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do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
top girls make over $30,000 a month on there
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
Top girls on SM make around 30K too.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
I think MFC perhaps looks like it attracts wealthier people because the models have way more options to get money than they do on most other sites. Like 90% of what is not ok on other sites is ok on MFC so there are many more ways to generate income there than perhaps on the others...which is why those girls who have it down make so much. But make no mistake there are girls also killing it on sites like SM as well. I think the more established the site is, the more moneyed people it attracts.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
Income wise, it's possible to make just as much on SM as MFC... But as far as the "wealthiest customers" go, I've never seen anyone tip $1000+ gold on SM, whereas I've seen 10,000 token tips on MFC countless times. Not to say it never happens on SM, but is way less common, so in that regard I do think MFC has wealthier customers willing to shell out bigger single tips for their favorite girls. That isn't necessarily a correlation to how high a girl's income is, though.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
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SweetieBitch
II've never seen anyone tip $1000+ gold on SM, whereas I've seen 10,000 token tips on MFC countless times. Not to say it never happens on SM, but is way less common
I agree with you completely, but I don't necessarily attribute that difference to the income level of clients between the two sites. I think it has a lot to do with the structure of the site itself.
MFC is a far more 'social' experience for dudes than any other site. The guys have their own profiles, their own lounge, the cam rooms are high-interaction. I think they tend to be more showy with large tips on MFC not for the chicas, but to impress the rest of the 'bros'. In dropping huge amounts they feed their egos; they get some bro love and make the chica happy and everyone sees it
That's not a criticism by the way, all of us have reasons for discretionary spending and I don't think any one motivation is less valid than any other.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
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loveshooks
I agree with you completely, but I don't necessarily attribute that difference to the income level of clients between the two sites. I think it has a lot to do with the structure of the site itself.
MFC is a far more 'social' experience for dudes than any other site. The guys have their own profiles, their own lounge, the cam rooms are high-interaction. I think they tend to be more showy with large tips on MFC not for the chicas, but to impress the rest of the 'bros'. In dropping huge amounts they feed their egos; they get some bro love and make the chica happy and everyone sees it
That's not a criticism by the way, all of us have reasons for discretionary spending and I don't think any one motivation is less valid than any other.
This, and also MFC models are getting 15% more of the client's dollar than Streamate girls are. Not to mention SM privates are less 'visible' than MFC tip drops. A lot of factors at play.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
I don't think any one site has a wealthier client list than the others. Some sites tend to attract more freeloaders, as in token sites where it's often free to watch. That said, the money is available on all of the sites as the clients often have accounts with most if not all of the major sites (SM, MFC, CB, AW, F4F, etc., etc.) and tend to just stay with the one that fits their style (public vs. private; model type; price; etc).
What MFC and other token sites do have going for them is that tipping culture is very competitive and can lead to guys vying for a model's attention via tips. Girls can also sell videos directly, raffle items, play games, mail physical goods, etc., etc., in ways that most other sites would never, ever allow, meaning WAY more possible income offline than a site like SM.
Also, it seems--in general--to be easier to purchase a shit ton of tokens on MFC than it is to deal with the daily limit of a site like SM. I've rarely seen spending limits over $500 in a 24 hour period on SM and those customers have all said they needed to show a consistent, charge-back free spending history AND ask support. On MFC, customers can accumulate tokens over time, contact support for larger packages (pre-pay is king!), etc., etc., which makes those larger tips possible. SM seems loathe to let even a good customer drop $1000 at a time on a model for fear of a charge back, but the token system on MFC allows significantly more safety because a customer can start out buying $20 worth of tokens and work up to packages of $500+, accrue them, and generally show a very good spending history to support that allows them to buy more bulk packages over the phone to nearly guarantee charge back protection (or so I'm told the system works).
Short story: my understanding is that MFC, CB, and other token sites just allow a much greater possibility of giant tips than SM, AW, or other privates based sites can due to how the spending limits and site currency are set up. Basically, same customer types, same amount of money, less difficulty spending.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
It's not that SM doesn't have those customers, the problem it's the daily limit. Takes time on SM to update your limit. On MFC it's easier to see the big guys, because they can "show" their money pretty fast. Not to mention, their reward program it's better. Still, big tips don't happen every 2 hours.
