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Fetish Girls: Beware of FinScammers
Wanted to share my experience here:
Are you into femdom or findom? Do you have guys contacting you left and right for sessions tributes and games?
Ive learned to choose my specimens wisely and still, regs will test me and I will have to cut them off.
I want to thank the ladies in my "When the Customer Doesn't Know What He Wants" thread for helping me come to today's conclusion.
Earlier this year, I was contacted when I was still on MFC if he could play some FINDOM games with me. I explored a little with him on the terms he'd always pay and he sent me a script via gmail on how he liked to play. It consisted of him popping an ambien, and then being told to make payments. I'm not a physician or a therapist so I went along with it under the conditions...he always paid.
This guy guy showed me red flags and when he did I'd cut him off for long periods of time. He'd sometimes send me $100 out of the blue and we'd play a some transfer games.
Today was one of those days. He long ago sent me a word for word script of an Ambien game he liked playing. He enjoyed taking an ambien, and then being told to make payments. He said long ago he felt I was too fair and wanted me to manipulate him.
well, we play and guess what? After transferring funds he says "I need you to send the money back. You scammed me"
He insisted I send him funds back via Square after he sent Google Wallet funds. Really? So not only was he trying to get funds back but scam me into giving funds on one platform and then most likely would've cancelled the original transaction as well.
This money doesn't at all make or break me but really puts into perspective how many guys are out for our time and attention. Always be on alert and always go with your intuition.
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Wouldn't lift another finger for him, send screenshots and tell him to take it up with MFC. Terrible..sorry you had to deal with that jerk.
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Oh, and maybe I'm heartless but I have zero remorse. In no way shape or form did I bring this upon him. He took the ambien and then contacted me. Willingly sent funds. Gave me the script on how to talk to him. Then, wanted to complain about it. Special breed of scum here...
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Sub guys happen to be pain in the ass quite a lot. When I sensor too much talking, being too fussy, I just say no and ban/ignore them because some of them are trying to play you around, they are not into being dominated they want to domme a domme instead and get one into trouble with their games. I am not playing with all people who want to because it all means cash, if it smells like shit I leave it there, I don't need their trouble money. Just follow your intuition.
Now it is time to show him who is the boss
Punching inda fucking face would be great, but you just do what you can.
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This dude is all over my timeline on twitter right now. He pulled this stunt with a few people. Part of what I see by following "timewaster" twitter accounts. I see a LOT of retweets and they are mostly from dommes that give away so much before getting paid first.
As soon as the guy asks if he can tribute or send me money then starts talking about punishments and tasks, I tell him that I will talk to him when I have gotten my tribute or gift card. Plain and simple. I am not rude or demanding, I just tell him I'll hit him back up when it's in my email. 95% of the time I never hear back from the guy and he never sends payment, that's because they weren't going to do it in the first place.
I see the screenshots when the domme's try to out them and it's like an hour plus of the domme chitchatting with this random person and then they get angry when they don't follow through. Well, no shit, why pay? You gave them everything for free!
I go through that "timewaster's" twitter account and look at his tweets, if it's a lot of tweets at dommes saying "dm me" "get on cam and verify" then likely they are just scamming. They are especially fake or a TW if they keep calling every domme that doesn't comply a fake.
You can even use the search bar on twitter and search for that person to see what other people have tweeted about them. Just use "@justsometwat" (obviously with their username and not mine :P) then click the tab for LIVE and not TOP so you can see recent tweets first.
If a sub approaches you and you tell him how YOU do things and he counters with how HE wants you to do things, then that should be your first red flag. If you don't offer that shit and he wants to do it differently than how you're comfortable with then cut him loose. I see too many dommes give in and do it the guy's way and then get burned.
All of that being said, don't accept payment from services that can easily be refunded. Gift rocket can be refunded for months after the transaction, PayPal will ban you and take your money and can be charged back for months after it happens. Cash.me doesn't approve of adult transactions and can get your account banned. Google wallet doesn't allow adult transactions. There's so many more! All it takes is one person reporting you and you get banned and they keep your money!
Sorry for the lengthy response!
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I've reported this guy to Google Wallet customer service as I have months worthy of evidence from him initiating contact with me. To be honest, I'd only talk to him if he sent me a tribute and if he would email without one id ignore him. I have a few emails where I specifically asked him to not contact me anymore. Since our chats were never sexual in nature and no photos or webcamming ever exchanged I went ahead and contacted Google.
