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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
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Originally Posted by
TiffTiff
No I did not. I already clarified what a whore is, and I have nothing against prostitutes/escorts outside my club. If you want to get technical, we are all doing illegal things in lap dance rooms by exchanging money knowing a man is going to sexually grope us or we are grinding on their dick while they hope to ejaculate in their pants.
That being said, I no longer have to give air dances b/c my state & LBC has relaxed considerably over the years. I do have lines that I won't cross. I'm not on a high horse, as someone suggested, but I am married, and tit licking and fingering is cheating in my book. I don't care to witness it, but I'm way more OK with that than I am with the girls openly giving HJ/BJ and wiping semen on the curtains/chairs/floors.
You said, exactly, that clean dancers don't let customers "grab their tits." Insinuating that girls who do allow touching are dirty and doing extras. Right there on page 4. Contact levels vary greatly throughout the world and this is an international forum. Many dancers here don't work in air dance clubs and contact is not only legal, but expected.
You've used a lot of excuses for your judgmental attitude, on this thread and others that I can recall. Being married, being a mom, being an older dancer doesn't put you in any kind of position of superiority. While it's great that you've defined your own personal boundaries, it's not universal and denigrating others for not sharing your personal opinion is incredibly shitty and uncalled for.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
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Originally Posted by
kirakonstantin
You've used a lot of excuses for your judgmental attitude, on this thread and others that I can recall. Being married, being a mom, being an older dancer doesn't put you in any kind of position of superiority. While it's great that you've defined your own personal boundaries, it's not universal and denigrating others for not sharing your personal opinion is incredibly shitty and uncalled for.
I'm not trying to defend TiffTiff in any way, I don't appreciate being indirectly called a dirty dancer, but I have noticed that most older dancers fall on one of the extreme ends of the spectrum: they're either staunchly against ANY contact (because they were dancing 20 years ago when they could make $1000 on stage), or else they're full-blown dick suckers. I think she just falls on that one end and is not willing to adjust with the times :/
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
That was the butt plug thread you're referring to. I'm not opening up that disgusting can of worms again. I do not think I'm better than anyone else in this industry. I just can't tolerate the SEX in my clubs. Its not a brothel I work at. Its a strip club where I'm expected to dance for money. Thanks to management turning a blind eye, and the other dancers greed or lack of standards, I am now expected to behave like an escort in my clubs. Groping is the norm. Extras are the norm. I don't give a shit if a guy cums in his pants while I'm on his lap, but I'm not touching his dick, I'm not kissing and he's not licking or fingering me. Sorry you don't like that I have boundaries, but I'm not changing. Its my opinion that extras are the same as prostitution. Its my opinion that it doesn't belong in strip clubs and I'm entitled to my opinions just as everyone else is.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
Actually, it's not. It was the thread you posted about the drunk customer, where you used being a mother to claim moral high ground and shame other dancers who aren't willing to babysit customers.
What you're not understanding is that, while it's perfectly fine, commendable even, that you have standards, that doesn't mean that your way is the only right way and that it applies across the board. Nor does it give you the right to slut shame other dancers who have different standards and are operating legally for their area. PA is a hell of a lot different than AZ, which are both a hell of a lot different than WA state. Portland, a mere two hours away, is completely different than Seattle.
Nobody's upset that you have your boundaries. I'm pissed off that you think you can call other dancers whores if they have a different set of standards.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
You set your own standards in this world, no one else can touch you if your boundaries are really that solid. I used to bank in an extras club and Iwouldn;t even let the guys touch my hips - I was consistently one of the top 5 earners every night in a brothel. No one has any power over you. If you think they do, that's your poor attitude.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
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Originally Posted by
Selina M
they're either staunchly against ANY contact (because they were dancing 20 years ago when they could make $1000 on stage), or else they're full-blown dick suckers. I think she just falls on that one end and is not willing to adjust with the times :/
Really? I haven't noticed this at all. Maybe it's just because I'm in a very high contact club, but we have girls all over the spectrum. Some don't allow much touching, some just allow tits, some will show off their pussy (even though it's a topless club), some give hand jobs, some give blowjobs, and a few of them will literally fuck people in the back. I've had a few customers ask me to "find them that girl who gives blowjobs" lol because they forget who it is (good luck with that dude). But there are enough clean customers for me to still get my money doing low contact or just tits (which is legal here).
