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Samples of Custom Videos Requests
Hello,
We are working on custom video request form which would help streamline the transaction between customers and performers. Basically, upon clicking on your link the customer would be displayed a page featuring:
- information about you: do's and don'ts, the gear you use for filming, lingerie/sextoys you have, etc. depending on what you provide
- a form to easily lay out what he wants to happen during the video: length, different steps of the scenario, what you should say/use etc. (not every details would have to be filled out).
You would then be notified that you have a new request, have a look at it easily so you can reply / propose a price.
Additionally, the service would handle payment processing and escrow the funds so that the customer can pay without fearing a potential scam, and you can make the video knowing that the funds are there. Once you upload it, we send it to the customer and transfer the funds to your wallet (revshare ~85%).
In order to design the best user experience, we're looking forward to gather samples of custom video requests. May some of you be so kind and PM me / post here requests you've had from your customers?
Indeed any feedback / question is more than welcome.
Have a great day,
Gérald
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I save all of my emails with custom requests but wouldn't post them publicly or privately for that matter because you could take those ideas and make the videos to sell. There's no verification of who you are or if you're affiliated with any models.
I'd suggest you go to iwantcustoms.com or customs4u.com or even extralunchmoney and look around. Lots of profiles on elm have their custom work pages filled out and there's a custom requests tab you can look through.
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Hello Justsometwat,
I want to see requests to design a tool allowing to lay out requests in a more convenient and clearer way, not to use them as "scripts" for videos. If I'd make videos, I would actually receive requests on my own and not even need to ask around. Would you consider selling the requests you saved maybe? (just the text, not the emails of course)
Thanks for the suggestion, I have done it already and it was interesting indeed but I am really looking forward to see the "raw material" not just the solutions that were designed already.
ps: I have sent you my linkedin profile by PM for verification
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I don't see why you'd need to see someone's actual requests to get the information you need. Requests come in a few different ways:
1) Hey Twat, can you make me a 15 minute long video (HD) where you use your biggest dildo and call me tallywacker while you cum? How much would that cost?2) Hey Twat, here's this 20 page long script that I want done. I want to pay $10 for it and it's an hour long script, when can you get this done? Let me randomly paste it into this email so you have to skim through the hole thing for 20 minutes to figure out what's going on.
Then you respond to it and tell them that you'd charge more than that and that you don't make hour long videos and they come back with: "What if we remove line 2,728 and bring the video down to 50 minutes instead?
Then you facepalm and wonder what's wrong with that person. Then they email you 20 more times to try to make changes that don't change anything.
3) Yo, Twat, you do gangbang videos with random truckers at the gloryhole?
You respond (yes or no) and they never reply and disappear into the night.
Very rarely someone (usually an avid fan) will email you and give you this line up:
10 minute video
HD (1080 if possible)
You in your mermaid costume.
You get face fucked by the Hulk and he cums in your left eye.
How much would that cost?
Reply: I would charge $100 for that video and I can make it with all of your specification, anything specific you'd like me to say in your video?
Yes, can you moan his name "John" while he cums in your eye? I'll send payment over now.
Most people that email me have never bought anything from me, don't look at my limits or how much I charge per minute. Most of them never reply back when you ask for specifics, and when they do they tell you that they will pay for it in a week or two then you never hear from them again. Some of them expect the moon but only want to pay as little as possible.
This was a request I saw on ELM a while back:
Rent a hotel room and film yourself peeing on the carpet in several places, then masturbate in it.
Offered something like 15 credits for it.
That's less than $10 to rent a hotel room and ruin someone's day when they go in and realize what you've done and probably charge you $200 to get the carpets cleaned professionally.
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Custom video forms should have these specifics (what I think they should have):
-Model chooses what categories she will film and is allowed to charge an extra price depending on category. Example, a G/G video will have a +$100 charge to compensate second model.
-Price per minute, optional discount off total amount if they go over a certain period of time.
-Section for any props or additional items needed for video
-Delivery time, additional charges for faster turn around times if model wants.
-Exclusivity and use of name charges
-Outline of script section
As long as the price auto-calculates as they enter in info you're golden.
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Re: Samples of Custom Videos Requests
Wait, lemme get this straight, we have no idea who you are other than a dude who just spammed the shit out of several members of this forum via PM (yeah, camgirls don't like that) practically demanding information of use to you that has absolutely no payout to us? And when we suggest a site where you could go, as JustSomeTwat initially did, and do the damned work of researching it yourself, you still have the audacity to come back here and say you'd rather we do all the work for you by handing over our customers private requests instead of taking the hour to read all the public postings on these clip sites? How damned lazy are you?
