StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
Hello everyone,
First thing first, we are not cam models, not strippers nor are we trying to get in touch in a pervasive way with industry performers. We are simply a team of 4 at a Startup Weekend Event in Budapest (Link to our team: ), and we came out with an idea for token-oriented cam sites such as Cam4 / Bongacams / Chaturbate / MFC.
Our problem statement as users was that it is currently taking way too much time for a show "To get going on" because it's a long process for the model to gather all the wanted tokens in order to reach the goal. This is not beneficial to models - they'd like to gather tokens quicker - nor to users who would like to see the action without waiting a long time.
We are sort of "cheap" users, we give some occasional tokens because we enjoy model's performance, but we do not really understand the people giving away hundreds of $$$. When we give tokens, it's just to say "thank you" - its not like our 5 tokens out of 5000 required are of a big help -.
Yet we've been thinking we are hundreds, even thousands, of viewers. If we were all tipping together, at the same time, our few tokens multiplied by the great number of potential "small tippers" could result in a huge amount.
So our solution would be to mix a Crowdfunding logic in such token-oriented cam sites where you could pledge money, and after a timer if the goal is not reached users are refunded. It could look like less money for models, but actually we strongly believe that it would empower much more people into tipping and feeling that their few tokens are meaningful because:
1) It would have no risk for them, they pledge their tokens, either the goal is reached within a few minutes or they get them back. No risk means more people would stop being freeloaders.
2) It gives a time objective, so you dont end it tipping for something that will happen in 45minutes.
So, well, it is still a bit sketchy, I hope I was clear enough. We would very much like to get in touch with people having camming experience, communicate by chat or mail and ask out a few questions to better understand the "model side".
Please do not hesitate giving any sort of feedback on that topic :)
Kind regards,
Gérald
Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
This already exists on Streamate, it's called a Gold show. If the show doesn't meet goal by the end of the time limit, the people who bought into the show don't get charged.
Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
Hello Tsani,
Thanks for your quick answer.
I just went to look at Streamate Gold Shows and I see quite a few differences which I failed to make clear:
--> The model would remain entirely free as Chaturbate: if you did not pay you can still see the show. But on the other hand, if you are willing to pay but just a few token, you get it meaningful as you pledge your money with other people
--> It's not pledging for a "bundle" containing many different actions such as striptease + fingering + cum show; it's crowdfunding one goal at a time: for example, there are 200 tokens remaining for the model to start stripteasing, I pledge 5 and a 3min timer begins. Everyone can pledge with me, at the end of timer if we did not reach the goal we are refunded, if we reached it then we can start pledging money toward "fingering".
--> Maybe while the goldmeter is moving toward "Striptease", I'll pledge 10 tokens on the action "flash ass for 50 tokens" proposed by the model, a timer starts and people can join me on it!
So it really revolves around the idea that if people can "pledge" then it takes out the risk from tipping - that you may tip for something that will take a long time to or not happen - and hence more people should be tipping together, in a quicker fashion. For the model it would allow to get more tokens quicker, of course if people are refunded then the model does not perform the goal.
Is the idea clearer? Sorry for being a bit sketchy, we try to validate a start-up concept in 54 hours so it is a bit quick and dirty still. You feedback is very invaluable :)
Cheers,
Gérald
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Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
Hello everyone,
We have been exchanging over that idea with a couple of customers, 6-8 models and a studio owner. I would like to propose you a refined version/explanation as so far one can say it is not having a tremendous success here
So concerning the "Crowdfucking" idea, we do not mean to remove the ability of "effectively tipping" a model.
The crowdfunding mechanic would be an addition to the existing free live cam model: as a customer, you could choose either to "pledge" and see your money come back a few minutes later if goal is not reached, or "tip" if you simply want to give money to the model.
On pay-per-minute cam sites, you usually have "group shows" and "private show", group shows being kind of a cheaper version. Crowdfunding feature would act in the same fashion, being a "cheapest version" of a tip resulting in two buttons for the user: PLEDGE / TIP. (Maybe instead of pledge we could call it "Group Tip" so to better represent it is made to empower users act collectively, what do you think?)
As the gold meter would progress toward the goal, you could see what part are real tips and what part are pledged tips, with for example light blue and dark blue.
When customers begin pledging/group tipping, a small associated timer starts - for example 3 minutes - and they can all put money with no risk:
- Either the goal is reached, and you perform your predefined goal - as in the existing sites such as MFC / Chaturbate -. Indeed, you keep full control of the goals you set. It is not about pressurizing you into executing certain actions, it is about empowering you to effectively & efficiently monetize your audience.
- Or the goal is not reached, then depending on your choice:
1) Customers who pledged are refunded, and you do not have to perform the goal: it is not reached yet - but maybe it will be reached with the next Group Tip / Tips -
2) You decide the Group Tip was "big enough", for example $90 out $100, take the money and perform your set goal. Users are happy: they pay, but they get what they paid for.
So now, why implementing such a mechanic?
The stand point is that it would get a lot more members involved. We feel like on free cam sites, MFC for example, generally it is only 1 or 2 members that are doing all the heavy lifting to get the shows going. Most of the guys don't have an hour to sit and wait for goals to be reached, so from a member point of view I could chip in my $10 or whatever without the risk of not making the goal in the end or in the time I have available to wait.
As we see it, there are two main kind of paying customers: the big and regular tippers who are more looking forward companionship & sharing with the models, they are generally being nice/supportive because they do not care much about seeing yet another cumshow, panties off. It is likely that this customer segment would not make such a heavy use of the feature as they do actually want to give the money to the model, and not just for the performance.
