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"I just got here" / "Need a drink first" Hustle Tips
You thought this was gonna be a thread where I give YOU tips? Nope! I need your help, girlies!
I get to the club around 9 pm for a mid-week shift, and for the first hour or two, I hear a lot of two excuses:
1) "I just got here."
2) "I'd like to have a drink first."
I've tried working the "let's get your night started off right" angle, but it doesn't seem to work.
I struggle hustling these guys because I actually understand what they mean. I'm thinking that if you want to go to the SC for a night out (i.e. you aren't just going for a couple of hours after work), you don't want to spend your entire budget the second you walk in. You want to sit down for an hour or two, get a feel for the environment, get a nice buzz going, and then start buying dances.
If you hard-hustle these guys to buy a dance early in the night, then they may be so turned off by your approach that they spend their money a few hours later on a different girl.
I used to work a 6 pm shift (years ago), and it was fairly easy to hustle the guys who walked in at that time, because they would only be there for a short time after work, so they'd buy a few dances right away. This 9 pm shift seems to be landing me with guys who are in it for the long haul, and they simply aren't ready to buy dances until they get their buzzes on and relax into the club environment. This club-is-busy-but-business-is-slow time eats up two hours of my five-hour shift, so even if I bank in those last few hours, my average drops significantly.
So...
Can these guys be hustled without turning them off for later dances?
Is this a problem I'm having because of the shift I'm working?
Do you think it's better to work a 6 pm shift mid-week (to get those after-work guys), and better to work the late shift on the weekends (to get the late-night party guys who are already buzzed by the time they arrive)?
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Those guys are tricky - I find alot of these guys have high stress jobs and really look forward too and need that buzz.
"Me too - what are we drinking?"
Would have an introductory drink, chatting as they unwind and then see if you can find that really good mental connection that makes them want to hold on to you.
It wouldn't work with just anyone - but I find it works with certain guys The ones who like to stay for hours with one girl. Feel more of a connection and want mental stimulation as well as sexy company. And have lots and lots of money.
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They are tricky. If it's slow and no other prospects, I'll sit with them for a bit and fake drink with them while putting the thought in their head that they will be getting dances with me. If they seem receptive and / or tipping me for my time, I'll stay a bit and then suggest we go right now. But if they keep stalling then Ill move on to greener pastures, then come back to them later after I've seen them drink more and or the other girls have worn them down.
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They are usually very tricky to hustle, as others have said if it's slow and there are no other prospects you could probably sit down with them an enchant them so hopefully they quickly change their minds or at any rate will come find you later for a dance if you decide to leave because it's taking too long and there are other prospects.
Sometimes those dudes can be pushed into buying dances, but more if its blocks of time or vip as opposed to actual 20$ lap dance sort of things.
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I've gotten the "just got here" excuse a few times. When I first started I would just smile and say "I completely understand. Maybe I'll see you around later!" (Or something just as dumb..) *derp!* Then I started doing stuff like looking at them empathetically and saying "Really..? Me too.." Kinda studying their body language to see if they'd be receptive to sitting with me and talking for a song or 2... Trying to keep it relatively casual and low pressure. I've talked my way into getting some dances this way - but it really is a tricky sell sometimes - and I'm not entirely sure that's the best way to go about it.. Although I do find that keeping it casual with these types can sometimes bring you closer to their comfort zone..
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If it's slow I'll have a drink with them and use my charm or guilt trip them into getting dances...sometimes even pretend I'm "so drunk/horny" from that one drink and I "need you now." If it's busier I will charm them and say "Okay I'll come back when you're drunker" (they always laugh) or "I'll come back later and you better wait for me. If you get a dance with someone else I'll be super jealous!" OR "My regular will be here soon but I'll try to check on you before I go to VIP." Sometimes it works, sometimes not..But some guys really do need a drink or need to settle in first. I just go around planting little seeds, give it 15-20 minutes and go back around the room again.
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I never approach anyone until they've been sitting for a few songs (I know it's hard to keep track on busy nights though). That usually helps. But if they give me that line, it's generally an excuse. Sometimes it's not, so I always leave graciously with an "I'll check on you later!" so I don't put them off.
