Re: Couple New to Camming
Well, I faill to see why you didn't read about 20 to 40 different threads on this site before asking any question.
Re: Couple New to Camming
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Are you kidding me, you don't read or watch the news/
Re: Couple New to Camming
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Originally Posted by
BiancaAndWill
We initially signed up for Chaturbate...got banned without explanation within a few hours...After sending an email and getting no response, we created another account and submitted for IDs etc... CB approved the IDs and we were ready to go.
We went live and broadcasted for maybe 20 minutes and then got a warning from CB saying that all models must have submitted IDs. We already submitted and were approved so I jumped over to the verification page and they reversed the approval and now we were no longer allowed to take tokens. So I submitted an ID again...rejected it within 20 minutes. No idea why as the images are both very clear and my hubby and I are both late 20s. The only reason that I can think of is that they dont approve Philippine passports as ID. (We are streaming from Florida BTW)
I suspect a lot of sites would be wary of signing on someone with Philippine passports, because of the law Sam linked above. If you two are serious about getting into camming I'd suggest that getting some US/Florida state identity docs should be a fairly high priority, in that doing so will broaden your range of camming options
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Originally Posted by
BiancaAndWill
We also want to get into doing Skype sessions for customers. But we have two questions regarding the Skype sessions.
1. What is the best way to market for Skype sessions?
2. What payment method is best for collecting payments for Skype sessions?
1) social media and paid advertising are two popular methods
2) you have a few options here:
a) obtain a merchant account with an IPSP (internet payment service provider). Expect to pay $1000 per year in Visa/Mastercard fees and about 15% in processing costs (so you get 85%). The most popular IPSPs are CCBill and Epoch
Pros:
- can accept clients from all over the world
- 85% payouts
Cons:
- expensive yearly Visa/Mastercard fees
- you need your own domain and hosting upon which to install the payment script
b) Giftrocket
Pros:
- client pays the processing fees
Cons:
- can only be used by US-based clients
- payments from clients take a few days to clear so it's not great for immediate cam shows, video sales, etc. Only once the payment clears are you assured that you will actually receive the funds sent
c) Bitcoin
Pros:
- no processing fees
- anonymous
Cons:
- many clients are unfamiliar with bitcoin and won't use it
- even those who support crypto-currencies tend to save them (hoping for increases in valuation) rather than spend them
d) Independent Listing Sites
Pros:
- no need to install a payment script on your own domain
- no yearly Visa/Mastercard fees
- if you don't have your own pre-existing client base, using listing sites broadens your access to potential clients
Cons:
- payouts are often lower than offered by IPSP accounts
Most listing sites payout out 75%-80%. My site (see signature) pays out 80% which rises to 85% of the total amount when earnings reach $100 per week of more
However you decide to proceed, camming will be a lot easier if you and your husband obtain some form of ID that ties you to the US (drivers license, state ID, citizenship/immigration document)
welcome to sw :)
Re: Couple New to Camming
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Originally Posted by
loveshooks
I suspect a lot of sites would be wary of signing on someone with Philippine passports, because of the law Sam linked above. If you two are serious about getting into camming I'd suggest that getting some US/Florida state identity docs should be a fairly high priority, in that doing so will broaden your range of camming options
1) social media and paid advertising are two popular methods
2) you have a few options here:
a) obtain a merchant account with an IPSP (internet payment service provider). Expect to pay $1000 per year in Visa/Mastercard fees and about 15% in processing costs (so you get 85%). The most popular IPSPs are CCBill and Epoch
Pros:
- can accept clients from all over the world
- 85% payouts
Cons:
- expensive yearly Visa/Mastercard fees
- you need your own domain and hosting upon which to install the payment script
b) Giftrocket
Pros:
- client pays the processing fees
Cons:
- can only be used by US-based clients
- payments from clients take a few days to clear so it's not great for immediate cam shows, video sales, etc. Only once the payment clears are you assured that you will actually receive the funds sent
c) Bitcoin
Pros:
- no processing fees
- anonymous
Cons:
- many clients are unfamiliar with bitcoin and won't use it
- even those who support crypto-currencies tend to save them (hoping for increases in valuation) rather than spend them
d) Independent Listing Sites
Pros:
- no need to install a payment script on your own domain
- no yearly Visa/Mastercard fees
- if you don't have your own pre-existing client base, using listing sites broadens your access to potential clients
Cons:
- payouts are often lower than offered by IPSP accounts
Most listing sites payout out 75%-80%. My site (see signature) pays out 80% which rises to 85% of the total amount when earnings reach $100 per week of more
However you decide to proceed, camming will be a lot easier if you and your husband obtain some form of ID that ties you to the US (drivers license, state ID, citizenship/immigration document)
welcome to sw :)
Let's be real, they are not ready for that level.
