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yeah, I was looking for the traditional sugar daddy that could be found in the early 90's. The one that just wanted to spend the day with you taking you shopping, maybe dinner, then part ways. I'm not looking to study to change my whole lifestyle just to hope to be handed money by some stranger. I'll just keep working to make my money. I'm a "soccer mom" type with 4 kids. I don't have the time to give to these men. They really want to just pay for a girlfriend. I'm married. I don't have time to be anyone's GF.
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I agree with a lot of what Bombshelle said - and the more you expose yourself to these places the more comfortable you will be-- BUT - there are self made men out there who are not really comfortable with a superficial rich lifestyle - you can hook one of these guys -
This is my reality ^ lol I make my boyfriend look richer than he is....no one knows I work full time and drive an older car (for now.)
It's true- you have to dress like money to make money. Really rich people are very different in many ways, they have different body language and are just used to nicer things than the rest of us.
Threadjack but important- you absolutely have to fix your teeth & maintain your looks to attract a successful man. That kind of guy is not going to stoop to date some trainwreck-looking/acting woman.
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I tried a few years ago but I was impatient. I just made a new profile on SA and What's Your Price. So far I have two dates this weekend. I put up a well put together ad in a nearby (big) city on CL and I exchanged info with this super fine man in Pharmaceuticals and entrepreneurship... so I'll see how that goes.
Somebody is always flaggin ads on CL. I stated a wasn't an escort. I bet its the jealous lonely women ugh.
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You have to choose what's best for YOUR personal situation.
1. If you are in an emergency situation and you need fast cash (and you have street smarts) escorting is the speediest way to get money in your wallet.
2. If you are struggling but have food, shelter, transportation and simply desire a better lifestyle THEN I would dip into the sugar baby realm.
A guy is NOT going to spend oodles of money on a stranger above local escort market rates UNTIL AND UNLESS he has formed a bond with you. That takes time. Generally to see the big numbers where you get thousands a month it takes anywhere from 1-3 months depending on your connection, your personality, and his finances. I'm saying 1-3 months AFTER you meet him and all goes well. The girls that get the apartment, car, and hefty allowance generally get to that level in about 9 months to a year after meeting the guy.
For someone who is socially unconnected to rich powerful men, the sugarbaby deal will be extremely difficult especially if your finances are in a tight spot. The sugarbaby sites are trash. I've tried it and read the book by Taylor Jones (it's well written and intelligent) and I deduced that the girls successful online put a LOT of time into it.
If you are determined to have the sugarbaby experience just to say "I did it!" read Ho Tactics. It brilliantly outlines what you have to do. It IS a major time commitment however, and you will have to find the time and money to consistently be out there mingling with the rich and powerful. Also, meeting sugardaddies in person means they'll see you as a girlfriend. You will likely get lots of expensive presents and dinners before you'll see Benjamin Franklin's.
If you are living hand-to-mouth then you lack the time necessary for the online sugarbaby game. That stuff works well for middle class girls who just want a little bit of an upgrade. For working class girls or ladies living on the edge you need to pick something that will pay you faster. Many girls in that situation escort, prodom, strip or some combination of the 3.
Good luck.
t
This has absolutely been my case. The two sugardaddies that I've had in my life where it amounted to allowances, cars, rent paid and hi-end vacations came when I was an independent escort. They started off as regular clients in their 60's (the older the better for me), but just as ThisIsBliss says that only happened because they bonded with me. They would ask me to lunch or dinner (I'm never one to turn down a free meal lol) and no I wouldn't charge them for that, I felt they were regular clients and if you don't exhibit the "moneygrabby" behavior they will take care of you in the end. Yes, you will have to hold their hands sometimes, give them affection and treat them like a person and not your personal ATM (unless their into financial domination and that's a whole other ballgame), but for me that was the only way I got to that "sugar daddy" promise land.
I did however try to score one from one of those "sugardaddy in search of...." ads and it turned out to be a waste of time for me. By the time you screen out the time wasters and wierdos I could of taken a few appointments and be done with it.
Also, I want to mention that in most cases it doesn't last forever (notice I used the term "had sugar daddies"), so make sure you have a plan B going on. Put money away, work on your education etc. in other words Don't Put All Your Eggs In One Basket!!!