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
I was saying older dancers tend to be like that IME. I agree with you otherwise though, the girls in their 20s and 30s are all over the board.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
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Originally Posted by
Christina2013
Here's the secret: (But your not going to want to do it)
1. Talk dirty
2. Be super aggressive. Do not take no for an answer.
3. Move fast on the floor. Move from guy to guy quick. ( don't go to the bathroom thinking that you can get that guy in one more song. don't worry about your smoke breaks or what your hair and makeup looks like. true hustlers are not wasting time worrying about their next cigarette or calling her boyfriend right now to argue with them. a real hustler is always eyeing there next victim and as always plotting a new way to get into VIP or champagne!
4. Ask for vip champagne room upfront. Do not ask for a dance.
5. Be flirty and joke with them. Be personable.
I personally am super aggressive and I talk about champagne room and vip first. I push and push it.
Obviously if a girl is in champagne all night she is pushing it. It is very rare a guy walks in and is going to ask me for champagne. (It has happened tho)
I think some people are just going to always be better at closing the big sale. You know the $500 champagne room.
I can make money in any type of club as long as there is a real true VIP or champagne room. what I mean by real and true is not a VIP where you pay $20 to get in and $20 a song. I'm talking about big money. Chunk money where you charge a guy five, six, seven hundred dollars for an hour that's what I'm good at.
Any girl can get a lapdance. How many can regularly close the big deals? That's the trick.
Quoting because this is the best hustle advice I've seen in a long, long time.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
^^ This is generally pretty solid advice, especially the stuff about not worrying about calling boyfriends and being present and ready to hustle. I have my perch where, if I don't have my next target lined up, I'm watching behavior and deciding who to go after next.
Being super aggressive doesn't work for me personally. I already intimidate the living hell out of most SC customers and adding to that just puts them off. Instead, I've tailored my hustle to disarm that and to bond with them quickly.
We don't have blocks of time, but I've started selling them anyway, because it's easier and hides the VIP cover. The VIP host knows that if I tell him that we'll be going back for X time, that I'll pay the VIP cover afterward.
Dirty talk backfires in my club. Some customers will expect to get that and more, either in VIP or OTC. I have a line that works 95% of the time and, if it doesn't lead into a VIP, I'll get 2+ floor dances at least.
Every club is different but almost every club is going to be workable for a good hustler who can think on her feet and adapt to the environment. As long as there are asses in seats, I can drain wallets.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
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Originally Posted by
Christina2013
Here's the secret: (But your not going to want to do it)
1. Talk dirty
2. Be super aggressive. Do not take no for an answer.
3. Move fast on the floor. Move from guy to guy quick. ( don't go to the bathroom thinking that you can get that guy in one more song. don't worry about your smoke breaks or what your hair and makeup looks like. true hustlers are not wasting time worrying about their next cigarette or calling her boyfriend right now to argue with them. a real hustler is always eyeing there next victim and as always plotting a new way to get into VIP or champagne!
4. Ask for vip champagne room upfront. Do not ask for a dance.
5. Be flirty and joke with them. Be personable.
I personally am super aggressive and I talk about champagne room and vip first. I push and push it.
Obviously if a girl is in champagne all night she is pushing it. It is very rare a guy walks in and is going to ask me for champagne. (It has happened tho)
I think some people are just going to always be better at closing the big sale. You know the $500 champagne room.
I can make money in any type of club as long as there is a real true VIP or champagne room. what I mean by real and true is not a VIP where you pay $20 to get in and $20 a song. I'm talking about big money. Chunk money where you charge a guy five, six, seven hundred dollars for an hour that's what I'm good at.
Any girl can get a lapdance. How many can regularly close the big deals? That's the trick.