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I always tell them that I just got there too and I need to go introduce myself to the other customers in the bar, but I'll be right back! I make it a point to get popular right off the bat so that I can see who's willing to spend, look more wanted on stage when those guys come to tip me and possibly get some tips. I always come back to them, too, when I've done that.
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"Perfect, let's have one together."
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Do most of the customers at your club actually sit around for an hour or two from around 9pm, with a lull in activity in the dance room, or do they end up going for dances with other ladies?
If it's the former, well, it really could be the shift you're working. My club is similar to yours, in that the after-work crowd (4-6pm) is great since they're in a bit of a rush, and the late night crowd (11pm-2am) is great since they're in a spendy, party mood by then, but the in-betweeners are meh. So, if you're working 7-10pm, you're sitting around a lot unless you have a regular. It doesn't help that new dancers keep showing up then too, so a lot of customers want to wait and see their options before starting to spend.
Personally, I prefer to avoid that silliness by working the after-work shift (4-9pm), so I've made my money by the time they start rolling in and anything I happen to make during the last hour or two is a nice surprise. Otherwise, if possible, I'd move your 5 hours to end right when the club closes. At my club, it's 9pm-2am, but if you can come in even an hour or two later without huge financial penalties (our fees go up $10 every hour after 9pm), then you'll do better for your average both in terms of missing the lull but also being more on your game from not dealing with soft rejections (come back later) right off the bat.
Now, if you find that the customers are only using those lines as excuses and are actually spending money during that time, then definitely follow what the other ladies on here have already suggested, but also pay attention if it's regulars or random customers. Maybe you have to invest a bit more time during this period and cultivate some of your own regulars to tide you over for the first hour or two of your shift.
Of course, if they're rejecting you right when you approach but spending money on other ladies, then maybe you could try changing up your look. So, if you're rocking a gown, try a lingerie set. If you wear dark colours, try to be colourful.
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Wait, I need to clarify... is this their immediate reaction to you when you say hi, ask if they'd like company? Or is this a rejection after they've wasted your time sitting there for 2 songs?
'Cause my post was referring to those who use it as an excuse to not let you sit down and hustle them to begin with. Those are legit IME... (IF they say "I just got here" or you know for a fact they just got there... any variation like "I'm just relaxing right now" is a pussy way of rejection) and they will get dances later most of the time. But often by the time they are ready to buy, I'm busy with another customer and another girl has swooped in for a kill on them. Oh well, I'm still making $$ elsewhere.
Those who say "they just got here" after you've been sitting with them for 5 minutes? They either do not know how club social transactions work (10% of them), or are timewasters, cheapskates, brokeasses (90%). Those 90% are the kind of people that put me in a shitty mood, they KNOW you are going to ask for a dance, have no intention of buying it, but want to see if you'll entertain them for free until then. I can hear this kind of guy's voice in my head right now: overly cheerful, "Hiya! I'd love some company, sit on down", intended to give you false hope. They want to pretend they're popular and that you just like talking to them.
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Me… I think its completely dumb and useless to sit down for free (even for a song or two) with someone who just told you they're not gonna spend money on you. I keep checking back with them later but I'll never reward them with my company for free.
In these situations where it is still too busy I will sit alone and read CNN on my phone until I am approached. When someone does approach it should take no more than one song to sell, he's not ready? "Okay baby, well I'm gonna keep catching up on world events let me know when we can have some fun together." Another thing I do when I get to work to early is go on stage and stretch/do yoga but this works for me because I don't have to undress at all unless I want to. I would rather do this than entertain these cheap-os for free. I think its poor training to give them anything to include our attention/conversation for free.
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To clarify, I'm running into this issue with guys after I do a very quick 1-2 song hustle (or less). So these are guys who want my company - they're happy to have me sit with them and have confirmed that they'll likely do some dances later on - but simply haven't caught a buzz yet and aren't quite in the spending mood yet. My shift is from 9-2, and for the first hour or so of that shift, basically no one is selling dances (if anyone is, it's usually me - I'm a persistent little fucker).