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I started an adventure and I'll report back with my client side experience. Might help someone figure out their angles. No spin here, just what I'm doing and seeing. This might get boring and I'll stop reporting if I don't see any interest in the play by play. I won't post amounts publicly, but I will respond to private message. Anyone whose emailled me knows I'm not a clinger or time sink and can just respond. I've been very happy seeing escorts, as I get older the conversation and general companionship has gotten more important. Still like the icing on the cake, but very recently (the last month) I found myself buying more time, including overnights. This and some other thread got me thinking about trying a few months away from escorting and see what a SB would bring. Never say never. I read the sugarlifestyleforum reddit and then started an SA profile. 1st, I checked out the competition and created a burner female account. I found I was in a healthy group for income and net-worth so I think I can play ball, also, frankly, I spotted a number of posers and neanderthals. 2nd, I determined the allowance and what I wanted. I decided a monthly in-advance cash allowance seemed appropriate. In return, four-five mixed meetings a month (simple lunches only, some private hotel rendezvous, and some mutually agreeable events). Travel negotiated separately in addition to allowance and shopping if things are going well. I think I'll still skip gifts in lieu of cash or shopping trips. 3rd, I set up a profile, added a real write up, loaded a private picture. 4th, I did a casual reading of the profiles to see what I liked, favoriting a few.
2nd Day, I received eight unsolicited emails, two from people I favorited. Emails to me ranged in ages were from 18-45. I did notice that the profiles have a last logged in time stamp, meaning a few that I'd previously favorited might be dead accounts. From using the burner account the day prior, I did notice there were many fewer men in my area than women. Probably 10f - 1m. I responded to emailed questions and then decided it best to put cards on the table, so put forth my expectations and allowance. A little cut and paste was involved. For those I didn't have an interest,I thought it best just not to respond, so I responded to six, including opening private photo to those that asked.
3rd Day, A few have not logged on again. I got three emails, responded, with immediate responses back. One said they wanted to meet, but was out of town for a week, Age 29. NP. One wanted a quick lunch or coffee, we set it up, and exchanged a few funny emails since, Age 39. One wanted a paid lunch, Age 25, which is not normally unreasonable if I'm setting up with a provider. Given the responses, time for screening, and longer term commitment on my side with advance allowance, I decided not at this time.
Want to get this posted, but have two more days to report.
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I'll sum up Days 4 and 5 by saying this: I'm overwhelmed. I made the mistake of sending a few emails to profiles I like, but this isn't like dating or even like trying to schedule a provider. I found I'm not so much the solicitor as the solicited. So I have two appointments now, and two woman that are ready for me to propose a meeting, and several conversations with women telling me about themselves and me doing the same. And each day I've been in receipt of new unsolicited emails. A few were out of state or out of the country, but most were in my area. Advice to men (which is not the point of this blogging) would be that it is not a numbers game, there are a lot of active and responsive woman that are prepared for a real SD with a real offer on SA. I had thought I was competing against big offers and trust fund goobers, but really I think the women are simply seeking genuine offers.
Here at the end of day 5 I've found the women want to know what I look like, I didn't think it'd be like providers, but their interest in my personality and appearance has seemed as important as the offered arrangement. I'm fit, have all my hair, tall, and no issues - apparently thats something. I did good dating and could at least get a date with who I wanted, its sort-of like that, except it feels like I got 2 points better looking and my jokes got funnier. Maybe my dick is bigger too, I need to check. It's a nice feeling, even if somewhat contrived. Having met nobody yet, it has the aspects of negotiated dating, a blend of provider meets part time companion. Which I like, I'll be a client, but a client that they have some (good) expectations regarding the companionship. Maybe. We'll see how it is when rubber meets the road with the actual meetings, but via the email exchanges thats how it seems. All that have requested have gotten two recent picks of me wearing the white guy business casual uniform of polo shirt and slacks. Otherwise the emails have centered around, first my offer, then things we like to do and small talk, then somewhere in there a meeting.
At day 5 I'm not responding to any new emails as I never intended to be engaged in as many conversations as I have now.