This is the best advice eVAR! Can't say enough good things about asking for VIP/CR FIRST! I started doing this with just about every customer and even if they don't do a room they WILL get a dance or two. I start with the highest first ($400 CR) and go down the list. Suddenly a $150 1/2 hour doesn't seem like such a bad deal! A lot of them will do a room just because you asked. Don't assume because they look poor they won't spend the money. I did a 1/2 hour today with this kid who worked at a grocery store. Lol! 99% of the time they will spend money on you. Can't believe it took me this long to figure this out.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
I'm not slut shaming anyone. I don't like extras. I don't like blatant SEX going on in the lap dance room. It is illegal in all of the 50 states. Sex in exchange for money is prostitution. I don't think it belongs in a strip club. It belongs in a brothel or escort service. I'd even settle for it being at a massage parlor. I don't come to work to see guys dicks getting sucked or sit in globs of cum in a dark room. I know "extras" are the norm, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I draw the line at tit groping. You might draw the line at getting finger banged. Fine. To each their own. But don't fuck and suck in my club or I will call you a whore. Start an escort service or work at a massage parlor. Dick sucking does NOT belong in the club.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
I have a friend who is ALWAYS a top earner... She's pretty, but rarely the "prettiest " in the club & she isn't overly friendly to anyone except actual friends. I can tell you that she carries herself like a queen. She keeps her focus on making $$$. As soon as someone lays $ down on the rack, she sweeps it off onto the floor nonchalantly and they immediately lay more down. Men seem to be entranced by her p*ssy lol! She is confident, knows her worth and isn't afraid to go after it. She doesn't do "extras" she just keeps focused on the $$$ and she makes it! She's been the very top earner and Dancer of the month many times working less hours than other girls. She's good. I'm happy for her. She's got "it."
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
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Originally Posted by
Christina2013
Here's the secret: (But your not going to want to do it)
1. Talk dirty
2. Be super aggressive. Do not take no for an answer.
3. Move fast on the floor. Move from guy to guy quick. ( don't go to the bathroom thinking that you can get that guy in one more song. don't worry about your smoke breaks or what your hair and makeup looks like. true hustlers are not wasting time worrying about their next cigarette or calling her boyfriend right now to argue with them. a real hustler is always eyeing there next victim and as always plotting a new way to get into VIP or champagne!
4. Ask for vip champagne room upfront. Do not ask for a dance.
5. Be flirty and joke with them. Be personable.
I personally am super aggressive and I talk about champagne room and vip first. I push and push it.
Obviously if a girl is in champagne all night she is pushing it. It is very rare a guy walks in and is going to ask me for champagne. (It has happened tho)
I think some people are just going to always be better at closing the big sale. You know the $500 champagne room.
I can make money in any type of club as long as there is a real true VIP or champagne room. what I mean by real and true is not a VIP where you pay $20 to get in and $20 a song. I'm talking about big money. Chunk money where you charge a guy five, six, seven hundred dollars for an hour that's what I'm good at.
Any girl can get a lapdance. How many can regularly close the big deals? That's the trick.
You DAMN RIGHT! Honestly this is the best piece of advice IN ANY BUSINESS. It's a numbers game folks! Sales is all about pushing people through the pipeline and CLOSING. You close by simply asking. I struggle with this too from time to time but here's the formula 1) approach and contact 2) pitch -- sell the benefits of VIP 3) close the deal -- don't ask. JUST TELL THEM we are going to VIP. If you do this quickly you can save time. It's no different than sales in the real world.
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Originally Posted by
DeepThoughts
I am not a stripper, Im a pornstar and a cam girl but I can tell you how these women bank. Its a very simple formula that has nothing to do with make-up, hair or what your wearing. Its all about a mans EGO.
Men are simple creatures. Just little boys in big boy clothes who dont want to be the last to get picked for a baseball game with their peers. They want to be first! (Freud is the king of how what we want controls our behaviors if you want to understand this deeper go check out his work.) That girl who is banking is stroking egos more often then she is stroking cocks! She makes a man feel like she recognizes how great he knows he is and his wallet just pops open. If it doesnt pop open all she has to do is take a jab at his ego (To cheap to buy a lady a drink?) and he will immediately give her the cash to feel back on top.
I have a rule, I try to never answer the question "How are you?" When a guy asks me this I ignore it and talk about him. It takes some practice but once you get started its easy to master! Things that work are "Your a trendy dresser arent you?" "Did you Change your hair?" "Didnt I see you here last night?"
I love to ask questions cause that keeps them talking to you. My questions are normally aimed at cam customers and guys in porn so I dont know what I would say if I was a stripper (the examples above are really cheesy for this reason) but I do know that formula works!
When you get yourself to a 9 or a 10 do it cause it makes you feel good and sexy dont ever do it cause you think it will draw a man to you. Men are drawn to everything that might potentially have sex with them, it doesnt mean they will try to get it. You have to get to their Ego!