They're currently launching an investigation on him and yes I still have my account.
He reported me for adult services supposedly but I've reported him for doing the same. After all, if someone says "please stop contacting me." And a guy goes "I just sent you $100 on Google Wallet and it got me so hard" I forwarded it to Google.
If I lose my account, this fucker is too.
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This is why I never take payment outside the site I meet the guy on. Too many opportunities for scammers, and there is NO reason they cannot sign up or send money through a legit site. Prepaid cards work fine to sign up to a cam site.
Usually these types want to use something that is not an adult payment processor because they know they can then use that leverage to scam you.
If I get contacted through my website or my email or twitter then I will have him sign up through me to SM, Niteflirt, with my affiliate code or send him to my link on livecammodelshows. Most will disappear because they know they cannot easily get their money back or scam me that way.
If he refuses then I block him.
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Originally Posted by
xCamLovex
Wanted to share my experience here:
Are you into femdom or findom? Do you have guys contacting you left and right for sessions tributes and games?
Ive learned to choose my specimens wisely and still, regs will test me and I will have to cut them off.
I want to thank the ladies in my "When the Customer Doesn't Know What He Wants" thread for helping me come to today's conclusion.
Earlier this year, I was contacted when I was still on MFC if he could play some FINDOM games with me. I explored a little with him on the terms he'd always pay and he sent me a script via gmail on how he liked to play. It consisted of him popping an ambien, and then being told to make payments. I'm not a physician or a therapist so I went along with it under the conditions...he always paid.
This guy guy showed me red flags and when he did I'd cut him off for long periods of time. He'd sometimes send me $100 out of the blue and we'd play a some transfer games.
Today was one of those days. He long ago sent me a word for word script of an Ambien game he liked playing. He enjoyed taking an ambien, and then being told to make payments. He said long ago he felt I was too fair and wanted me to manipulate him.
well, we play and guess what? After transferring funds he says "I need you to send the money back. You scammed me"
He insisted I send him funds back via Square after he sent Google Wallet funds. Really? So not only was he trying to get funds back but scam me into giving funds on one platform and then most likely would've cancelled the original transaction as well.
This money doesn't at all make or break me but really puts into perspective how many guys are out for our time and attention. Always be on alert and always go with your intuition.
any loser that needs to be "forced" into spending money(forced intox, team viewer, etc), is going to cry about it later and cry "frauuuddd/scam" . Catch my drift? He just feels guilty he spent money, block his ass or he'll do it to you again. I avoid these types at all costs.
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Guy comes back and says "I didn't remember anything. Let's play again" I said I hope you burn in hell and get sodomized by fire breathing demons. On a real note, money is never the issue. I absolutely can't stand when people think it's the catalyst for how they can treat you. Hell to the maw to the naw naw naw.
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Originally Posted by
xCamLovex
Guy comes back and says "I didn't remember anything. Let's play again" I said I hope you burn in hell and get sodomized by fire breathing demons. On a real note, money is never the issue. I absolutely can't stand when people think it's the catalyst for how they can treat you. Hell to the maw to the naw naw naw.
LOL at how scammers ALWAYS act like they had a blackout and cant remember a thing. Like we are so easy to oversmart.
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I don't doubt your story at all, but I have to ask-- how familiar are you with using ambien to financially dominate someone? I've used it with great success, but learned early on not to leave a "paper trail," by which I mean no chatlog. It's so much easier to get a drugged submissive to pay if you're speaking to him on the phone that I'd advise not using chat at all, but if there was some chat that lead up to it, or it's a rare chat session, I make sure to get the submissive's password while he's still under so I can sign into his account when I'm done and clean up the history.
I also make it a habit to sign in and delete any notification emails letting him know payments were made. A surprising number of money slaves are too ashamed or full of self-loathing to login to their accounts regularly, and trust that whatever balance they have left is accurate. That means that with some careful deleting you can take payments he will never know he sent. Worst case, he'll find them a week or two later and be unsure of what happened and trust that he brought it on himself.
I have no idea what happened to you, or why a submissive who apparently willingly took ambien later said you scammed him, but perhaps the above advice will help you exploit him, or others, in the future.