You want to open a business, fine. If you already expect the models who don't know you to do the research, then you probably expect them to do everything else too. You won't last a month, but thanks for making it so abundantly clear that you don't give a shit about the women in this industry besides what they can do for you.
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Hello,
Thanks a lot for your insightful answer justsometwat. I am a bit confused because you said my answer was "snarky" in the other thread, I looked up for it and it sounds rather bad, yet you make me such a nice answer!
I scraped the public custom video requests which are on ELM, but I assume public requests are different from the private ones sent to a model in particular. May be wrong but I'd like to read the both types of requests to compare. Also I'm thinking different models may cater to very different type of requests, in that case we should propose different types of forms which are adapted to each model case.
It is very interesting the different types of scenarios you are laying out. I think we could provide automated CRM about users who make an initial request but do not follow up so to get them to follow up eventually. If I understand correctly, most of the "serious" requests are actually quite generic? In that case how do you handle it: do you actually make a custom video or pick one you already made that will "suit him"?
The custom video form you outline is rather close to what we envisioned. We've made a mock-up of it, may I share it with you via PM if you'd like to provide feedback? We want to dynamically calculate a price range as the user fills his requests, but I am not sure we can achieve an exact price. I thought the model would like to always tell the price himself?
Issabelle, I think there is a misunderstanding. I accessed public postings, but would also like to read private ones: I cannot assume they are identical. I did contact some models via PM for it as well, but only models which I found in threads related to selling custom videos as I thought they might be willing to share or to sell.
I do not expect models to do my work, but I need to engage with models in order to get feedbacks and design a great software. So yes I contact people I do not know, and apparently did not respect the proper etiquette. I am sorry about that and will not do it again. But please do not assume crazy things about what I think of performers in this industry.
As for who I am: I am a 25 y.o. french guy, business profile, who worked a couple of years in the industry already (mainly in the cam business for a small pay-per-minute website, also in sextoys/dating) and is now willing to start its own business with a partner. Our motto is that the standards for mainstream web products are generally way higher than on adult web products, we'd like to rebuild existing products with the same high quality user experiences/interfaces as in mainstream.
Have a nice day,
Gérald
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Gerald
I scraped the public custom video requests which are on ELM, but I assume public requests are different from the private ones sent to a model in particular. May be wrong
You may well be wrong, when I was on ELM (I left because of the ridiculously low average prices there) a hell of a lot of the requests I got were a copy+paste of what they'd written on the public requests page with a little "dear insertmodelname, regards insertcustomername" added on. We get all types of requests, i've had 1 sentence requests and emails which i've immediately trashed because they're 2000 words long.
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Gerald
Also I'm thinking different models may cater to very different type of requests, in that case we should propose different types of forms which are adapted to each model case.
This is the best idea you've had yet. Give models as many different options as possible and let them pick which options they want to show on their form. The ones Justsometwat recommended are exactly what I have on the form on my Tumblr. Of course, I am obliged to mention that models can create a form for free, embed it in to their tumblr/website/whatever (much easier than a lot of models probably think) and take payments through whatever their preferred method is. So the advantage of using your service? Will you be providing traffic?
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Gerald
If I understand correctly, most of the "serious" requests are actually quite generic? In that case how do you handle it: do you actually make a custom video or pick one you already made that will "suit him"?
Yeah, we charge custom rates ($5-$15 per minute) for a pre-made video, coz boy do we just love to scam people! Sorry, that was sarcastic, but come on. Of course we don't (or at least, I don't). Partly because 99.9% of my custom video clients find me through clips4sale (which has every single video i've ever made except exclusive customs) and if I send them a "custom" video which has already been posted on my clip store they'd probably know it. But mainly because I work for my money and when someone pays me $5-$15 per minute, my gratitude for them spending their hard earned cash on me motivates me to give 100% to the video I make for them. Aside from the sarcastic answer, in this situation I would email back and ask for more detail. If he didn't give any more detail and genuinely wanted something extremely generic, I would make it for him and give it my all.