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Honestly its very hit or miss! I did it for a few years but took a break .I will add that it takes skill & technique to master a SB/SD relationship.I should still have some info I will try to dig up for you.
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I tried it once but nothing eventuated because I felt all the guys in my area were losers who shouldn't have been on there. When I'm in Europe again I'll definitely have another go, I've seen some instagrams and tumblrs of random sugar babies over there who appear to be doing well for themselves. However I don't know if i have the patience for it as I'm so used to demanding men sometimes straight away to pay me to talk, dance, drink etc from stripping.
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TiffTiff,
The early 90s sounds like a magical time to be a sugar baby. :)
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TiffTiff
yeah, I was looking for the traditional sugar daddy that could be found in the early 90's. The one that just wanted to spend the day with you taking you shopping, maybe dinner, then part ways. I'm not looking to study to change my whole lifestyle just to hope to be handed money by some stranger. I'll just keep working to make my money. I'm a "soccer mom" type with 4 kids. I don't have the time to give to these men. They really want to just pay for a girlfriend. I'm married. I don't have time to be anyone's GF.
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Day 6, Continuing my blog on client side experience with SA. I've learned to (mostly) differentiate between professionals and amateurs on the website and in communication. I'm using the term professional as anyone in sex work who is attempting to use SA. I thought going in that I'd prefer a professional, but after my first meeting with a non-professional it feels more appealing for a change of experience. Plus, I decided (and already have) to keep seeing escorts, perhaps just fewer appointments. So different is really the goal. I learned that I don't need to pursue at all to start a dialogue, but also that the non-professionals are relationship seeking and so want dating/relationship style dialogue. I've had to recalibrate. The 'neediness' the amateurs project is difficult for even the best professional to mimic. It does make me question why I'm trying this, since professionals are so much easier in all aspects. New experience I suppose.
On the practical side I'm returning no new emails and doing no searching, just dealing with what the first few days started. I want to get past the shopping and begin an arrangement, select and pay a partner quickly. I had to set a limit and decided I'll do five meetings with different women and then choose. Even that feels like too much and if I could take a time machine back I'd have limited my communication and planned three. There is pressure to meet, but those that haven't applied some pressure aren't getting a meeting. :( This is a weird buyer's market and I see how woman get rooked into giving up a lot of free time by scammers and posers. I'm just trying to pick a woman within a week of signing up and I've spent and taken more time that I'm completely comfortable already.
First date feels right and maybe would not have even shopped if I wasn't already committed. We'll see. The appeal was she is mature in age, naturally pretty (not too made up), and conversation was interesting and organic. I have to get used to the fact there is no clock and some of them appear to want my time - or maybe thats just really good game.
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I might be nearing the end on my SA client side report. I had an impromptu second date, I'd promised at the beginning of second date to pay the first month allowance - so I did. Now I'm officially an SD with an SG. Had a great time, sex was involved, but also hours and hours of talking. She seemed to get a lot out of my company and really liked and enjoyed me. We'll see, the lines are not as clear as with escorts. She's a non-professional type, but, you never really know. Professionals are people and when you get to know them beyond the professional arrangement they have all the same insecurities, issues, and qualities as everyone. It could also be the case that she was just much better at appearing vanilla. Had a coffee date come together, we didn't connect, young(ish) woman 29, and our conversation was just a few degrees off. We did not connect. She seemed like a wonderfully fun person, just more fun than I needed and a higher octane personality than my own. She'd make the right person a great SG, frankly very beautiful also, so hard to say no thank you. Not sure how to say no thank you, I'll wait and see if she emails and maybe she'll do the same and it'll die of natural causes, otherwise I'll just have to say it's not a perfect fit something. This is one of the reasons I hesitated doing SD/SG was the unclear and things that mirror dating. Blah, with an escort either an appointment is made or not, either another appointment is made or not. Now there is more money at stake and a longer term relationship.