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Originally Posted by
xCamLovex
Wanted to share my experience here:
Are you into femdom or findom? Do you have guys contacting you left and right for sessions tributes and games?
Ive learned to choose my specimens wisely and still, regs will test me and I will have to cut them off.
I want to thank the ladies in my "When the Customer Doesn't Know What He Wants" thread for helping me come to today's conclusion.
Earlier this year, I was contacted when I was still on MFC if he could play some FINDOM games with me. I explored a little with him on the terms he'd always pay and he sent me a script via gmail on how he liked to play. It consisted of him popping an ambien, and then being told to make payments. I'm not a physician or a therapist so I went along with it under the conditions...he always paid.
This guy guy showed me red flags and when he did I'd cut him off for long periods of time. He'd sometimes send me $100 out of the blue and we'd play a some transfer games.
Today was one of those days. He long ago sent me a word for word script of an Ambien game he liked playing. He enjoyed taking an ambien, and then being told to make payments. He said long ago he felt I was too fair and wanted me to manipulate him.
well, we play and guess what? After transferring funds he says "I need you to send the money back. You scammed me"
He insisted I send him funds back via Square after he sent Google Wallet funds. Really? So not only was he trying to get funds back but scam me into giving funds on one platform and then most likely would've cancelled the original transaction as well.
This money doesn't at all make or break me but really puts into perspective how many guys are out for our time and attention. Always be on alert and always go with your intuition.
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Originally Posted by
xCamLovex
It consisted of him popping an ambien, and then being told to make payments. I'm not a physician or a therapist so I went along with it under the conditions...he always paid.
So he likes to ride the walrus?
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Let's not forget the most common scammer, which I ran into last night. I had a guy come in and beg me to findom him, then when I agreed he disappeared. Apparently he wanted only talk. Psh he'll be paying if he ever wants to come back to me.
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I hear about this sort of guy, but never seem to encounter him. My belief, perhaps naive, is that any guy who expresses an interest in findom is ready to pay, and if he doesn't it's a failure on the part of the domme.
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Originally Posted by
Rispy_Girl
Let's not forget the most common scammer, which I ran into last night. I had a guy come in and beg me to findom him, then when I agreed he disappeared. Apparently he wanted only talk. Psh he'll be paying if he ever wants to come back to me.
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Originally Posted by
Evil_Asian
I hear about this sort of guy, but never seem to encounter him. My belief, perhaps naive, is that any guy who expresses an interest in findom is ready to pay, and if he doesn't it's a failure on the part of the domme.
It's not necessarily the fault of the dom but the style of the dom. There is an art to financial domination and it's unfortunately not, "give me $1000 dollars" and that's it. The financial sub, wants a well-crafted, artfully, strategically executed plan of action from an intelligent, truly brilliant woman who can drain his wallet as well as she can drain his balls.
Edited to add: essentially, all of us are financial doms.
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Originally Posted by
Evil_Asian
I hear about this sort of guy, but never seem to encounter him. My belief, perhaps naive, is that any guy who expresses an interest in findom is ready to pay, and if he doesn't it's a failure on the part of the domme.
I'm not so sure about that, I've been approached by a lot of people who as it turns out are totally fucking broke. They like to talk about it but they can't pay, no different from any other kind of freeloader. But it's nice when someone real comes around.
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Originally Posted by
hyori
It's not necessarily the fault of the dom but the style of the dom. There is an art to financial domination and it's unfortunately not, "give me $1000 dollars" and that's it. The financial sub, wants a well-crafted, artfully, strategically executed plan of action from an intelligent, truly brilliant woman who can drain his wallet as well as she can drain his balls.
Edited to add: essentially, all of us are financial doms.
I also feel it's important to note that doing this online using third party payment processors is where many Models in general get scammed. Even with tributes via wishlist...I think we all know how easily those can be reversed. Thanks to technology we can be paid and scammed at the very same time.
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i get a lot of finsubs telling me they wanna pay, i tell them to leave a tribute on my site if they are real and the we go from there.....of course less than 2% really pay but the ones who do pay, need a good work around them.
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I tend to stick to Google Wallet, and haven't had a problem. If you are keeping your subs in check they aren't going to initiate chargebacks, and Google, to my knowledge anyway, won't do so on their own the way Paypal or Square Cash will.
