Please Help Us Build the Ultimate CAM Service
Please Help Us Build the Ultimate CAM Service
Our focus is to develop a new Cam platform with Comprehensive Business Suite serving all the potential needs that will help you to promote YOUR business and utilizing all the new and upcoming technologies. We do not want to compete with your favorite CAM site. We want to offer you your very own business store front loaded with all the features that you use to make money and promote your business 24/7.
We would LOVE to hear from you, to hear your feedback and implement all the features that you think should be part of the new platform based on your professional everyday experience.
EXAMPLES:
- Sophisticated system to schedule appointments
- Sell videos
- Sell pictures
- Sell miscellanies merchandise
- Sell novels
- Customer Referral system
- Others
Please help us identify features that will make our platform part of your everyday life.
We want to build platform that will be fair for everybody and reward everyone for their work. If model brings the customer and does the show she should keep majority of the earnings. And when the same customer spends money with other models she should get her share as well for bringing the customer to the site even without doing any show. This way you can build multiple streams of income.
WHAT IS THERE FOR YOU?
We will reward the models that will collaborate with us closely by:
- You will get special perks on the new platform
- Exclusive pay out terms (Giving you a life time split not matched by other competitors)
Plus
- New platform loaded with all the latest features
- Security and privacy
- Multiple ways to generate income and excellent payout programs
- Exposure to our partners in fine art production
- Own virtual wallet solution (May simplify money distribution or payment processing for many models)
ABOUT US:
We are experienced IT firm with history in adult entertainment projects. Our vision is to create the top innovative entertainment platform with the best advanced technology and top customer support.
We look forward to hear all the great ideas and suggestions! You can also reach us at [email protected]
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#1 thing that will impress us all: rival Streamate's traffic and maybe we'll be interested. Lots of new sites pop up but never get off the ground or they don't pay us because they end up tanking.
You need deep pockets to run a cam site and essentially for us too, because we aren't going to work at a dead zone when we have cam sites where we make $50+/hr. This is our job, so we go to sites that pay.
You could payout 99% but if we can't make money off a site we won't bother. I don't care how many other fancy little perks or doo-dads the site has, that's the truth. Getting off the ground and keeping paying traffic is your biggest hurdle.
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I know this is all rude. But it's frustrating and annoying to see new cam sites popping up and promising huge things like their fancy site is going to shit out diamonds. Cam sites aren't easy to run or there'd be more than a handful we all work on. You could be seeing $$$$ signs over this but if you expect a profit I hope you're a bunch of ballers or have a rich Daddy. Just don't jump into things - because I feel the majority do - because you could end up broke as shit trying to make a boat with a hole in the bottom float. Doesn't happen very often.
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Well this is silly. What information does this poll give them?
Might be more useful to poll us on WHICH features we feel need improving, and rather than what split we want, what hourly rate we expect to earn.
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There was a post like this awhile back. I'm sure if op searches for it they'll get the answers they need. Nothing has changed since then. I'm not good with links and what not.
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Fine art production? So we'll be working with the Pollock's and Picasso's of porn? lol.
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Hayden #youdidthatbb!
Not really much to add. Too many sites "asking" what they think we want when they should be scoping out their competitors and trying to figure out (on their own) how they can improve their bottom line AKA MONEYBABY! Not to burst your bubble OP but we're over seeing make-a-cam-wish foundation sites popping up asking us what we want. We just want paying traffic, bells a whistles can be added later once the money is flowing steady. Unless you have a couple of million dollars sitting around I wouldn't bother.
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Exclusive pay out terms (Giving you a life time split not matched by other competitors)
Do you mean that you will pay out at a higher percentage than other sites? xPeeps was a great cam site and I was number 1 for a LONG time there, they paid out 80% (IIRC) and I made a very nice chunk of money, however less than a year later it went out of business. I think they bit off more than they could chew by paying out so much so early.
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Exposure to our partners in fine art production
What?
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We are experienced IT firm with history in adult entertainment projects
Can you provide a small portfolio? Give us examples?