I have another afternoon meet today and my last two meetings next week. I'll have no more to do with SA (at least for awhile) since I won't have the time and will make my account invisible or whatever the option is there to hide the profile. I could end up with two SGs. This was not the plan and not sure I have that much time, but plans don't often survive real life and you just have to go with it. I do have a few observations at this point. If you're serious about being an SD, I think the money is pretty easy and is arranged quickly. I just put the amount in an email and when I'd be paying; I was a bit uncomfortable with it and wanted to get it over with - even with my hobby experience I felt uncomfortable. Also, in my market there are many more women than men, so if I were to do it all over again, I doubt I'd be first to initiate any emails. Write my profile and wait. This is a complete reversal from almost all other male-female interactions. Even in escorting the man has to ask for the appointment first. I did find certain aggressive approaches off putting, I responded best to a simple hello, or a remark about my profile or even a request for my photo. A 'big pitch', no matter how well crafted, didn't work on me. The amount I'm offering for the limited time demand was widely acceptable (only one person wanted to minimize the meets even further down, but price was fine), I thought I was working with only the negotiable, minimal, and practical profiles (if you're on SA you'll know these). But for the minimal time I was asking, my offer was accepted by two in the Moderate range. Frankly, I didn't see any difference in the 'substantial' range female profiles other than the profiles generally seemed a bit angry. I'm not one to criticize people's financial goals, I'm betting there is some small market - not sure a substantial SD market exists on SA, but I know a business relationship in town that kept woman with that kind of budget. Pretty sure he didn't find them on SA. If I was looking for that kind of relationship, the substantial profiles on SA wouldn't have attracted me, I'd have foraged to find one in real life. I know its obvious, but a list of things a person is 'tired of' is not really a winning game. Maybe it is necessary and works as a screening tool, but I'm real and found the 'tired of' lists on any profile a non-starter. It came across as a bad first meeting before meeting anyone, like someone you don't know accusing you of being a racist. Not sure there is a solution for a woman to on this, as the 'tired of' lists were all perfectly reasonable screening.
Anyhow, a few more meetings, a few more logins on SA to finish up conversations and I have one SG, maybe two. I'd say SA worked for me to find an arrangement, but since there are so many naive women on there I also think a time-predator could really work the field.
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I'm going to make this my last SA report (for awhile) and summarize. It's taken just over a week and I have one SG, met twice and paid her the allowance on the second date as agreed, in cash, in the amount agreed. Simple. We had a lunch date, hotel date, and now going and doing an activity this week. Next week will be another hotel date. This should be the pattern, she emails me more than I thought and is a fun email exchange, seems like she either (a) wants a bf or (b) is so good as to make it seem that way. Confusing stuff for someone as low maintenance as myself. I'm ignoring new SA emails, but I have a profile that captures interest; I'll make it invisible and then bring it out again if I choose to continue after these relationships find their course. I had several meetings cancel or they just didn't reply when confirming. I did decide I'd have two SG relationships and so I have one my age now and I'm looking for one that is younger (mid-twenties to very early thirties). There are flakes and crazies, its awful how some people respond to a sandwiched 'no thank you'. Sandwiching is when you put a no in-between two compliments, usually works pretty well. My new tactic is to just let something fade away and not respond. That seems to be how it works in reverse, so that must be the preference.
I have an out of town trip to Illinois planned and was hoping to have an SG that could travel and trip the town fantastic, fine dining, shows, etc. We'll see, if not I have a back-up local escort, she's been flakey with desperately wanting to go and then not confirming. Fall back will be a local escort, awful lot of time together for someone I've never met. If I can't get a travel companion out of a sugar relationship it lessons the value.
My opinion of SA from the SD side is simple: it works from the SD side. I have a dating companion my age, she is engaging, fit, and the relationship is sexual, but not just sex. I suspect I'll have an SD 10-20 years younger in a week or so. The younger the age the (a) faster they go off the market or (b) the flakier they are - can't tell which. There are some crazy SGs, I mean send you fifteen emails overnight before you ever meet them and ones that will threaten you if you say no thank you to a second date - even if you were a perfect gentlemen the first date and were genuine and candid in your emails. Be wary of what information you provide, I suggest as much anonymity on both sides as possible. Not sure how this dovetails with screening, but if first meets are public, then maybe thats not as much of an issue. I did find offering and describing the allowance before meeting (advice I found on-line) worked very well. But I also was advised (and found to be true) that many of the woman on SG are wary of being sex workers or feeling like they are trading money for sex and so respond well to justifications and a veneer of 'this is a real relationship' almost ignoring that money and sex are in the mix. It's odd to me coming in as a sex worker client, but I'm learning, and its what I wanted to learn.