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So you want us to copy+paste the private emails that our customers send us?! All ethics aside, I really don't see how that could possibly help you. Every guy sends things in a different way. Some of them send a script, some of them ask for something very generic. Some of them expect us to have a film crew living in our closet. And many times it's an ongoing conversation, not a one-and-done email.
Yes, having a form to fill out could be helpful. But surely you could figure out what works by looking at the forms that models already have on their profiles and websites? The things you already listed are fine. Maybe throw in some sections for props and you'd be good to go. Or you could have a very generic form that models on your site could alter to suit their needs.
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Customs4U already does this. Alas they don't seem to have any traffic. Traffic would help you stand out!
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scarlettbelle
And many times it's an ongoing conversation, not a one-and-done email.
This is a very important point!
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Let's just take a moment and read what others have responded, see how they all say what I said? It's because it's the same for all of us. You do not need to see private messages to gather the information we've told you.
Customers value their privacy, many have even been upset when models use their script in their descriptions rather than us writing our own when we resell the videos. I don't think many would be happy that we are posting them for all to see.
Of course models all offer different things, I don't offer taboo, pee, period, scat, gang bang, or threesome videos -among many other things - but lots of models do. Some models like some on elm offer 30 minute long videos for $10 or less, some charge 100x that amount. You can gather as much information as you'd like but there's not going to be some grand revelation that allows you to make some amazing website that everyone will flock to.
You need a form like I suggested, like already exists and you need stellar traffic. Then you need great payment processors, speedy payouts and a high percentage.
What you're trying to develop has been done before and will be done again after you're long gone. Set yourself apart from everyone else, offer what others can't, but I doubt you'd be able to because you're not willing to put on the work.
I'm done. You don't see to like my horribly spent time replying, Mr snarkypants
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Hello everyone,
Okay then, given your feedbacks I'll assume public and private requests are similar and will work with the ELM ones to try and find patterns. I did not think transferring the body of the email would be a privacy concern as it would be anonymous data to us.
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This is the best idea you've had yet. Give models as many different options as possible and let them pick which options they want to show on their form.
Yes agreed, the form would be customizable and options added/removed. We could also provide the ability to generate different forms for the sake of A/B testing, so that each half of your customers are displayed one of the form and the analytics let you know which one works best. Would you be interested in such a feature or does that sound like too much efforts?
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So the advantage of using your service? Will you be providing traffic?
We thought payment processing with a high revshare (~85%) is a strong advantage, but what do you currently use to process payments for your customers contacting you directly? Does a 15% cut still sounds too high for using us to process payments compared to other solutions available?
We would not provide the traffic at first, or very few since it needs time to build up, but that would be the second move after getting the solution straight up. We want customers to be able to submit forms publicly so that performers can reply a proposal. Kinda similar to what ELM is proposing but with more professional features (inspired from freelance sites) such as notifications when a request suits a performer interest - depending on price, type of content, desired quality of the footage, customer who already made purchases etc.
Also another advantage besides streamlining the process would be that each performer is considered as an affiliate, so when you get the ~85% payout on your sale it would actually be ~65% + ~20%. Those ~20% are earned on any sales arising from the customer, when they are requesting videos from other performers as well.
We know ELM and C4U already do similar things as we are describing, and I may be called snarky again, but I think there's room for improvement in the execution.
Concerning the fact that requests for custom videos are ongoing discussions, we thought the initial form submitted by the customer would be the basis for discussion upon which the performer could validate / comment / counter-propose on the various elements of the scenario. This way all the information would be centralized and easily accessible, the form would act like an "agreement" between the parties instead of exchanging lengthy emails. What do you think about it?
@justsometwat: I do like your answers and hope you'll keep replying. I'm not sure why you're convinced I'm not willing to put in the efforts. I'm not sure what snarky means exactly either, english is not my native language are definitions are either relatively positive or negative.
Have a nice sunday,
Gérald
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Gerald
We thought payment processing with a high revshare (~85%) is a strong advantage, but what do you currently use to process payments for your customers contacting you directly? Does a 15% cut still sounds too high for using us to process payments compared to other solutions available?
You haven't even researched payment processors! How are you supposed to know if only keeping 15% will cover your overhead? There was a company that kept (I believe) 40% and they are having issues paying models. Would you be covering chargebacks? It would suck to make a video worth $250 just to get a chargeback a month later. Do you have enough start up money to cover the first few months of bills and payments? Rarely does a start up not run into monetary issues when they begin.
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Gerald
We would not provide the traffic at first, or very few since it needs time to build up, but that would be the second move after getting the solution straight up.