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Originally Posted by
xCamLovex
I also feel it's important to note that doing this online using third party payment processors is where many Models in general get scammed. Even with tributes via wishlist...I think we all know how easily those can be reversed. Thanks to technology we can be paid and scammed at the very same time.
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I think you're leaving a lot of money on the table. Rare is the sub who will pay without some guidance. 2% sounds about right. The other 98% will pay if you ease them into it, and take the time to establish a relationship and set rules.
When someone reaches out to me about financial domination, I get them into chat asap. I find out what they want, why they want it, and how they want it, and then I give them what they've asked for. It requires some work up front, and the first 5 to 30 minutes of chat or cam time is on me, but in nearly every case they start paying, and when they do it more than compensates for the time spent grooming them. Once in a while a guy bails, but that's pretty rare. 9 out 10 times after the initial foreplay they hit ATM mode.
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SylvySinclair
i get a lot of finsubs telling me they wanna pay, i tell them to leave a tribute on my site if they are real and the we go from there.....of course less than 2% really pay but the ones who do pay, need a good work around them.
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Originally Posted by
Evil_Asian
I think you're leaving a lot of money on the table. Rare is the sub who will pay without some guidance. 2% sounds about right. The other 98% will pay if you ease them into it, and take the time to establish a relationship and set rules.
When someone reaches out to me about financial domination, I get them into chat asap. I find out what they want, why they want it, and how they want it, and then I give them what they've asked for. It requires some work up front, and the first 5 to 30 minutes of chat or cam time is on me, but in nearly every case they start paying, and when they do it more than compensates for the time spent grooming them. Once in a while a guy bails, but that's pretty rare. 9 out 10 times after the initial foreplay they hit ATM mode.
interesting....i never thought of giving cam for free coz in most cases these guys are time wasters, but maybe im wrong and they just need to see that im a real domme and wont just take their money away. i will change a lil my mo and see how it goes. ty
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I just wanted to point out to any Domme who reads the above message to protect themselves. I don't know who "evil asian" is but being a new account on SW and promoting talking to "finsubs for 5-30 minutes" to "see what they want"...do that if u just purely love talking but if you are in this to make money and not have ransom losers waste your time, this is NEVER the way to go. It is also NOT on a dommes fault if a chargeback happens. The main idea here is to keep the power in our hands and be aware of scams.
I look at your amounts of posts Evil and how you immediately came on this board telling girls to put themselves out there and I have to question it.
Do not offer free skype chat ANYTHING. Fine for the girls who wanna Twitter Domme and ask for shit on their Amazon wishlist but those aren't necessarily professional models or women who are trying to buy a home with income they made from camming. Even if you get thousands from Google wallet how will you prove this income?
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Originally Posted by
Evil_Asian
I tend to stick to Google Wallet, and haven't had a problem. If you are keeping your subs in check they aren't going to initiate chargebacks, and Google, to my knowledge anyway, won't do so on their own the way Paypal or Square Cash will.
4 posts total on SW telling girls to spend exuberant time on Skype with "finsubs" to "see what they want" please read through this ladies...
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i see her message as something to do a balance between the way i do business and the way she supposedly does hers and i think that a middle term is the way to go....i mean, there are real subs there, but the same way we think they are time wasters i suppose they think that of us as well, so maybe hear a bit and see what they want, and then go from there, probably is not a bad idea. of course, twats will remain twats but then our gut tell us so and we can just block them.
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SylvySinclair
i see her message as something to do a balance between the way i do business and the way she supposedly does hers and i think that a middle term is the way to go....i mean, there are real subs there, but the same way we think they are time wasters i suppose they think that of us as well, so maybe hear a bit and see what they want, and then go from there, probably is not a bad idea. of course, twats will remain twats but then our gut tell us so and we can just block them.
There are great finsubs out there. They will gladly pay you in a way that doesn't involve free chat or third party payment processing. Of course there are good guys on skype as well but i think most of us can slightly agree that it's like having a one night stand without a condom. You are really taking a risk. In my case it was riding the Ambien Walrus with a psycho. not worth my time or money. Considering now I have finsubs who pay by the minute and send tips during the show or just send a big tip offline. No chargebacks and fuck their Ambien walrus guilt. Now that's hot!