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Own virtual wallet solution
I am reading this as something like a Payoneer card or RedPass card. What exactly do you mean? I'd rather be paid out using an established, reputable company over something that rests in your hands if the site goes under. Say for instance I load money into my PayPal account and the company goes under and they take all of my money with them, I'm going to be pissed. It's going to be a LONG drawn out process trying to get that money back and I probably never will. (PayPal is just an example)
You don't have a domain already secured? I have a domain email address and I don't use my website anymore. I think it looks better when we can see that there's a website being established and makes it look like you're actually serious about this. Anyone can start a Gmail account and make it look like they are going to be moving forward with a business. If anything you could purchase the domain and have a splash page up.
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Oh yes, and how will you be driving traffic to your website? Do you expect models to bring their own customers?
Will you pay for advertising? If so, how much are you going to invest in advertisements and how do you plan on advertising?
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Are you going to give us discount cosmetics products like BongaCams and make it seem like you gave us the nectar of the Gods? Or how about being total assholes like LJ and when we reach 50% payout you start reducing traffic to our rooms because we are taking too much profit? Oh wait, and don't forget to tack on a really complicated scoring system like MFC that penalizes you for camming too long without tips.
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Hi! Thanks for the comments. Let me please clarify some of the following points.
“#1 thing that will impress us all: rival Streamate's traffic and maybe we'll be interested. Lots of new sites pop up but never get off the ground or they don't pay us because they end up tanking.”
“You could payout 99% but if we can't make money off a site we won't bother.”
As mentioned from the start, we do not intend to compete with the big players, it is not cost effective (not that it is not impossible).
But anyway, leading top models operate own sites to communicate with their fans, but they are performers not IT project managers, most of their sites are inferior with a limited toolset. So basically we want to be the one to build the platform on our end, which will allow the Cam Models to easily set up her very own CAM site, and it will be on the same platform with the sites of other models. This will allow the Cam models to generate income from her own shows or generating traffic for other models. This site is operated alongside your favorite CAM Site and could be arranged by appointment that only offers special shows and services for premium rate.
I want to reiterate that we are not offering some kind of money machine, our platform is not intended for models that would just expect to log in, do her shows and wait for customers that someone else brings for her (For hefty fee)
We are targeting models with business acumen, ones that would treat it as a business. Ones who are ambitious to promote, and bring her own clients/business, and who want to build her own fans/followers and get fair pay for the work.
Our mission is to create a platform that is sophisticated enough to offer better features and services in better quality for less money rather than if a cam model would attempt to operate her own site. Cost of running own custom site can run really high with (custom design, implementation, payment processing for adult services, fraud prevention, credit card chargebacks ,security, lost time, ….) not even mentioning the fact that you have to know and trust the right people for the job.
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“I know this is all rude”
I agree; some of the statements are pretty rude, please let’s treat each other with respect. All I am doing is trying to get professional feedback and your suggestions. Believe me, I am grateful for the feedback and experiences that any Cam models are willing to share.
3.
Please if you do not have something constructive to say, (I welcome and respect criticism but it has to be constructive) I will politely ask you not to participate in this discussion, Please find different Thread.
I look forward for future constructive comments.
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Okay so what he - I always assume these types of posts are written by men, who have signed up as a female in order to post in camming connection, someone correct me if I'm wrong - basically wants to make it where we can make our own adult websites AND/OR a website we can "log in, do her shows and wait for customers".
So basically he wants to be either Adult Centro, but pay 25% unlike Adult Centro that pays 51%.... OR he wants to be like an indy site provider such as loveshooks site.
We already have these types of services. I am sort of getting annoyed with people coming onto our forum and trying to sell us on "new" ideas. It's like everyone wants a piece of the pie in any way possible, EXCEPT actually doing the work we do. "How can we make money off all these women hustling their asses off.... oh I know, lets make ANOTHER cam site! Let's make ANOTHER "ultimate" service!" If you want to know why you get rude replies, it's because we have heard the same pitch over and over and it gets old listening to a new guy every what, month or so? try to convince us that his site is going to be the next big thing.
Also, you don't get to come here and tell us how we are allowed to reply and which threads we are allowed to post in. You came here, our forum, so you're going to have to take the replies that you get. If you want the opinion of other men trying to make the next big thing, there are other forums for that.
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We already have a great provider called ModelCentro. They are pretty much the prime example of what to do as a company that provides services to sex workers. They listen to our feedback, they fix issues promptly and with grace, they have integrity and respect for us and they give us a fair and reasonable cut for our work. Not only that, they have top notch technology, strong investment, and social marketing geniuses that work behind the scenes. No other company can really top that, but kudos and good luck to the company that decides to compete against a top echelon provider like ModelCentro.