To clarify further, I'd NEVER sit down with someone who flat-out said they didn't want to spend money on me. Hell naw! And I can sniff out the "maybe later" bullshitters pretty well, too (I check on them throughout the night but expect very little). I'm looking for advice for a much more ambiguous situation. And it's not like I'm having that tough of a time with this. I can usually sell a few dances in that first hour, and then things pick up gradually over the course of the night. I just didn't know if you ladies had experience successfully getting around this common 'excuse' (it's not really an excuse most of the time - I think it's actually pretty legitimate). :)
The more I think about it, it seems like this particular shift may just be an awkward transition between the after-work customers (fairly quick, easy sells since they aren't staying for the night) and the guys who are planning to be out for most of the evening. I always want to start making money immediately when I arrive, and getting a few dances right off the bat always puts me in a great money-making mood. So it's just tough to come across so many guys who definitely aren't brushing me off - they want me to stay and will / do spend money after a couple of drinks - but aren't ready to spend NOW.
I like a combination of all the suggestions so far. If the club is bumpin', make my rounds to introduce myself, try to sell a few dances, and get a feel for the room. Then return to anyone who seems promising, ask to 'have a drink' with them (i.e. sit and pretend to sip on an untouched drink and make conversation for ten minutes) and then go for the sale. If they still aren't ready, I'll explain that I have to keep working, but I'll come back to them later.
I just hate sitting and talking with customers who could turn out to be duds. I'm very good at reading customers, but we've all had the experience of investing time into someone who turns out to be a low-roller.
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Well another reason I won't sit and have a drink with a customer is because I don't drink and I work too hard at the gym to sip on sugary juices and soda just for social interaction. If I'm actually thirsty I order a $10 water lol but that doesn't mean I'm staying with them either.
I will tease guys who say they need a drink first. "Well, you're not the one getting naked! Plus you're gonna wanna be able to remember every second of it!" Or something equally stupid but true "I look great naked, you don't need beer goggles for me!"
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^ I'm the same, joining them for a drink is a great social opener but I don't consume sugar (well maybe a little) and I certainly don't drink. I agree that the training to expect to pay for any kind of entertainment is important too.
At some point though I personally have to relax about it all and hope/trust that my preparedness and skillset are going to pay dividends. Getting caught up in the mindset that I have to be paid every time i'm with a customer can prove to be destructive to a great night; I get a bit too rigid and uncomprimising. I can get hooked into negativity when I'm not compensated for my time which can potentially shut me off to the even better possibility just around the corner.
I guess I'm saying its great to be an educated dancer but at some point I just need to let go and await the opportunities.
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Flickdreams
^ I'm the same, joining them for a drink is a great social opener but I don't consume sugar (well maybe a little) and I certainly don't drink. I agree that the training to expect to pay for any kind of entertainment is important too.
At some point though I personally have to relax about it all and hope/trust that my preparedness and skillset are going to pay dividends. Getting caught up in the mindset that I have to be paid every time i'm with a customer can prove to be destructive to a great night; I get a bit too rigid and uncomprimising. I can get hooked into negativity when I'm not compensated for my time which can potentially shut me off to the even better possibility just around the corner.
I guess I'm saying its great to be an educated dancer but at some point I just need to let go and await the opportunities.
Totally get this too. I have ultimately come to the conclusion that many customers who have several hundred to spend ultimately want GFE. They want to feel something genuine and I've got to say that while I am great at this my greed puts me off from it. The scent of money has to be strong for me to give in to "can I buy you a drink" and for me to stand at the bar and have the tired conversation of who I am and where I'm from and whats my ethnic background…. however it can pay big time.
I personally prefer a quick $100 from 12 guys in one night than 1200 over an extended period of time from one just because of the following reasons:
1) its more tiring to entertain the same person for that long especially if I don't really like them which is the case most of the time (I am able to find beauty in everyone, but its hard with some people so Its draining)
2) As the time goes on with the same person they're likely consuming more and more alcohol and become more needy/grabby/annoying.
3) If they drop 1500 on you for an hour they think you're gonna chill with them the rest of the night…. NOPE
Reading this though will encourage me to be a little more patient maybe. I just hate how customers figure its slow and theres not many prospects so they can dick around and waste your time.