But if you are talking about model earnings, all the big websites have girls who make a ton of money. I've seen a few weeks ago the top on LiveJasmin, those girls make 15-20k per period (2 weeks). On SM the top girls make around 8-10K per week. I've made last week 5K (at 25% my cut) on SM, still LJ never worked for me, that doesn't mean the website has no potential. You just have to find the best for you.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
I'm not sure whether or not MFC attracts the wealthiest, but it definitely seems that way simply because MFC is usually all about the tokens that you earn in public chat. Streamate is usually about the money you make in private/exclusive or Gold Shows (which we don't see because it's in a more private setting).
Having been both an MFC model and a SM model, and having been in several MFC and SM models' rooms...I will say that you are more likely to receive, say, a 2,000-token tip from a big-spending MFC regular than you are to receive $200 Gold from a big-spending SM regular. I'm not saying that it won't happen on SM...just saying that large tips are more frequent on MFC. MFC guys are known for having tip wars, and models are known for having "high tipper" contests and whatnot. There is a $600 token package, I believe, which buys 7,575 tokens (I think that token package is available to the higher tiered members). I did a search just now, which said that the highest received MFC single tip is 500,000 tokens (which is $25,000 in the model's pocket), which was a birthday gift for the model.
That's another thing about MFC. Regulars on there love to spoil their favorite model on her birthday.
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^^^^This is great to know! I am always having guys who reach their limits with me and I wish their limits would go up. I would love to see if SM could improve their customer service packages with these guys so we could get more of their money! I have never had a customer account so I dont even know what it looks like on their side but I would think that the customer should be king and figuring out ways to get them to spend more money, not capping them, would be priority number 1.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
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DeepThoughts
I would think that the customer should be king and figuring out ways to get them to spend more money, not capping them, would be priority number 1.
Mmh, correct. Again, my theory is that it has to do with the site structure itself. SM is geared towards a pay-per-minute and as-you-go set up, which doesn't really allow for pre-paying as a token site does. It's great for spur of the moment shows and creating a sense of intimacy such that the member can be one-on-one with the girl, and many members love those perks to the point of exclusively using SM. That said, it's also a system ripe for abuse. Talk to Karina some time--she used to work for a bank in customer service and actually got a call from a customer trying to charge back specifically for SM. Needless to say, the bank in question knew what was up and denied the charge back (even without her calling B.S.), but sometimes the charge backs do go through. Capping the customer spending limit based on good faith payment history makes sense for a system like it.
MFC token packages are much harder to charge back because they use the same good faith spending history system, but tokens allow for accumulation over time and that works towards higher tips overall. I've had customers on SM tell me more than once that SM will only allow one spending limit bump per day and that they're pretty strict about increases happening with good payment history, so not being able to accumulate site currency is a real issue.
The site certainly doesn't want to cap paying customers, but it's that careful balancing act between added income from good faith customers versus customers who intend to abuse those high caps to cry wolf to their bank, leading to either the model or the site eating it.
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I've experienced lots of high tips on Streamate. I had someone tip me $3,000 during a findom show once because I told him to give it all to me. I logged off and cried. I also had someone tip me $1,000 that I've spoken with or did a show with. They created four separate accounts and tipped me $250 four times. I've gotten $500 tips. I have a gold show reg that spends $400 during a GS. He'll buy in the full amount, then will tip me $25 several times throughout the show. I also do a lot of long exclusives with my high rates. Once or twice a week I do a 2 hour show with this one dude that is a pretty big deal in the sports world.
There are big spenders on SM. I think it's just a different environment since SM is more private based where MFC is mostly all public. Definitely what LH said. As with the cap, it also does playout, but there are balances in place to protect the SM from scammers.