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justsometwat
Do you mean that you will pay out at a higher percentage than other sites? xPeeps was a great cam site and I was number 1 for a LONG time there, they paid out 80% (IIRC) and I made a very nice chunk of money, however less than a year later it went out of business. I think they bit off more than they could chew by paying out so much so early.
For Models that brings own customer and does the show it should be somewhere between 70-80% but we do not have the exact number yet. We wanted to reward few models that will be helpful during the initial planning and testing phase and for those guarantee the best pay out for life.
What?
Glamour/Boudoir photography
Can you provide a small portfolio? Give us examples?
I will be more than happy give more info to any partner who is willing to collaborate closely on this project, but currently i do not see any reason to disclose it on public FORUM.
I am reading this as something like a Payoneer card or RedPass card. What exactly do you mean? I'd rather be paid out using an established, reputable company over something that rests in your hands if the site goes under. Say for instance I load money into my PayPal account and the company goes under and they take all of my money with them, I'm going to be pissed. It's going to be a LONG drawn out process trying to get that money back and I probably never will. (PayPal is just an example)
The System i referred to holds EU Electronic Money License, and is strictly supervised by Central Authority and compliant with all the regulations . Currently is being used in transportation sector in several EU countries, but could be modified strictly for adult entertainment.
You don't have a domain already secured? I have a domain email address and I don't use my website anymore. I think it looks better when we can see that there's a website being established and makes it look like you're actually serious about this. Anyone can start a Gmail account and make it look like they are going to be moving forward with a business. If anything you could purchase the domain and have a splash page up.
We did not secure any domain yet since we did dot finalize all the aspects of the business case, until then you are unable to determine the best jurisdiction to incorporate holding company and without holding company it would be unwise to start registering domains.
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Okay so you want to come here and ask for our opinions, yet you don't want to disclose on a public forum WHO you are or what your portfolio consists of? AKA - I'm nobody with nothing to show.
Seriously there cannot possibly be any other reason at all for you to NOT share with us some of your past/current work so that we might get a better feel for who it is we are giving our business opinions to. You lose all credibility you may have had, however small it may have been, with that.
Also replying in huge red text isn't going to make us "get it" any better than say, normal text.
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CamModelsInfo
“I know this is all rude”
I agree; some of the statements are pretty rude, please let’s treat each other with respect. All I am doing is trying to get professional feedback and your suggestions. Believe me, I am grateful for the feedback and experiences that any Cam models are willing to share.
if that was the case you'd be thanking Hayden for her post, not criticizing it
I've seen exact copies of your OP on two other forums and not one person on either of those took the time to respond to you. Here you're getting exactly what you asked for, it makes you look unprofessional when you react poorly to advice you don't want to hear. (I won't even get into how silly the big red letter post makes you look)
but yeah, to echo everyone else, showing up here with no portfolio of past work/accomplishments, no domain and no tangible info on how you really are generally won't be received with enthusiasm. we're experienced cam chicas here, we know that most sites that promise to reinvent the industry end of tanking. That's not to say better sites can't be built, the salient question is: why are you in a better position to succeed than those who have tried and failed?
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ON Streamate when I bring in MY OWN TRAFFIC I get paid 75%.... And I have already added them to my pay site. Between Model Centro Which I can bring in my own members for camming on it & STreamate, I am excited with 2 already established companies.
What you are screaming at us is already being done. Don't get mad at us because you didn't do your own market research to figure out what we need in a cam site pretty much already is being DONE!
Cause when a new site that ALWAYS will have tech problems or goes out of biz, makes me look like I am not stable. Then we come of badly to our hard earned traffic & devoted customers. Worked way to long & hard to get my following to throw them at a new company.
Sam
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Because responding in giant red text is a great way to get us on board.
If you are going to come in here, don't talk to us like we are dumb. I roll my eyes anytime a wanna be camsite comes in here bolding and capitalizing trigger words. It's a cheap trick. We are brilliant business savvy women. Not idiots. This is our lively hood.
So if I feel you are talking to me and my camgirl colleagues like we're idiots, yeah I'm gonna be a bitch.
I get more excited when someone comes in with a solid idea, ball already in motion. who genially understands the business, and is willing to prove their credentials.