Your attitude should be "I'm the hottest thing in this club and this guy deserves me" with every single man you talk to. You can leave that at the door when your shift is over and pick it back up the next day if you like but thats the secret to getting a guy to spend on you!
this! this is gold!
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
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Originally Posted by
TiffTiff
I'm not slut shaming anyone. I don't like extras. I don't like blatant SEX going on in the lap dance room. It is illegal in all of the 50 states. Sex in exchange for money is prostitution. I don't think it belongs in a strip club. It belongs in a brothel or escort service. I'd even settle for it being at a massage parlor. I don't come to work to see guys dicks getting sucked or sit in globs of cum in a dark room. I know "extras" are the norm, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I draw the line at tit groping. You might draw the line at getting finger banged. Fine. To each their own. But don't fuck and suck in my club or I will call you a whore. Start an escort service or work at a massage parlor. Dick sucking does NOT belong in the club.
Prostitution is not illegal in all 50 states. Prostitution is legal in parts of NV and last I checked RI as long as it was conducted indoors. I believe this law was overturned but then repealed although I could be wrong as I am not an attorney just yet. I agree with you that dick sucking does not belong in the club; however the fact that one dancer does not do extras and another feels the need or is ok with doing them does not make her a better stripper and or person. No woman should ever call another woman a whore. Why?? Because if we do it to each other it makes it ok for men and society as a whole do it. If women would spend half the time lifting each other up as we do tearing each other down we would likely see an end, or certainly a decrease in (no particular order): wage disparity, un reported sexual assault for fear of victimization *esp. on college campuses and in the military, domestic violence and gender discrimination. So- go ahead and call another woman a whore But remember every time you do that, a co-ed was just raped and is scared to go to campus police because she fears being called the same thing.
Rant likely not over...
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
Gendered insults are fucking gross, and for some reason more socially acceptable than racial slurs, where both are absolutely rank. I don't get it.
Ok on topic! I was just talking to my bf about a girl he got a few dances with before he met me, and wth it was about her...I'm not "hating" but the fact remains that her teeth were in need of a few thousand dollars in dental care and she looked " a lot older". But she always made good money, even on day shift. And this was a high end club full of very hot young strippers. His reply was just " idk, she puts you In a trance, she's a money vacuum" after prying a bit more he said she very subtly moves her body closer, touches your arm/shoulder/neck etc lightly, does intense eye contact and then looks down, talks in this breathy voice and gives compliments that guys genuinly believe..idk it was interesting because she was a perfect example
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
^ Thats rad! I'm totally trying that when I return to work in a new club somewhere.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
I worked with "THAT girl" at a club years ago, for several months. The first night I went in, I saw her roll up with no makeup, hair up and in a hoodie. Now, none of us look that glamorous in sweats, but she looked so plain that I legitimately thought she was the cleaning lady!
Good thing I didn't mention it to anyone. It quickly turned out that a couple of hours with hair and makeup transformed her, and she was in fact the club's most consistent high earner. She did it by being incredibly entertaining, fun, and energetic. She used her times on stage to build rapport with one guy she would pick out of the crowd, and she didn't care if he was initially shy or reluctant to engage with her. She put on a big show directed at him, and he would have needed huge balls to ignore her or walk away in our small club - besides which, she was providing him with the over-the-top experience that really makes your night and gives you a good story to tell afterward. If she wasn't on stage, she hustled each guy in the same way - like she was the star and stopping by to give them an exclusive invite to backstage. When she was in VIP (not private and we could all see each other), she was still laughing and entertaining and drawing him out even as she danced.
And though I said earlier that hair and makeup "transformed" her, what they really did was make her look like a decent stripper. She was thin and toned but didn't have the longest legs or the best ass, her face was just average, her boobs were big but they were the old-school hard salines, and she was definitely on the other side of 40. Her competitors were usually way younger/prettier/etc - but customers took her to VIP because she pushed for it and promised fun and excitement. She definitely put a cork in my baby stripper assumptions that the hottest girls always make the most money, and taught me that stripping is a SALES job!
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
She props is meeting with them outside the club or something when ever a girl is banking and I get all upset and delouse more times than not I find out that girl is "cheating" as I call it and doing something extra.