AT this point, they dont know how hard it is to hustle & make money on cam. They still think we will fuck, be kinky, live out all our fantasies & men will hand over lots of money to see it. They have NO CLUE it isn't about living our their fantasy but performing out the customers fantasy to jack off too. They have no idea the customers can give a FUCK about what they want & only will want to fuck her & do it for free.
It will be one hard lesson to learn for both of them.
To the couple, I know you don't plan on streamate so you can find clients you can take off site & make All the money off of? Thinking how stupid the rest of us are for NOT doing that ourselves. Go ahead, do it. See how fast Streamate fires you & never let's you cam again. Now, go try it with other cam companies & see how fast you fired off of them.
To be able to get ALL the money to turn a profit you need traffic, you need lots and lots of traffic. I know, why not just sign up to cam sites & do it from there, they paid good money for that traffic, so they can profit. They are NOT going to cut out of their end.
You don't know what it takes to get a client on a cam site to spend money. Much less go onto the web, build a site, build traffic, find clients who will spend money to see you fuck in general. Not that easy, you will be scammed. You might land a few, get them to spend big money, then a month to 6 months later be hit with CHARGEBACKS! Dropped by the billing company.
READ READ READ everything on this site. Many just like you get burned by trying to operate that way. The custies out there are way smarter than you at this point, they LOVE newbies to con, they LOVE newbies who claim only to be into it for the fun.
I am NOT being mean, you will NOT make money, You will be ripped off many times over cause how you are approaching this is the wrong way. Read everything on this site to figure out why I say it is true instead of experiencing it for yourself.
Sam
Re: Couple New to Camming
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Originally Posted by
Sam38g
Let's be real, they are not ready for that level.
AT this point, they dont know how hard it is to hustle & make money on cam. They still think we will fuck, be kinky, live out all our fantasies & men will hand over lots of money to see it. They have NO CLUE it isn't about living our their fantasy but performing out the customers fantasy to jack off too. They have no idea the customers can give a FUCK about what they want & only will want to fuck her & do it for free.
It will be one hard lesson to learn for both of them.
I don't know about that...for sure couples camming isn't for everyone (it sure wasn't fun for me) but some couples do really well. No names obviously but I'm thinking about a certain 'blond and fabulous' couple on sm; they bank because the understand that camming is about entertainment rather than just a series of sex acts.
Everyone was new once, most peeps started camming not knowing what to expect. That's part of the job, and navigating through the unknowns, creating and testing out different hustles to see which ones are most effective is what separates those that bank from those who don't. Hell, if prior knowledge of the job was a determining factor in success I'd be broke or doing something else. I bank not because of my insight into the industry prior to joining it, but because of what I learned while doing it. That's an ongoing process, for most peeps I imagine.
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Originally Posted by
Sam38g
To the couple, I know you don't plan on streamate so you can find clients you can take off site & make All the money off of? Thinking how stupid the rest of us are for NOT doing that ourselves. Go ahead, do it. See how fast Streamate fires you & never let's you cam again. Now, go try it with other cam companies & see how fast you fired off of them.
I'm with you there, stealing traffic from network sites is not an effective strategy for long term success as an independent cammer
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Originally Posted by
Sam38g
You don't know what it takes to get a client on a cam site to spend money. Much less go onto the web, build a site, build traffic, find clients who will spend money to see you fuck in general. Not that easy, you will be scammed. You might land a few, get them to spend big money, then a month to 6 months later be hit with CHARGEBACKS! Dropped by the billing company.
for a variety of reasons independent camming is actually very low risk when it comes to cb's. the reasons why include:
1) having access to the information (name, IP, etc) that is necessary to determine the level of risk attached to any given payment. One of the things I do is teach indy chicas how to read booking codes and spot potential red flags, if one pays attention to those it's pretty easy to avoid getting ripped off
2) most processors share a blacklist, which means a loser who does a cb on one system is barred from using any other within that blacklist network
3) payments are cleared prior to the service being provided (unlike some sites that only process the payments at a later date-I'm looking at you IMLive). That means declined cards/payments are declined up front, before the service is provided. A lot of so-called cb's on cam sites are actually payment declines.
