgraded the site for Gold Shows they've had nothing but glitches. Granted I rarely get glitches but I don't remember any models ever complaining about glitches before Gold Shows. It doesn't help that Sm support is rude to customers. I couldn't even imagine spending money on a site, having an issue with the site, going to support for help and getting a stank attitude.
4) The economy
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I think it's good that you can't get ratings from cuties in gold shows. It's an incentive to not only do gold shows.
I wish gold shows would just...go away.
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Omg! My traffic has dropped so much, I thought it was just me! I used to make $100 in 5 hours and now I'm making around $20 in 7 hours.
Is anyone else experiencing this? This is my main job and I'm new to this. How to I cope with the money and traffic loss? :(
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This site seems to be better http://www.similarweb.com/website/streamate.com
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Thats interesting, never knew that. What would be a better site to use to search site traffic?
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Jesus Christ! Can we post other things besides ultra negative crap?? You can't expect business to remain the same with economy changes- which is inevitable, with all the new technologies and such- but you CAN do is ADAPT. The camming business is not the only business that has changed. Do you see other people laying out on the road crying "why?" or do you see them adapting? Things change- would you rather use a type writer or a laptop? You rather ride a horse cross country or drive a car or book a flight? This is called life. If your current hustle isn't working, try a new one.
This stupid, constant whining about the camming business and blaming everyone and everything else for lack of income for sure won't make anyone money.
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YEEEEEEES, fix it Jesus!
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JoJoX
Jesus Christ! Can we post other things besides ultra negative crap?? You can't expect business to remain the same with economy changes- which is inevitable, with all the new technologies and such- but you CAN do is ADAPT. The camming business is not the only business that has changed. Do you see other people laying out on the road crying "why?" or do you see them adapting? Things change- would you rather use a type writer or a laptop? You rather ride a horse cross country or drive a car or book a flight? This is called life. If your current hustle isn't working, try a new one.
This stupid, constant whining about the camming business and blaming everyone and everything else for lack of income for sure won't make anyone money.