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audritwo
Because responding in giant red text is a great way to get us on board.
If you are going to come in here, don't talk to us like we are dumb. I roll my eyes anytime a wanna be camsite comes in here bolding and capitalizing trigger words. It's a cheap trick. We are brilliant business savvy women. Not idiots. This is our lively hood.
So if I feel you are talking to me and my camgirl colleagues like we're idiots, yeah I'm gonna be a bitch.
I get more excited when someone comes in with a solid idea, ball already in motion. who genially understands the business, and is willing to prove their credentials.
I was about to respond to this, but I think everything that Audritwo said just about sums it up :)
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I was too entertained by the big red letter post earlier to read the following one thoroughly, but now that I've read it I have a few additional comments.
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CamModelsInfo
leading top models operate own sites to communicate with their fans, but they are performers not IT project managers, most of their sites are inferior with a limited toolset.
I haven't found that to be the case. What sorts of sites are you using as your basis for this?
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CamModelsInfo
So basically we want to be the one to build the platform on our end, which will allow the Cam Models to easily set up her very own CAM site, and it will be on the same platform with the sites of other models. This will allow the Cam models to generate income from her own shows or generating traffic for other models. This site is operated alongside your favorite CAM Site and could be arranged by appointment that only offers special shows and services for premium rate.
tons of models already do this, either through Model Centro or on their own. Thanks to wordpress and white labels it's not difficult to set up the sort of system you envision. I could build one in less than a day if I wanted to, many of the cam chicas here could. For those that don't want to build/operate a site themselves, what would you do to improve upon the already established options that are currently available?
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CamModelsInfo
We are targeting models with business acumen, ones that would treat it as a business. Ones who are ambitious to promote, and bring her own clients/business, and who want to build her own fans/followers and get fair pay for the work.
The thing about targeting professional models who take their business seriously is that we already know our niches inside and out. We research, compare and contrast different options, we read the fine print, we pay attention to which products/sites/services thrive and which ones fail. We don't get all excited over shiny new promises not backed up by substance.
To illustrate: when I'm not on cam I'm working on a pretty ambitious mainstream development project that involves a lot of moving parts. Right now we're comparing different options to source our ad campaign creatives so we're being pitched with presentations by different companies. Your thread is the equivalent of some random dude showing up the office without a portfolio, with no name, with no website, with nothing other than a mission statement, wanting to improve, nay revolutionize our advertising campaign. Dude, you wouldn't even get through the door.
I get that you're in the initial stages of putting together your plan, but if that's the case you should be out there researching the market, assessing how models interact with different elements of the market. Why would people take you seriously if you haven't bothered to put in the same time and effort we all have in learning how the industry operates. A question: can you name the top three current companies that provide the product you intend to create? there are quite a few out there.
A comment on the thread design; to me your poll design indicates a potential lack of experience in camming, in that you've asked a broad general question that doesn't hone in on feedback pertinent to the niche you're targeting. If you're targeting models who want their own sites, it's irrelevant to you whether a network-only model who wants to continue being a network-only model hates LiveJasmin (just throwing up an example here).
I would imagine the current satisfaction ratios among the models you intend to target would be much higher than for camming overall, just read the responses in this thread for evidence of that. Model Centro gets glowing reviews because the company is trustworthy, established, listens to feedback, adjusts options available to models based on their needs and offers desirable contract terms. That's not their sales pitch, that's who they are. I could say the same thing about all the sites and services that models use and are happy with.
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CamModelsInfo
not even mentioning the fact that you have to know and trust the right people for the job.
Our point exactly.
While your project is in it's infancy you're still doing a sales pitch here, as you stated above (in big bold red print) that you're seeking models to work with during the planning and testing phase. So my final questions, to echo others above: who are you, what sites have you worked on in the past, and what specific experience do you possess in the camming side of the industry?
Those aren't rhetorical questions, they're vital to anyone who would be even the least bit interested in working with you.
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Originally Posted by
CamModelsInfo
As mentioned from the start, we do not intend to compete with the big players, it is not cost effective (not that it is not impossible).