4) no big incentive to use stolen cards to gain access to material to pirate. Unlike porn membership sites where guys sign up with stolen cards, rip the membership area and then upload the content to file lockers for profit, no one needs to pay for a cam show in order to record a sex act. They can go to a token site and get that ish for free.
do cb's happen? sometimes. In 5 years I've had 4, totaling less than $200 in total. With two of my own merchant accounts over the past three years I've processed hundreds of thousands in payments with zero chargebacks. I wouldn't term that high risk.
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Originally Posted by
Sam38g
READ READ READ everything on this site.
agreed. OP, def spend some time (a lot of time) reading everything you can find about different sites to try, different styles of camming, setting boundaries, treating your business like a business. And get those US dox :)
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^^^^ When I talk about chargebacks, I mean doing all the payment processing themselves once they take the client off of a cam site.
$1000 to do visa is not affordable for most people starting out in camming. Nor building out a site to get billing & all that takes, much less the traffic to make money off of it. The amount of emails, convos to get a client to actually spend money for an independent, to learn how to deal with the freeloaders, scam artist & time wasters is considerable.
We all have seen many girls/couples go the paypal route & seen the results there. When guys on cam ask girls/couple to do skype they more than likely be pushing for them to take paypal.
Come on, LoveHooks we know they will go the paypal route. :) Was trying to warn them before they did.
Smooches,
Sam
Of course, they have to learn as they go along. We all had to do it.
Re: Couple New to Camming
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Originally Posted by
Sam38g
When I talk about chargebacks, I mean doing all the payment processing themselves once they take the client off of a cam site.
that's exactly what I was referring to as well. handling one's own processing either through a merchant account or a listing site is the best way to avoid cb's, compared to sites that handling processing and don't provide cb coverage. sites that do cover cb's work the cost of that coverage into their payouts.
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Originally Posted by
Sam38g
$1000 to do visa is not affordable for most people starting out in camming. Nor building out a site to get billing & all that takes, much less the traffic to make money off of it. The amount of emails, convos to get a client to actually spend money for an independent, to learn how to deal with the freeloaders, scam artist & time wasters is considerable.
for sure the start-up costs associated with creating a merchant account are steep, which is why I listed all the other options available in my initial post
as for dealing with time wasters, that's camming. learning to ignore them and focusing on the guys who do want to pay isn't difficult, it's just different variations on the strategies used by chicas who work the free chat sites. as for working hard, that's camming-no matter what sites/styles of camming one uses.
I can't speak for everyone but I can tell you that I've never found interacting with potential clients labor-intensive; they either want to book or they don't. for sure many aspects of indy camming are labor-intensive, I've just never found dealing with potential clients to be one of those aspects
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Originally Posted by
Sam38g
We all have seen many girls/couples go the paypal route & seen the results there. When guys on cam ask girls/couple to do skype they more than likely be pushing for them to take paypal.
Come on, LoveHooks we know they will go the paypal route. :) Was trying to warn them before they did.
warning against paypal is always a good thing, I'm just not sure where you got the idea that they were planning to go that route? the OP posted here asking about payment processing methods for skype shows, if they were planning on using paypal I doubt that question would have come up.
this whole thread is just weird to me. To me all the questions posed in the OP were totally legit, I'm not sure how that turned into ascribing all sorts of assumptions about their intelligence, work ethic and ability to organize their work in a manner that conforms with limitations imposed on adult service processing (paypal).
getting into camming can be rocky, there are ups and downs, a tremendous amount of work is required to succeed long term. all I'm saying is that there are ways to convey that without berating peeps about choices/decisions they haven't even made.
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You are right. I do assume many negative things. Seen way to many like this in real life & dealt with them. They could be the total opposite of all the people I've dealt with, it could happen.
Sam