Not much else, if I was an SG, I'd say that a SD is likely not real if they are looking for sex on the first date and are not willing to offer a clear allowance. Even as mixed-up confused as sugar relationships are, at the end of the day, all the inquiries to me responded positively to a monthly cash allowance. Doesn't seem that difficult. My risk is one month's allowance, not the end of the world. If I was really worried about someone, why start, but also, I could break it into an every two week allowance. The play by date seems exactly like sex work, so not sure how that would go over or why anyone bothers with the SG/SD labels anymore.
That my two cents. I'm keeping on in the Sugar Bowl games, feel free to ask me anything, will provide $$$$ figures in private email, but not for public posting.
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Cue thread on dancers only: "Advice on hustling a new SD?" I'm a 39 YO who has been on two dates with my new SD - going great so far but it seems like he wants me to travel. There hasn't been any sexual contact, he just seems to like laughing and talking with me. What do you guys suggest ....."
Joke! It sounds like you got a good one thanks for posting.
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Update: I haven't been on SA in a week and not sure I'll return. One word: Fiasco. Also, a new appreciation for providers.
I'll say this, an SD willing to pay an allowance, is kind, not completely socially handicapped, and has the time to take a lot of initial meetings can make as many arrangements as money will allow on SA. I'm sure SD's all have different reasons for going into it. My reasons are not lining with sugaring so far. Also, I believe I'm spoiled by providers. This comes as a surprise to nobody, but providers (most) are very good at sex and many that I see tend to have well developed social skills, and because its a business the rate of no-show and cancellations is very low. I had thought of talking with some of my regular providers to become an SG and might go back to that idea.
Forgetting my initial enthusiasm, this is how it's sorted out so far. First, my initial SG decided I was her therapist and began unloading about her husband. Glad she found that comfort level, maybe he sucked, but it's not how I want to spend precious relaxation/entertainment hours. I've given her the honorary indian name of Gripes about Husband. I'm able to be an SD because I have a business that is high pressure and it takes a lot out of me. I have no reason or space to invite problems into my life - especially to pay for problems. Second, I made an arrangement with a younger college age SG, while she accepted the sex part of the arrangement (which for me I want to be interspersed and not every meeting), she couldn't hide the fact that it was like taking medicine to be with an older man. I really felt bad for her, wish we had not gone through with the sex, and honestly believe that sugaring is not up her alley, unless and until she can find the personal head space to be with an older man. This is a tad boastful, sorry, but I'm in good physical condition, low body fat, exercise, have high grooming standards, and can do well in the wild with women in my own age group - but I do look like a man in his forties. I can't act young, dress young, or not look like a man in his forties - nor do I wish to try. I broke it off feeling sad for her and for me. She did get a months allowance for a few meetings, so there is that.
My third attempt at sugaring I tried another SG younger/but closer to my age, and not married. Despite having a good initial meeting I found her social skills where lacking, add to that, she was really terrible in bed. Our last dinner date she talked loudly, cussed, and didn't seem to be holding her drinks very well. Maybe the latter was the cause of the former issues. With the sex, I tried lots foreplay, tried talking to her in a very open way, but she was so inhibited that if we were dating I probably wouldn't have given the relationship more than a month to see if she'd come out of her shell. By inhibited, I don't have any kinks or fetishes, I'm talking simple sex, moving around a little on the bed, and being comfortable naked and touching. For sugaring, I'm thinking a woman shouldn't even try unless she has the self confidence with regards to her own body and her sexuality. There is some irony in this, my second SG didn't care for my body, the third SG didn't seem to care for her own.
To sum up the three SGs I felt: annoyed, sad, and sad again. Obviously not my goal. Which brings me to what I see as the crux of my issue with what I've learned some call "The Sugar Bowl": many women in my area enter it having no idea what they're entering. It seems fairly simple in exchange for NSA company that includes socializing, sex, and a friendly relationship a woman will receive a regular cash allowance, gifts, and the company of a man pleased to be with her. I take responsibility for not choosing well, missing signs, but in my defense, there were many no-shows (which I did find a way to reduce) and a lot of women entering the Sugar Bowl seem either ill equipped for sugaring or ignorant to it (don't they have Google???). I need a break from it or need to slow down and work on my own screening skills. There is a woman out there I know would benefit from a regular allowance and I know I could benefit from some laid back time and quality companionship. But I'm not yet equipped using SA to make that happen and the learning curve sucks.