The second type of paying customer, though, have a much smaller budget and value what they see - the performance - much more. There are many more of them, and currently when they tip they take a huge risk: they can only afford to give small amounts, and have no ways to know if it will actually get them to see what they want within a certain time window. So what happens? This is game theory (look at "Game Theory" and "Nash equilibrium" on Wikipedia if interested), you do not take action because you are afraid others won't either - effectively resulting in no one taking action.
So for this customer segment, we assume that what refrains them the most from tipping is the lack of timeline and high risk of "wasting your tip", resulting in no collective action even though everyone knows it'd be necessary to reach goals. The key psychological drivers here are:
1) Time: So we want to compress the time necessary to reach goals, for this we need what is known as a "timeboxing" in time management
2) Risk: So we want take away from them the risk that burdens them. This is done by guaranteeing refund in case of no action.
We assume that effectively removing those two pain points would ensure collective action for tipping, and hence increase the number of tokens you receive while decreasing how long it takes. Simply put... much more $$$ / hour for you.
That is why we strongly believe implementing a Crowdfunding logic is the perfect solution: in Crowdfunding, goal, budget and time limit are clearly set and if it does not happen you are refunded so there is no fear. Please note that there may be other/better solutions to tackle those issues, or those might actually not be the issue... I would be very interested to hear what you think of it :)
Of course, that would not remove the freeloaders, but my take on it is that it could be very neat. What do you think?
For the freeloaders, I think a nice way to tackle the "issue" - if I may say - would be to push this crowdfunding logic a bit further: Freeloaders would be targeted with video advertisements (Youtube like) and for each ad displayed you would earn a fraction of a token, resulting in a steady wage for you... out of the freeloaders. Said in another way, freeloaders would participate - against their will - in actively crowdfunding the show through advertisement! Indeed, they'd be more than welcome to tip a token and see no more ads for a time.
I am sharing all of my reasoning up-to-date with you, please do not hesitate giving any feedback and criticizing if you think it is a stupid / fucked up logic.
Cheers,
Gérald
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Originally Posted by
ImNotAModel
1) Time: So we want to compress the time necessary to reach goals, for this we need what is known as a "timeboxing" in time management
2) Risk: So we want take away from them the risk that burdens them. This is done by guaranteeing refund in case of no action.
Yeah SM's Gold shows already do this.
Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
Yes that is true.
But do you think having kind of an in-between between model - featuring certain aspects of Gold Show and Public Chats - would be a bad thing?
Basically freeloaders would still be accepted, the Gold Show mechanics would work on a per goal basis instead and repeated over time.
Here is a real life example to better illustrate what I mean: I just went into chaturbate and copied this Topic in a room with 900 viewers:
"Boobs flash at every goal, top off at 9 goals, completely naked @ 17- Tip 200 for pussy flash ... You Like You Tip (^ . ^)"
Goal = 100 tokens here (to get boob flash)
As I see it, I could say I am interested by getting the show progressing but its kinda slow in the chatroom, so I dont know if it is going to happen soon. We are 900, ok, but I do not know if others mean to tip with me, on the other hand we are maybe 10-12 potential tippers hesitating like me. With Group Tip feature I get to think:
- OK no big deal, let's Group Tip 10 tokens and see.
- a 3 min timer starts, and everyone can join the Group Tip
- we reach 100 in 1min30 because some others were interested in tipping, and could put their money at no risk because if we do not reach boob flash we are refunded.
==> I think it's great for the model, as it was really slow in her room and she was texting out of boredom. These 100 tokens are now HERS and will never be refunded.
Maybe we got to 1100 tokens, 11 goals, and we try Group Tipping the 12th and there are only 20 tokens after the 3min timer. The model chooses its too low for a boob flash, the 20 tokens are refunded. If she is bored she can log off.
--> The 20 tokens are refunded, but the 1100 she made through Group Tips are earned. Even though we did not reach the objective of getting her naked, there is no question on this: none of the 11 goals reached will be refunded !
And all the freeloaders get to see everything that happened, as on Chaturbate, but it is not what really matters. I think what matters is that we could make those 11 goals happen - and 1100 tokens for the model - because we could "Group Tip" without being afraid that no one will tip with us, and nothing happens.
Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
The idea is there, but you'd have to talk with the site about refunding then. Models and other app creators on CB don't control that. That's the sites call.
Also some models probably wouldn't be keen on this. Say they don't make any of her goals, and she gets nothing. But if she gets to keep the tips for any failed, she still earns money.
Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
I would never go for anything like this. Seems like a great way to sit there and never make a dime.
Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
This is clearly written by the king of fucking freeloaders. For real? Stop being so cheap and just tip/per minute properly if you want to see some action. If not, go watch porn. Stuff like this annoys me beyond reason.
Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
Yeah all I'm hearing is "It's like Gold Shows, but more freeloader friendly!"
Probably exciting for customers, not so much for us. You'd probably have better luck pitching this directly to token based sites like chaturbate and MFC.
Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
"And all the freeloaders get to see everything that happened, as on Chaturbate, but it is not what really matters."
That actually matters a LOT to many of us, and we choose not to work on tipping sites.
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Good luck, that's all I can say.
Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question Related To Camming on Chaturbate / MyFreecams
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space_cowgirl
"And all the freeloaders get to see everything that happened, as on Chaturbate, but it is not what really matters."
That actually matters a LOT to many of us, and we choose not to work on tipping sites.
Seriously, that is why I refused to do public shows. Yeah I'll get more of a buzz... but my cunt is fucking gold. You have to spend money to see it.