But when you get that dude to fall for you, he will build up his account to get more time with you.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
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Issabelle
Mmh, correct. Again, my theory is that it has to do with the site structure itself. SM is geared towards a pay-per-minute and as-you-go set up, which doesn't really allow for pre-paying as a token site does. It's great for spur of the moment shows and creating a sense of intimacy such that the member can be one-on-one with the girl, and many members love those perks to the point of exclusively using SM. That said, it's also a system ripe for abuse. Talk to Karina some time--she used to work for a bank in customer service and actually got a call from a customer trying to charge back specifically for SM. Needless to say, the bank in question knew what was up and denied the charge back (even without her calling B.S.), but sometimes the charge backs do go through. Capping the customer spending limit based on good faith payment history makes sense for a system like it.
MFC token packages are much harder to charge back because they use the same good faith spending history system, but tokens allow for accumulation over time and that works towards higher tips overall. I've had customers on SM tell me more than once that SM will only allow one spending limit bump per day and that they're pretty strict about increases happening with good payment history, so not being able to accumulate site currency is a real issue.
The site certainly doesn't want to cap paying customers, but it's that careful balancing act between added income from good faith customers versus customers who intend to abuse those high caps to cry wolf to their bank, leading to either the model or the site eating it.
Wow very informative. Thank you for writing this all out. I cannot believe I have gone this long on SM and never really give this much thought. It actually puts my hustle in a whole new perspective.
For instance, if I have a custie who has a rapport with me I might actually encourage him to raise his limit so we can "spend more time together". Let face it often these guys get comfortable with something and dont change so it might not hurt to encourage them a little.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
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audritwo
I've experienced lots of high tips on Streamate. I had someone tip me $3,000 during a findom show once because I told him to give it all to me. I logged off and cried. I also had someone tip me $1,000 that I've spoken with or did a show with. They created four separate accounts and tipped me $250 four times. I've gotten $500 tips. I have a gold show reg that spends $400 during a GS. He'll buy in the full amount, then will tip me $25 several times throughout the show. I also do a lot of long exclusives with my high rates. Once or twice a week I do a 2 hour show with this one dude that is a pretty big deal in the sports world.
There are big spenders on SM. I think it's just a different environment since SM is more private based where MFC is mostly all public. Definitely what LH said. As with the cap, it also does playout, but there are balances in place to protect the SM from scammers.
But when you get that dude to fall for you, he will build up his account to get more time with you.
This is so encouraging! I want a $3000 tip! I dont think it would make me cry but it might!
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
It isn't about which sites has the big spenders, cause many of those same big spenders have accounts on several cam sites. :) Through out the years I've have fans that show up to spend money on me no matter which cam site I am working on. This is why marketing & branding is important, so no matter which cam site you are on, your guys will find you.
What is important is your hustle & ability to adapt, change it for each site & circumstances. Each time you log on is a chance to perfect it. Working your way up to the top of any cam site isn't easy but financially rewarding. Take into the consideration the stamina it takes to "BE ON, BE a STAR" for long periods of time on cam to continually convert men into a sale. Every performer who gets to the top of a cam site & makes great money earned it. I've watched them hustle & admire them greatly.
Smooches,
Sam
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
It seems that a big tipper on MFC give all to one or two models. On CB, a guy will tip the same amount but spread it over more models, (as it were!)
And as ever, Sam38g is spot on.
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I agree with what was said about big tips on MFC being more for a show for other viewers rather than the models. When I cammed there I had some tippers tip outrageous amounts to out tip another person in the room. It was never a tip like, "Hey Twat, you're awesome" but "Ha! I outtipped so and so!" I think because your viewers are able to interact with each other it becomes a competition to show who is "better".
Interaction is a big deal on MFC, 90% of the top models/earners there seem to get on and play games, talk, and do "fun" things to entice people to tip and KEEP tipping. I think the members know that if they do not tip or tip very little that they will go unnoticed in a sea of sometimes thousands of others that can and will tip. I believe that's why there's so many recognizable members of MFC as opposed to other sites (then again I don't keep up with other sites).