Not sure how much help this is to sex workers who frequent SW, but hope the flip-side perspective gives you angles or insight you can work with in your pursuits. If you are getting into SA in my market you're competing with a vast number of women who seem to have no idea what they are attempting to do. They just know they'd like the allowance. It would seem like providers would have an edge with their skill set.
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From the provider/potential SB side I am screening the client too. I appreciate older men and being with someone who is established in life. I am young and in the early stages of creating a life and a career. And all the angst and fun that comes with that stage. When I hang out with my sugar daddy types its great to be with someone is well past that.
I tend to be assessing what sort of activities they like, how straightforward are they to communicate with, how well am I able to please them? Do we 'click' or not.
Safety is a huge concern, is the client moody? Do they have tantrums? Or prod at subjects I find difficult? Can I handle extended periods of time with them? How well can I please them/meet their needs?
I appreciate that the client is paying for my time and companionship but if I can't feel good while being with them, its not going to work out.
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In my area I can't actually stand most of the men. They have the income bracket but most are on that ego high of not paying for anything but a meal. Others want to talk you to death and hold a carrot over your head. One guy that sent me a cheap offer on WYP said on his profile "please don't reject the offer as I'll be more than happy to spend in person". He said a few words back and forth and just sits on the site day in and day out. Then he shows up on SA and I think wow wtf ? He sends me a few messages there but does the "I'll be out of town until the 15th so we can talk and get to know each other until that time". My thoughts? FUCK YOU LOSER!
The guy has been playing this hot and cold game for what seems like 3 months. Nope
The rest are incredibly rude with low ball offers of $200-300 per meet where they expect a 4-5 hour dinner + sex time(8hr day). Like who the hell has that kind of time to be around a SD? Even the area. Most of these men are in areas I'm not interested in moving to which means sure their cost of living is a tad lower than mine but my god are they cheap.
Some of these men are clearly desperate for attention and will monopolize your time for shits and giggles.
Right now I just want to escort and skip the stupid bullshit but as I was going to put up an ad Visa and Mc decided to fuck everyone over.
I even took a gamble on collaspace but no more losers that waste time.
I'm getting on the bitcoin wagon but it's too little too late. Bitcoin is climbing so fast that's it's nearly at $272 per bitcoin.
I only had one decent SD the rest are trying to take advantage as I even had one ugly old fuck that though I'd drive 2 hrs to meet him sit across the dinner table and listen to him plus have sex for $300. So 4 hrs on the road? I mean where is the benefit in that?
Another contacted me for $500 but tried to be slick and set up dinner for a whole week in advance. This is of course so he could get a full weeks worth of blah blah blah and then make up some excuse as to why he can't meet on the 7th day, When he went from the site inbox and said "let's email" I already knew timewasting attention whore. So I said why don't we chat by phone and that's when he said "NEVERMIND NOT INTERESTED".
It's the first time I've felt blocked from income in so many directions.
Being nice appears to give the indication "push over low self worth ie cheap".
You also start to wonder what is wrong with you after you've spoken to close to 75 different johns. Yes johns not SDs. The 60-70 yrs old in my area are just retarded. I'm also getting marriage or move in propositions from them. It's like umm no I'm not interested in slavery making a comeback. I mean wtf? What is so awesome with "fuck me and live in my house rent free?". Is that really a great offer these days? Sexual slave labor for housing?
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Wow you're lucky he agreed to that much you sound super uptight. A security guard for a dinner with a 70 year old man. That made me laugh!!
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I was just curious. At one clubbed i worked at I had a good regular, man in his 70's, only drank a glass of wine, then soda all night. Came to see me once a week for about a year. I would never ever meet a customer outside of work for any reason or any amount of money. But this guy made me an offer. he just wanted to have a nice dinner at a nice restaurant and have someone to talk to and he would pay for the meal and give me $150. I finally agreed, but with conditions...daytime hours only and I bring an anonymous someone who would already be at the restaurant as security for me but wouldn't eat with us or approach us. He agreed. We did this maybe 4 times. Then a girl stole him from me.....how you ask? she agreed to hold hands and kiss him during dinner, which I declined to do but he says he was ok with it??!!
