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Is Being A Sugar Baby Considered Adult Work or Sex Industry?
I am curious as what societies view on Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationships are. I notice on Sugar Baby websites and books they are quick to say they are not escorts. I don't know if thats to cover their a$$es from the illegal sex in exchange for money part or if its to distance and differentiate from being a part of the adult industry. or both.
Im thinking about getting into Sugaring cause I want to retire from dancing very soon. But, I am worried though if someone finds out it may be like dancing where the woman is considered a 'whore' and people would use it against me in some oppressive way.
Id probably still do it over dancing though just cause I don't like paying a club hefty percentages and having no control over the operations (like random fee increases, paying staff who act unprofessional, paying djs only to be forced to dance to sucky music, paying bouncers only to discover they do not kick out asshole patrons, etc)
Would this be something to keep secret like dancing? Or is it no big deal if someone were to find out?
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It kind of aggravates me that sb websites are adamant they are different than the rest of the adult industry, when by definition sugaring blatantly falls under the definition of sex work, but I optimistically imagine that it is for legal reasons, i.e. writing a book on "how to be a ho" is going to cause problems. That's much better than the probable alternative of sugar babies seeing themselves as "better" than escorts.
In any case I still don't think society is accepting at all of sugaring. Regardless of whether you pursue things as a platonic baby, hustle more as a "spoiled girlfriend" who doesn't have a set allowance, whatever... society is still going to see it as an old guy paying a young woman for sex.
Like dancing, there may be people that you can chat about with it, but I definitely wouldn't out myself.
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I think it depends on what kind of relationship you end up having. If you end "dating" only one guy in his 40s that's in shape for a long time, why would this look strange to anyone? On the other hand, if you're seeing multiple guys in their 70s it will look very different to people. Also, some parts of the country, like South Florida, have a culture where this is much more accepted. The girls I've been with have gotten comments, almost always from other women. But it's more about being a gold digger than an escort.
Also, look at the number of articles written about sugar babies. It certainly is being talked about. When you read an article about escorts, it's almost always about prostitution busts and stings. They always mention under age girls or human trafficking when they talk about escorts. When you read about sugar babies it almost always about collage age girls paying off their student loans. It seems very different how these are both handled.
Whether you call it sex work depends on what type of relationship you decide to have. One woman on this website said a guy gave her money, gifts, and a breast augmentation without having sex at all. I don't know much about escorts but my impression is that you meet, have sex, and then leave. That seems different than going to parties, events, and vacations together. It seems that some girls that escort don't like being sugar babies because it requires too much attachment/emotions. They must be very different if some women prefer one over the other.
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Imo it's still sex work that's trying to pretend it's not. From what I've seen and heard, most guys on those sites are looking for escorts who aren't professionals and will charge less. Also guys never want to know you were a stripper, or did any kind of sex work (I think many want to feel like their not paying for it). It's kind of ironic. I found the best sugar relationships happened organically and not from those sites. If you do try it out be prepared for many wanna be white knights. Also most girls who claim they made bank off a guy (money, presents, etc) without sleeping with them, I call bs on. It does happen but it's rare to have a guy that long without eventually being intimate. I would keep it on the dl if you decide to sugar, many do look down on it, just like stripping.
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NoRegrets
I think it depends on what kind of relationship you end up having. If you end "dating" only one guy in his 40s that's in shape for a long time, why would this look strange to anyone? On the other hand, if you're seeing multiple guys in their 70s it will look very different to people. Also, some parts of the country, like South Florida, have a culture where this is much more accepted. The girls I've been with have gotten comments, almost always from other women. But it's more about being a gold digger than an escort.
Also, look at the number of articles written about sugar babies. It certainly is being talked about. When you read an article about escorts, it's almost always about prostitution busts and stings. They always mention under age girls or human trafficking when they talk about escorts. When you read about sugar babies it almost always about collage age girls paying off their student loans. It seems very different how these are both handled.
Whether you call it sex work depends on what type of relationship you decide to have. One woman on this website said a guy gave her money, gifts, and a breast augmentation without having sex at all. I don't know much about escorts but my impression is that you meet, have sex, and then leave. That seems different than going to parties, events, and vacations together. It seems that some girls that escort don't like being sugar babies because it requires too much attachment/emotions. They must be very different if some women prefer one over the other.
There's actually a ton of overlap between the two. There's sugar babies that charge per meet and do have sex and would insist they aren't escorts, and I know escort friends that have long term clients that do things like taking them on vacation, to parties, events, or having strictly platonic visits. Ultimately whether a sugar baby defines themselves as a sex worker or not is really whether or not they're honest with themselves about what it is they're doing, and whether they feel they are "above" the label of sex worker.
It would also be wrong to assume that all sugar babies have emotions towards their sugar daddy, or that escorts never develop any for clients.
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^^^i was just going to ask that. Do sugar babies and sugar daddies fall in love and take things more serious or is it like a friends with benefits kind of thing?