There are VERY well known models on MFC that have been there for years and have built up this internet presence which attracts a LOT more people, even those members that had never been to cam sites but had seen priated shows on tube sites come to MFC to see it live. While many of those won't convert to a paying customer it does bring in more people increasing the number of tips and the amount of tips.
Thousands of viewers doesn't always mean more money, but it can mean a higher chance that people will tip and will tip a lot just to out do someone else, especially when there's perks offered, which I believe MFC allows, but SM would not.
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I love love love tipping wars. Loved them as a stripper & as a cam girl. Had a few going on last night. Who doesn't want to be the big dog & put all those other men in their place for their girl of the moments praise, love attention. It sets a great pace, the guys love interacting with eachother & it is a friendly contest, just like men do on basketball courts & stuff. Plus teaches all the others who aren't tipping how it should be done.
Leader of the pack... hehe Men competing for the same hot girl is as old as time. The more men want her more of a catch she is, harder you have to work for her more she is valued.
Thousands of viewers is a great thing & does mean more money, cause guys will see how many men are in one cam girls room & have to check it out. More men more likely to pull in more big spenders. Last night in a 5 hour marathon I did on CB had about 5 great spenders, 30 good spenders and about 100 guys who chipped in something to get me to my final goal. It was a blast, exhausting but fun. The conversations were fun, informative, creative & had such awesome guys I can't believe how lucky I was.
Averaged about 1000 guys in my room for the first 4 hours, 5th hour about 1500. Lucky men, had about 1 troll per hour to make fun of & heckle. The rest of the trolls learned how quickly that didn't go over well with me or the guys in my room.
Even trolls, beggars & broke guys one day want to be that rich guy tipping you & being spoiled by all your attention, most of their anger is because they can't right now. So I dont hate or resent them at all, i just tell them to up their game. :)
Smooches,
Sam
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
Top girls make way more than 30k! Yes I think MFC DOES attract wealthy customers. On the other hand it also attracts broke ass losers who use the site purely as free jerk material. I'd say the proportion of wealthy guys is the same potentially as anywhere else, they just also have a need for their generosity to be publicly acknowledged.
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Top girls on mfc make 130k- 160k for number 1 and 2
50k (minimum) and up for top 10
35k minimum to end top 20.
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I've asked this before.. How does anyone really know what they make? Because they say so? Cam score?
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^^ If you go on ACF (Ambercutie Forums) there are girls there who disclose the amount of tokens they make in a month for things like Miss MFC or rankings or sometimes just because other girls ask what camscores give what incomes etc. So yea there are girls who are honest about that.
Also, if you want to, you can watch a girl's shift on the last day of the month when everyone is going for Miss MFC and count the tokens she makes because tips are visible..I've totally ended up doing it out of sheer curiosity and I can believe figures like that since I've seen girls making upwards of $5k in tips on days like that, so if you take that earning potential, its totally possible to pull those huge numbers.
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SimoneGray
^^ If you go on ACF (Ambercutie Forums) there are girls there who disclose the amount of tokens they make in a month for things like Miss MFC or rankings or sometimes just because other girls ask what camscores give what incomes etc. So yea there are girls who are honest about that.
Also, if you want to, you can watch a girl's shift on the last day of the month when everyone is going for Miss MFC and count the tokens she makes because tips are visible..I've totally ended up doing it out of sheer curiosity and I can believe figures like that since I've seen girls making upwards of $5k in tips on days like that, so if you take that earning potential, its totally possible to pull those huge numbers.
Yeah, and that amount doesn't even include the anonymous tips or tips-not-viewable-to-the-room that MFC models sometimes get. :) I've always thought "just because" tips like that are cool, because they don't even expect you to flash or do anything for it.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
I agree with what most of the other users in this thread have said: MFC is highly interactive and I think that motivates viewers to spend a lot more.
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Re: do you think MFC attracts the wealthiest customers compared to other sites?
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ElleMae
I agree with what most of the other users in this thread have said: MFC is highly interactive and I think that motivates viewers to spend a lot more.
The pressure is more intense because of the competitive nature. The guys love trying to outdo each other for your attention.