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To all the ladies wanting Sugar daddies, my advice is similar to some other ladies above. Go to high end places and freestyle. You will eventually get comfortable with it. Or if you strip or escort you may eventually get a guy who can be a real sugar daddy. The guys online on sugar sites are entitled, demanding creeps looking to scam ladies. They want a naive woman who will accept peanuts for risky sex. I will say I have had major luck once before on Seeking arrangement, but this was the exception to the rule. There may on 2 million male members on Seeking arrangement, but a small percentage logs on frequently, an even smaller percentage earns over a million dollars a year, maybe 1% will be willing to pay what you are worth (which is 5k++ a month.) If you learn to hustle correctly, check out craigslist or meet someone in person. You might even get lucky on vanilla sites like OKC or Match. You want to turn vanilla guys into your own personal sugar daddy instead of waiting to get preyed on by these self proclaimed "sugar daddies".
ALSO NEVER BE NEEDY MEETING THESE MEN, IT IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.
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Re: has anyone tried Seeking Arrangements or other similar websites sugar daddies, et
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GoldenChild
If you learn to hustle correctly, check out craigslist or meet someone in person.
I agree 100% with meeting in person, that definitely works best. But how can you find the .01% willing to pay 5k++++ you mentioned on craigslist? That seems like the very last place to look.
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Re: has anyone tried Seeking Arrangements or other similar websites sugar daddies, et
Just got to use the right words in your ad and do the appropriate screening :) Honestly have met better guys on Craigslist than the sugar sites.
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Simply put, only one in 100 men make over 200,000 every year (as opposed to variable ups and downs) and that is the absolute minimum you need to keep an SB - as a single man. With a family and obligations, you need at least 400k. Even the easy, hip SB that just wants cash and makes life simple, needs 3k for twice a month. For a guy with 200k/yr his take home is like 12k/m. Most of the guys on SA wish they could afford an SB but can't. I'm not saying that to be elitist or mean, it is just the truth. A person can't spend a quarter of their net on an SB and be fiscally prudent. And no dude with a wife over his shoulder can hide spending more than 10% of the household income. There aren't 2 million men in this country who could properly afford 5+k/m.
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Re: has anyone tried Seeking Arrangements or other similar websites sugar daddies, et
Bahuba, you're right that the percentage of high earners or UHNW people is small. For example, GoldenChild said she looks for men that make over $1 million a year. According to tax returns there's about 160,000 families in the US that make that amount. As a percentage that's a very small number. If you exclude the happily married, very young/old guys or guys uninterested in finding someone that percentage gets very very small. One other problem is that often very wealthy guys are extremely cheap. So even if they have enough money to support 100 girls they may not be willing to spend it. On the plus side NYC, Miami, Hamptons, or LA have large concentrations of this small group of guys.
I agree that supporting a girl with $5k+++++ a month is for a select few. In the same way owning a jet or multiple large homes isn't for everyone. For example, if you have a family office that costs quite a bit more to operate than $5k a month.
This tiny group of non-cheap, very wealthy, not-100 years old, straight guys is being chased by a small but relatively large group of women. If there are lets say 1% of women that would be interested in being a sugar baby, they are chasing 0.01% of the men (or less). So each guy has dozens or hundreds of women willing to be with them. This creates the problem of guys not being interested in paying anything since some of the girls are willing to hang out for "free" hoping for a long-term relationship. Some girls are more interested in private jets, trips, yachts than straight cash. One of the posters on another thread found a guy from a very wealthy family but he wasn't interested in paying, even though the money didn't mean anything to him. It creates an interesting dynamic.
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Re: has anyone tried Seeking Arrangements or other similar websites sugar daddies, et
They need to rename it Sucking Ass Management
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Re: has anyone tried Seeking Arrangements or other similar websites sugar daddies, et
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whirlerz
They need to rename it Sucking Ass Management
LOL!!