Not everyone has a following that they can/are willing to drag to a new site. Getting 85% with zero traffic gives me $0. That means 0 incentive to use your site. We have a camgirl run site (a person we trust, know, and does her best to make everyone happy) that offers 85%. But her site has always be marketed as an indy option/ alternate to big box sites/ way to have payment processing when we don't have our own processors. You have to give us a reason to direct our existing traffic to your site. (Especially on this forum) We aren't keen on burning our bridges or abandoning site that may be "flawed" but is bringing us an income just because someone comes around waving high payout percentages in our faces. Why is using your site more beneficial to me than the sites we are currently utilizing?
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Gerald
Also another advantage besides streamlining the process would be that each performer is considered as an affiliate, so when you get the ~85% payout on your sale it would actually be ~65% + ~20%. Those ~20% are earned on any sales arising from the customer, when they are requesting videos from other performers as well.
This is not 85% payout. It is a 65% payout and additional 20% for anything the customer pays for. If the customer purchasing from me is not a customer I brought in, I would get 65%. The model that brought the customer to the site would get 20% on that sale I just made, not me. It is only 85% IF they sign up under my link and order from me.
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Gerald
We know ELM and C4U already do similar things as we are describing, and I may be called snarky again, but I think there's room for improvement in the execution.
If you think you can improve the process, then just do it. Basics are already there, add your improvements or take out the things you believe are hindering the process. I think you see room for improvement only because you see models bitch about the imperfections since YOU are asking US how to fix this site for you.
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Hello Aurora,
I have researched high-risk payment service providers and their B2B solutions. I meant how do you process payment in case of someone contacting you directly in your case, e.g. I contact you via email and we have a deal for a custom video at $100? Would you ask me to use the site you mentioned, which is LCMS I believe, to send you a gift card or.. ?
Concerning the overheads, we've be working on financial models and yes 15% is enough but it requires a larger volume than 40% indeed. We do have start-up money for covering the few months.
Chargebacks is a trickier question and I do not have a definitive answer yet. There are different cases to consider and imho there are cases where we would not cover chargebacks: for example if the custom video sent does not match the scenario which was agreed upon; or if we are suspicious there could be a scheme to make money on our back (a new model with no track record getting a couple of sales which are all chargebacked later on for example).
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Not everyone has a following that they can/are willing to drag to a new site.
Agreed. But during the launch phase we will attempt to cater only to those people who are willing too. If we cannot convince them to onboard, it means something is wrong with our product/strategy and must be corrected. And until then it would be basically worthless to performers who cannot bring demand.
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Why is using your site more beneficial to me than the sites we are currently utilizing?
I think - hope? - it would be better to direct your fanbase toward our site since it would supposedly run smoothly and offer a higher payout than the competition for direct sales you generate. When I see a performer with X thousand followers linking back to his C4S store on Twitter for example, I think it's a bad option since you are basically making the marketing for C4S which is not compensating you for it: your cut remains the same. What do you think about it?
Regarding the initial simple product, the custom form for video requests, it should save you time by streamlining the transaction - discussion, validation, escrow and content delivery - as well as increasing the average customer's spending for a custom by upselling: your lingerie, sextoys and other offers would be showcased to tempt the customer into adding extras.
Essentially what we will be doing with this form is structuring information. Structured information is good because it will allow us to match demands with the relevant performers, contrarily to ELM which is simply listing all the different public requests for you to search through. If someone wants a video featuring 3 performers, an HD camera and (...) we'll know and let the relevant performers know there's a job they could do - assuming it matches your personal criterias, for example you may have set a minimum price -. Hell, we could even know you most likely have already made a similar custom video in the past that you could resell (not sure that is an okay practice though).
That really is our initial focus and I do not want to try and list awesome features/benefits that "will" exist. I do not think you'd trust any of this, and that would be the right thing to do.
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This is not 85% payout. It is a 65% payout and additional 20% for anything the customer pays for. If the customer purchasing from me is not a customer I brought in, I would get 65%. The model that brought the customer to the site would get 20% on that sale I just made, not me. It is only 85% IF they sign up under my link and order from me.
You are correct. The tracking mechanic would be slightly different though: you would always get the ~85% for "direct sales", i.e. someone who just came from your personal tracked link and made a purchase - even if that person was already signed up via another affiliate, in that case the other affiliate would not get his 20% on your direct sale -. If you direct someone to the site through your personal tracked link and he signs up, you would get 20% revenue share on all his purchases except direct sales of other models.