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Ok so this INCREDIBLY frustrates me. Without sounding egotistical, I get told I'm 'too gorgeous' for a private dance. I'm too charming, too polite, and that I 'don't belong there and should be a model'. I explain, I AM a model, but my modelling work doesn't pay even CLOSE to what stripping pays. They don't get it. My friend says they are likely intimidated. It's not like I'm a Victoria Secret model, and with the hot guys, it works... they happily pay for a dance, and they have a great time. But the less attractive guys (which IMO, 80% of guys are), they tell me I'm the most gorgeous girl there but then they get all shy and oh maybe later when I try to close my sale. It's incredibly frustrating because it's not like I'm saying blah blah I'm hot why am I not getting dances, because I DO get dances (I made $630 last night, although the club takes 50 percent so I do make bank) however compared to some of the other girls in there, I don't make bank. I'm slim and athletic with 34E fake boobs and a squat butt so I'm a barbie stripper and I do have a magnetic personality, cos guys pay money literally to just sit with me. But these girls making bank at my club are skinny, look like they're on meth and are VERY aggressive and almost bully the guys, as someone else mentioned. Sooooo frustrating! But yet a girl like this who essentially bullies the men make more than a good looking girl who is friendly, funny, chatty and flirty with a genuine interest. Don't get it :/
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
^^^ Do you show through words and actions that you feel that these customers are sexy and desirable? The older and grosser they are, the more reassurance they need that you truly want to jump their bones. They don't want to go to the lapdance room feeling like a foolish old guy who isn't good enough for the model on his lap. They want to go there thinking, "Gosh, it's TRUE that young women love older men!" as you make them feel more wanted than they have in years. If you are super hot, you unfortunately need to put in more work to make that believable. Eye contact (eye fucking) works best, so does leaning into and subtly enjoying their touch, even if you guys are just holding hands at his table. No matter who they are, they want to be able to imagine you having sex with them with genuine desire (I know you're just offering lapdances, but their fantasies will go well beyond that).
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
Piggybacking off of tigresses: ^ I always ask them their age or guess their age at least 5 years below what I actually think it is. And then I comment that I love older men, that I won't date anyone below 30-35 whatever is closest to their age. You have to make them feel genuinely wanted.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
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Originally Posted by
arielbriel
Piggybacking off of tigresses: ^ I always ask them their age or guess their age at least 5 years below what I actually think it is. And then I comment that I love older men, that I won't date anyone below 30-35 whatever is closest to their age. You have to make them feel genuinely wanted.
Thanks for the advice girls! Yeah I totally do this. The whole 'I love older men' thing, and they seem to buy in to it. Like they end up asking me out and stuff. Which then provides the problem of they don't want dances, they want to dance me out. Ughhh!
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
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Originally Posted by
sexyrobin11
Ok, so you get to work, spend 30 minutes putting the final touches on your face and hair you already perfected at home and get into a gorgeous outfit for the night. You look like 9 or a 10 that night. And when you get on the floor, there is a plain looking girl, lets say she is a theoretical 5, no makeup, no figure, bad posture, annoying voice, whack outfit, and a fake ass mop on her head. You think to yourself, "what in the world?" and just move along and start talking and flirting with customers. You are nice, the customers like you, they tell you that you are gorgeous. But when you try to close dances, you are being turned down left and right. You look over and realize it's the 5th time you've seen that raggedy looking thing paying for multiple dances. What gives? This chick is turning them out like it's nothing making hundreds and you haven't even broken a ten yet. So, you look around and scan the other girls to see how they are doing and you conclude that "wig" is the only one making money. We have all seen it, but no one knows why it happens.
My theories range from: men think they can get her, they like being the one that's more attractive in an exchange for once, they think she is really interested in them, they think she will do extras, she puts off such a weird vibe that's it's a turn on. Of the guys that go to clubs, many of them are really weird so maybe they are attracted to that wacky vibe.
What do you guys think?
YES & lmaooo ... I have definitely worked with a few & it leaves me curious.
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Re: Everyone has seen it, why does it happen- THAT girl making bank
So there's this girl at my club, who is always making 3x the amount that everyone else is making. If everyone else made $400, she made $1200. Consistently. From talking to other girls at the club, it seems like she's just an extremely good hustler. She's much more aggressive than most of the girls and really pushes the VIP.
I really want to try being more like this because it seems to work. How does someone with a sort of nice girl/college student image hustle this way?