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They assured us that we still are independent contractors aka under the table if we choose to be...but all this info is making my head spin!
It's probable that the Cal FTB and IRS won't place much stock in the club's 'assurances'. Just sayin' ...
It basically comes down to this. If the club now receives $40 from customers for each private dance, the club has two choices. It can be held responsible for entire $40 worth of club revenue, and pay taxes on that $40 ( even though the club only 'keeps' $14 of the $40 ), or the club can officially 'transfer' $26 worth of that revenue over to individual dancers via issuing a 1099 for the dancer payments ... thus leaving the club with $14 worth of revenue to pay taxes on, while the individual dancers must pay taxes on the $26 the club paid them. Which do you think is more likely ??
However, from a 'real world' standpoint, you may not find out about 1099's until the club actually issues them 10-11 months from now. But when that happens, the Cal FTB and IRS will expect you to pay ~25-30% of whatever the 1099 says the total payments you received from doing private dances and VIP's adds up to from the first night they start routing customer payments through the club barista through the 31st of December.
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I'm not making $26 actually I'm making $20. $14 taken out per dance by club then tip out = almost exactly $20/dance
The $6 or whatever which must go toward tipout is a legitimate business expense tax deduction. The $14 'illegally' ( per this most recent local court ruling ) kept by the club is not.
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At one of the clubs I worked, we paid for our dances UPFRONT at the bar. The club took $5 of every $50 each time we rang up dances. Also demanded that we turned in our tips. Gave us receipts for how much we turned in. Paid us out at the end of the night, minus a percentage that ranged between 10-50%. It resulted in a lot of "theft" (real on the part of the club if dancers didn't keep up with their receipts, and imagined on the part of the dancers when we didn't turn in our tips) even though it made things simple when dealing with customers. When I first started, I found it annoying at times but overall tolerable. As I got older and learned more, I only stuck with it because it was the only club in that area.
I'm sorry but, if I'm not an employee and you're not filing my taxes (be it 1099 or otherwise), keep you're grubby fucking hands off my money.
I'd find another club.
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Wow. I can't believe they take so much of your money. That's completely outrageous. It sounds like these clubs need a smack or two with a lawsuit. Especially if the deductions are "illegal" and you can't claim them on your taxes yet the club is issuing 1099s therefore not even giving you the option to NOT file taxes at all.
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Selina M
^ You guys are used to keeping all $40 though, so anything less seems absurd. Perspective.
Could be worse, clubs could be taking half of all $20 dances done, as well as charging a house fee and dj tip out. It's regional...the clubs in my old area did this that it was just not profitable and no longer worth it for me to continue dancing.
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I worked at a place in pa with a similar system. But it was tickets. The customer paid the lap dance room attendant, say customer says I want 2 dances, here's $40. When we come out I got 2 tickets that I later cashed in at the end of the night for $15 a piece. I was still able to get tips but you cant tell the customer he owed you for 3 dances because if you went past your two songs the attendant would yell in the room "times up"!!
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Starling
Could be worse, clubs could be taking half of all $20 dances done, as well as charging a house fee and dj tip out. It's regional...the clubs in my old area did this that it was just not profitable and no longer worth it for me to continue dancing.
I dont know where you were but pretty much all of eastern and south eastern PA does this crap. One club charged $25 a dance and gave us $10!!! Plus all of these clubs have house fees and dj fees and bouncer tip outs. Needless to say, I left for 3 months and went back to a whole new set of girls.
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From your location it sounds like you are at either seventh veil , crazy girls, OR body shop. I'd even say starstrip. When I worked at the veil yrs ago, they had started something similar to this to which the guy paid the mngr for the dances upfront but then we wouldn't get our money until the end of the night. I literally walked around with a pen & paper all dam night keeping up with the dances I did so they wouldn't rip me off. Ugh too much work LoL
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Actually I work at silver reign
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TiffTiff
I dont know where you were but pretty much all of eastern and south eastern PA does this crap. One club charged $25 a dance and gave us $10!!! Plus all of these clubs have house fees and dj fees and bouncer tip outs. Needless to say, I left for 3 months and went back to a whole new set of girls.
Central NY clubs do this for the most part (Syracuse area). I was hoping that not all NEPA clubs shared that trait...I tried out Grandview once...it sucked.
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dont know where you were but pretty much all of eastern and south eastern PA does this crap. One club charged $25 a dance and gave us $10!!! Plus all of these clubs have house fees and dj fees and bouncer tip outs. Needless to say, I left for 3 months and went back to a whole new set of girls.
This actually goes straight to the 'root' of the problem. As long as enough new dancers are willing to put up with 25-50% 'splits' with the club on their private dance sales, along with paying significant 'house fees' and tipouts, the clubowner has zero reason to change the status quo.
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Actually I work at silver reign
I've got to believe that the result of last week's dancer lawsuit has been 'sinking in' with other California clubowners, with the court ruling that any money passing directly from customers to dancers is to be considered 'tip earnings' ( which the clubowner can't legally touch ) providing strong motivation for the clubs to change procedures such that customer money only gets paid to club staff rather than dancers in the future.