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Originally Posted by
Flickdreams
At some point though I personally have to relax about it all and hope/trust that my preparedness and skillset are going to pay dividends. Getting caught up in the mindset that I have to be paid every time i'm with a customer can prove to be destructive to a great night; I get a bit too rigid and uncomprimising. I can get hooked into negativity when I'm not compensated for my time which can potentially shut me off to the even better possibility just around the corner.
Uuuugh, this is SUCH a great reminder. You're so right! Of course, we should always be looking for the sale and making sure we're not wasting time on non-spenders. But it's also possible to kill a whale by being an over-eager, money-hungry asshole. Sometimes a few minutes of slowing down and sinking into the party mindset of the club environment can do the trick. That's partly why newbs can sometimes make more money than veterans - they have that fresh, positive attitude, which is a money magnet.
What you said about being "too rigid and uncompromising" really resonated with me. It's super obvious to customers when we're in that negative-ish money-money-money mindset, and that isn't good for business. They're there to relax, not to be pillaged. So thank you for this post! :)
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I need help with this too. The problem is that a single drink for the girls is about $150 to encourage customers to buy a bottle of champagne. I don't want to leave them because then the second or third girl who goes to them will get them.
Any tips for me? (Sorry for asking in your thread I hope it's ok)
Also this is a VIP club so people are gonna drop minimum $450 at the beginning so I can't say let's have one dance or anything
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I want to make it clear that I only stay and have a frink with a customer if he is
what I call "room material" . I don't do that for a single dance..
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^ Yeah, on that note I can justify my impatience with these types, with the fact that we don't do champagne rooms at my club... Things are generally done at a per-dance rate. Hence, not a lot of whales, and I feel comfortable walking away from one of these "have a drink" types, because they are probably not worth a lot of $$... that's just the clientele. In the time it would take me to sit and have a drink with him, I can be up $20-$40 dancing for someone else who WAS ready.
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And all of this changes depending on how many customers are in the club. When the club is packed, my hustle reflects that - there's no way I'd sit and have a drink with someone, much less sit, period! But I think we're all willing to step down off of our princess pedestals when shit gets real... If there are three customers in the club and one looks like a potential spender, or if there are customers in the club but no one is spending, that's when I start to get more lenient with my time.
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That's a hard one, but I find occasionally acting kind of like a horny idiot helps with the guys who say "I just got here" or "later." I'll say something like "Later? But you just got me all excited and turned on right now, and you're making me wait?" in a fake kind of sad cutesy tone. Then if they seem like they're kind of debating it/not sure I'll just stand up grab their hand and sort of tug on them and be like "lets go. I need you now." It doesn't always work, but sometimes it does. As opposed to just saying ok and walking away. If you do that even if you plan to come back later, another girl can sweep in when he is "ready" before you go back and get the dance.
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"Do you think it's better to work a 6 pm shift mid-week (to get those after-work guys), and better to work the late shift on the weekends (to get the late-night party guys who are already buzzed by the time they arrive)?"
My experience in every strip club I've ever worked in, is later is better. This is especially true on the weekend, Friday ad Saturday night shift. Even during the week, I try not to get to work until 9pm to have a short sharp shift of intense money making, rather then sit around and become disheartened by the slowness that is early evening.
It is possible to get dances right off the bat with customers that just walk in, however, this is how I'd approach these ones.
1: identify brand new customers walking in the club, give sexy slow smile and make eye contact.
2: Walk off and start hustling another customer who has been in the club long enough to have a few drinks and may be ready for a dance.
3: really try to get a dance off that customer. So the 'new to the club' customer sees how busy you are.
4: go over to the customer you smiled at after they've ordered their drink, hopefully they have had 5 minutes to glance around and noticed you when they first walked in.
5: say something like 'I noticed you when you first walked you' (makes them feel special)
6: tell them you've been having SUCH a busy night, crazy busy, but you have some time now to take them for a dance, say 'let's kick start your night'..
Hustle complete
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I'm a quick hustler too and hate wasting time... But I've noticed that at least in my club they do go to VIP but after the girl sat with them for 30 min. Our club is usually slow so it's worth it and I'm the one that lost out.
However I hate the gamble cause they might well not end up going.
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