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I think it's just as looked down upon and judged in society as dancing is. Every time I see someone post an article about sugaring or catch a talkshow where the topic is sugar babies, there are never any nice comments. The people on the shows go on and on about how it's so much better to wait tables than "sell your body," and all the comments I've ever seen on facebook are about how disgusting and degrading it is and how so-and-so would NEVER stoop so low... I would keep it to yourself, same as dancing.
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I would say that being a sugar baby is apart of the sex industry but it was more secretive. However, it more based on if each sugar baby thinks they are sex workers or not.Actually, it falls more in that grey area like being an green-card bride or girls who sell their virginities. Those things are sex work as well but people do not know how to reacted to them.For example, some Brazilian 19 year old want to sell her virginity and people was tearing her apart.Or some poor Jamaican girl married this American GI in a fake wedding because she did not want to be killed by a drug lord. But people still talked crapped about them because how dare they use sex and relationships in order to make money or have a better life. People will still say that it is disgusting and degrading for you to do as a woman if they find out about sugaring.Humans just get very pissy when it comes to sex, money and relationships. Everyone wants to pretend they have so high morals but they really do not. As far as keeping it yourself, I would be highly selective on who you tell about your sugaring career.Sugar babies must be a little discreet about their sugar relationships until she get to the point in which she does not care. :)
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miss.a.p1600
I am curious as what societies view on Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationships are. I notice on Sugar Baby websites and books they are quick to say they are not escorts. I don't know if thats to cover their a$$es from the illegal sex in exchange for money part or if its to distance and differentiate from being a part of the adult industry. or both.
Im thinking about getting into Sugaring cause I want to retire from dancing very soon. But, I am worried though if someone finds out it may be like dancing where the woman is considered a 'whore' and people would use it against me in some oppressive way.
Id probably still do it over dancing though just cause I don't like paying a club hefty percentages and having no control over the operations (like random fee increases, paying staff who act unprofessional, paying djs only to be forced to dance to sucky music, paying bouncers only to discover they do not kick out asshole patrons, etc)
Would this be something to keep secret like dancing? Or is it no big deal if someone were to find out?
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miss.a.p1600
^^^i was just going to ask that. Do sugar babies and sugar daddies fall in love and take things more serious or is it like a friends with benefits kind of thing?
For me it's mostly friends with benefits, without drama. If you're not comfortable hanging out together it doesn't work. With one women it developed into something more. We ended up living together and she no longer wanted an allowance.
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Actually, it depends on the sugar baby/sugar daddy arrangement. You could be anything with your sugar daddy including just friends, lovers, Master-sub, Mistress-sub, benefactor/beneficiary, or even having a patronage type of relationship. It could be all of these or none of these. But having a pure platonic arrangement can mean that you have a lower allowance. You can get a higher allowance with a tighter platonic girlfriend or even a chaste hustle :) I hope this helps answer your questions.
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miss.a.p1600
^^^i was just going to ask that. Do sugar babies and sugar daddies fall in love and take things more serious or is it like a friends with benefits kind of thing?
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miss.a.p1600
^^^i was just going to ask that. Do sugar babies and sugar daddies fall in love and take things more serious or is it like a friends with benefits kind of thing?
I've seen girls who were in a sugar relationship fall in love and get married but most of them started in a strip club and moved away from a dancer/customer relationship. So I guess that counts?
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I absolutely do. We can sugar coat it as much as we'd like(pardon the pun :D). We all still do the same work. We offer our services and companionship for money be in through an allowance, or dinner dates, or even friendship/non-sex. But humans as a whole whore themselves out in their perspective careers and talents so it's not a bad thing at all. We all have to survive on this planet. I prefer to call a spade a spade. In college I went out on several SD dates where I got $300 to meet and dinner, no sex as we were trying to set up an arrangement. All but one didn't include 'sex' and he was one who I used a toy on, so I fucked him and not the other way around, lol. I also have a few virtual SD with no nudity, etc. but I'm still heuxing and hustling them. It's still sex work and the sex industry. It's just another branch.
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Yes, technically, it is still sex work. SuperJa, is right though, in that some of the participants are trying to lie to themselves to rationalize and compartmentalize it.
I do think that unlike dancing and camming, your risk of being outted is pretty low. I have had to come to realize that my mom and her best friend we probably sugar babies in their '20s. Sometimes these guys would come over to see either my mom or her best friend, usually it was the same guys. I remember they weren't around as much as her other boyfriends were. It was typically a few times a month or often 2-3 days in a row. They were usually older and better dressed and would either give them money or take some of their bills (like the gas bill or rent or whatever) and agree to pay them for us.
I do remember being told not mention anything to anyone, or in the case of mom's friend, that one of the guys was black. I also remember being told not to tell anyone they gave her money or paid her bills, sometimes. I just figured they were nice, helpful guys. I actually hadn't thought much about it over the years until I came to this site and read about sugar daddies and babies. LOL.
So yeah, my mom was a 'ho.
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^^^Thats exactly what I want. I realize that as much as people say dancing is better than camming as far as being able to keep identity under wraps, however Ive had quite a few close calls. Plus Ive been dodging management trying to get my ID again. F*ck that.