If we generate you a sale, for example someone you did not refer who finds your profile and make a purchase, in that case you would get ~65%.
Is that clear enough? What's your take on it?
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Originally Posted by Aurora14
If you think you can improve the process, then just do it. Basics are already there, add your improvements or take out the things you believe are hindering the process. I think you see room for improvement only because you see models bitch about the imperfections since YOU are asking US how to fix this site for you.
We're fond of lean approaches actually (Lean Start-up is a pretty damn good business book if you like reading) and value feedback a lot, that's why I attempt to openly discuss our idea even prior to building. If we'd just build what we think is right while staying in our ivory tower, chances are it would just arrive on the market and be pretty useless to everyone. That's why whenever you share about things which matters to you it is immensely valuable to us.
There's 3 things we want to make happen/fix basically:
1) A payout structure which compensates fairly for referring your customers to our site, being a useful tool for indy performers
2) Structuring the information so that the good requests arrive to the good performers, in a clear and concise way
3) Great user experience & interface so that it's quick & easy for customers and performers to handle requests
Gérald
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Edit: Jeez I am really terrible with double posts, sorry
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Wow. Do your own research.
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Hello Audritwo
I have done my own research and asking/purchasing samples of requests was part of it. So far nobody is willing to share those but scraped about 12000 of them on ELM.
If someone is willing to share requests we can have a deal, I am still interested.
Also asking models for input is part of the research since cam models would be part of our user base, I duly noted the feedbacks. If you have something to share about the product idea I would be greatly interested to hear it from you
Regards,
Gérald
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I smell another failed clip business such as FetMeOver. I feel sorry for anyone who will sign up for your future company because they might not get paid. By the way, there is already a few European companies that everyone can stick to such as Youkandy.com :)
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Gerald
Hello Audritwo
I have done my own research and asking/purchasing samples of requests was part of it. So far nobody is willing to share those but scraped about 12000 of them on ELM.
If someone is willing to share requests we can have a deal, I am still interested.
Also asking models for input is part of the research since cam models would be part of our user base, I duly noted the feedbacks. If you have something to share about the product idea I would be greatly interested to hear it from you
Regards,
Gérald
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Here ya go! http://extralunchmoney.com/requests
I know it maybe hard to believe, but 99% of the emails we receive look like those in the elm request section. c4u has an awesome request section and I get a decent amount of traffic through them. Also, c4u pays out 80% for tributes which is the best I've seen thus far & considering the amount of charge backs I'm sure they get, it's hard to believe anyone could do better in that department. payment processing is high risk stuff, which is why most sites don't pay above 60%.
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Hello,
@Caramelcraze: Thanks for the info. It's nice that you get traffic from C4U, on Ambercutie some models shared not getting any. Would you say there are differences between ELM and C4U? For example about the price customers are willing to pay for a custom?
You are right about chargebacks and the 80% which is hard to beat. With the research I've done, I think a company could pay up to 85% but not more.
@DonaDiabla: I am not sure what makes you say that from a few forum threads? It's an easy prophecy to make anyway, since most start-ups fail and there's always a chance that some creditors might not get paid. I hope we will prove you wrong and you take a minute of your time to have a look at the product when it's launched :)
Have a nice day,
Gérald
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Lol, the only thing that matters is TRAFFIC. CAN YOU GET TRAFFIC TO YOUR SITE?! Not these custom fillout forms. TRAFFIC. I don't care if you payout is 40%. 85% of $0 is still $0.
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Hello Audritwo,
Quality traffic builds up slowly overtime, so yes we can get traffic and we want to do so indeed, but before this we need to provide our users with something useful to them besides traffic. Otherwise, it is a chicken and egg problem: models do not sign up because there is no traffic, or traffic is useless as there are no models.
What we want to provide is a better way for models to handle custom video requests from their existing customer base: a neat solution with better payouts so that it already makes sense working with us before we can bring you customers on our own (and that when we do bring customers, we already have models signed up who they can request from).
Do not you think the ability to get your customers pay by credit card directly for your services while you keep ~85% would be useful?
Regards,
Gérald
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Gerald
Do not you think the ability to get your customers pay by credit card directly for your services while you keep ~85% would be useful?
I certainly do. Which is why I use LCMS.