But anyway, leading top models operate own sites to communicate with their fans, but they are performers not IT project managers, most of their sites are inferior with a limited toolset. So basically we want to be the one to build the platform on our end, which will allow the Cam Models to easily set up her very own CAM site, and it will be on the same platform with the sites of other models. This will allow the Cam models to generate income from her own shows or generating traffic for other models. This site is operated alongside your favorite CAM Site and could be arranged by appointment that only offers special shows and services for premium rate.
I want to reiterate that we are not offering some kind of money machine, our platform is not intended for models that would just expect to log in, do her shows and wait for customers that someone else brings for her (For hefty fee)
We are targeting models with business acumen, ones that would treat it as a business. Ones who are ambitious to promote, and bring her own clients/business, and who want to build her own fans/followers and get fair pay for the work.
Our mission is to create a platform that is sophisticated enough to offer better features and services in better quality for less money rather than if a cam model would attempt to operate her own site. Cost of running own custom site can run really high with (custom design, implementation, payment processing for adult services, fraud prevention, credit card chargebacks ,security, lost time, ….) not even mentioning the fact that you have to know and trust the right people for the job.
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“I know this is all rude”
I agree; some of the statements are pretty rude, please let’s treat each other with respect. All I am doing is trying to get professional feedback and your suggestions. Believe me, I am grateful for the feedback and experiences that any Cam models are willing to share.
3.
Please if you do not have something constructive to say, (I welcome and respect criticism but it has to be constructive) I will politely ask you not to participate in this discussion, Please find different Thread.
I look forward for future constructive comments.
The issue is, there are already other sites like yours. Look up Modelcentro on google, they already beat you to the punch and there are others out there like it. When building a site the question you have to ask yourself is what do I have to offer that the model cannot do for herself? If you want my honest opinion. Nothing. We can already do that on our own and I'll explain.
You posted these examples so I'll reiterate on them.
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CamModelsInfo
EXAMPLES:
Sophisticated system to schedule appointments
Sell videos
Sell pictures
Sell miscellanies merchandise
Sell novels
Customer Referral system (already have several affilate systems to use)
Others
All of the things listed can already be done for free including an affiliate system and free scheduling software like google calendars or reremind. Most of us work on a first come first serve basis. My customers occasionally schedule and prepay but I already have a system for that.
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CamModelsInfo
WHAT IS THERE FOR YOU?
We will reward the models that will collaborate with us closely by:
You will get special perks on the new platform
Exclusive pay out terms (Giving you a life time split not matched by other competitors)
Plus
New platform loaded with all the latest features
Security and privacy
Multiple ways to generate income and excellent payout programs
Exposure to our partners in fine art production
Own virtual wallet solution (May simplify money distribution or payment processing for many models)
Rewards? Models just want to get paid, that's pretty much it. No payout programs, just the same percentage all across the board.
I highly doubt you can give us a better split. CMD and a few other platforms already offer 75-80%. However, choosing one of the many payment processors out there, I've found several that only charges me $0.10 per transaction, $0.10 for fraud protection, and just 3-5% a month to use their billing platform. After I've paid my $1k to visa/mastercard; I'm golden and keep MOST of my money. Can you offer 95%? Probably not because you need to get paid too.
You mention not wanting us to log in and just get paid but most of us want that. We miss the days where we could log on, relax, and get shows on ALL platforms, now it's a little harder. I don't want to work my ass off and bring in customers just to borrow someone's features on a site that gives girls the exact same layout with a little tweak of the domain. Domain names are $12 a year, wordpress is $20 hosted a month or less, and my designer (who's amazing) charges me less than $300 for my whole site. Security can be purchased as well through godaddy and cheap.
My issue with your statement is that everything you've listed is either already out there, or we can do it ourselves without sharing a cut with anyone. I have several ways to bill my customers and I prefer 100% of the profit (of course). If I want most of that percentage, I can just get 93-95% with an adult billing solution or give up 20-25% with someone who's already established. Nothing you've posted hasn't already been done or can be done. These are all things independent cammodels already do and succeed at. No longer are the days where clueless models leave the sites to do all of their work for them. We are a new breed of models, we know this industry in and out and how to use it to our advantage.
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SarahTime
So basically he wants to be either Adult Centro, but pay 25% unlike Adult Centro that pays 51%.... OR he wants to be like an indy site provider such as loveshooks site.
Just a quick chime in, MC works of a margin of 22.5% (while running a full time development team of 30 people), with 10% billing cost and 67.5% Model's clean profit.