One more question......Do you guys and ladies use a persona (since this is all supposed to be secret lifestyle)? Or do you know each others real identities? - Forgive me if this has been answered somewhere here before.
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Miss.a.p1600,
I believe in using different personas, different nicknames, and different fashions with different men :) But you should reveal your real identities but tried to keep your sugar daddies in their own sensual world. :)
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miss.a.p1600
^^^Thats exactly what I want. I realize that as much as people say dancing is better than camming as far as being able to keep identity under wraps, however Ive had quite a few close calls. Plus Ive been dodging management trying to get my ID again. F*ck that.
Lol @ your last sentence. I have no idea why I like the word hoe so much. I have to add the extra e on the end.
One more question......Do you guys and ladies use a persona (since this is all supposed to be secret lifestyle)? Or do you know each others real identities? - Forgive me if this has been answered somewhere here before.
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miss.a.p1600
Do you guys and ladies use a persona (since this is all supposed to be secret lifestyle)? Or do you know each others real identities? - Forgive me if this has been answered somewhere here before.
I don't use a persona, I use my real identity. At the beginning I don't disclose much info until I'm sure it's going to work. I can't imagine trying to keep my identity secret. When I'm at a club or restaurant I'm bound to bump into someone I know. It would be odd not being able to introduce someone I'm with. It's easier I suppose since I'm not married. All of the women I've been with for any amount of time have given me their real names. It's never been a problem.
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So Miss.a.p1600 did you give being a sugar baby a shot? What happened? It takes a lot of weeding to find a good one.
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You can say that again. And yes I'm always open for the opportunities in the sugar world.
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I don't think of sugaring as escorting. I do think it's in the adult industry though some what. I think of it as the same as marring a rich person. People look down on that as well but it's more about labels. Like strippers call their regulars sugar daddies. I don't think that counts if you're not going outside the club. Escorts may call their clients a sugar daddy as described above. Sugaring is a mutually beneficial Relationship (mostly friends with great benefits)
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I strongly prefer sugaring over dancing. It's more stable money and if you have a good sugar daddy, it can be a lot of fun. I had a really good one a few years ago and it was the best year of my life. It was pure fun, it didn't even feel like work. And its much safer than being an escort in my opinion. I kept it a big secret though, any case of a girl getting money from an older man makes you a whore in society's eyes. Not that I care, but I don't like people knowing my business, I just get my money!
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Because sugaring has gotten a tiny bit more mainstream, a new wave of prospective "sugar babies" has appeared, many of whom believe that there are tons of rich guys out there looking to pay for platonic relationships. I blame Seeking Arrangement for this; in truth I don't even think 1 in 10 is like that.
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Bahuba
Because sugaring has gotten a tiny bit more mainstream, a new wave of prospective "sugar babies" has appeared, many of whom believe that there are tons of rich guys out there looking to pay for platonic relationships. I blame Seeking Arrangement for this; in truth I don't even think 1 in 10 is like that.
Have you seen the sugar baby explosion on tumblr? In some cases it's like all out warfare on there, because now men are creating accounts to tell their sides of the story. So you have parallel worlds where one side gives advice on how to snag a sugar daddy, and then the other side gives advice on how to get as much as possible without spending money. Lots of the advice given makes me question how authentic these people are. Like are they really living the life or living out a fantasy in the form of a blog. It happens on forums too. And you're right about things being more mainstream. This applies to the sex industry as a whole I believe. I see it on twitter quite a bit where people have accounts tweeting all day getting into arguments about female empowerment in regards to sexuality but I know in reality they're just frontin. Some will follow me then will privately ask questions that if they were living the life they should know.
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Bahuba
Because sugaring has gotten a tiny bit more mainstream, a new wave of prospective "sugar babies" has appeared, many of whom believe that there are tons of rich guys out there looking to pay for platonic relationships. I blame Seeking Arrangement for this; in truth I don't even think 1 in 10 is like that.
I never understood that myth. Anybody handing over thousands of dollars to someone else just because they look good. Everybody will pony up in the end and I mean that literally. Or your shit will be repossessed.
When I said "friends with benefits " sex is included as a benefit. What I also meant was that unlike escorting it's more personal. You know real names, what school they go to, careers, hobbies, etc. From what I've learned here in escorting you quote a price on your ad or over the phone. In sugaring you meet in person to decide if you would like to spend time together and see if you can come to an agreement between the two of you if you're "compatible". It's in the details ( the difference between sugaring and escorting).
As one member who escorts put it and I don't remember the exact quote but " sugaring is dumb because you make way less and put in way more...." Kinda like the difference in stripping and camming. One is dancing and the other is porn but the person is naked in both cases.
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wish
.......I think of it as the same as marring a rich person.
Interesting. I posed a similar question a while back https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...ht=Sugar+daddy
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miss.a.p1600
Well in that thread SnuffleUffleGrass said it clearer than I ever could. "A rich (generous) person is someone you would date anyway while a sugar is someone you humor for money. "