Does anyone know if BC is Mac friendly? Thanks!
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Does anyone know if BC is Mac friendly? Thanks!
From what the model was saying, the money was taken out of her account, meaning that she did not get paid for the session. Did the website cover this chargeback?
I don't see where she mislead anyone. The guy wanted tits, the guy got tits. He didn't ask for anything other than "tits" and "hurry up".... how do you hurry up showing tits when she's been sitting there showing him exactly what he wanted for a full minute?
As I said before... how does she "hurry up" with showing him something she's already showing him that he asked for? Unless there's some sort of language barrier and he thought that "tits" meant to fuck herself with a dildo or something? Or maybe his screen froze and she didn't look like she was doing anything? Yes, he was rude making demands when she was clearly doing as he said as best she could. Who are you to say what's rude? From your site "policies" it seems we have to do everything these assholes want us to do or they get their money back. "stand on your head while doing the splits and shoving a bottle up your ass" and we're required to acquiesce to their demands or risk a chargeback?
This to me indicates a misunderstanding of how cam sites work. This may work great in indy when the customers pay for a session and arrange it with the model ahead of time, and yes, some customers on "big box" sites will do this. But the typical horny customer just wants to get off quickly. By the time he's discussed the terms of the private, he's either lost his erection or he's gotten off just talking about it and there's no private. Also, us models tend to not want to discuss private sessions outside of the private session, for the reason that in our experience many guys will talk about this supposed session but it never actually happens. They just wanted to talk about it for free.
The more I hear about this site the more I'm convinced that they really have the customer's best interest in mind far more than the model's.
Let's clarify this situation....shall we?
1. The guy wanted her to show her tits, she did show her tits.
2. The guy told her to hurry up.
3. The model found that to be rude and that it crossed her personal boundaries to be talked to like that so she banned him so she did not have to proceed with the show.
4. Bongacams has decided that the model's personal boundaries are IRRELEVANT as they get to decide when a customer is acting rude to a model or not and therefore require models to keep going with shows that cross their own personal boundaries.
5. Bongacams decides you have committed token fraud if your personal boundaries do not line up with what they decide you should be willing to do and put up with during your shows.
Am I correct with this assumption?
Ok, WOW! I am SO fucking disappointed. Looks like I just lost what WAS turning out to be a great source of side income. Cause there's NO WAY I am working for a company that puts rude members over its models, and STEALS from them even after stating there are NO REFUNDS.
YOU SUCK BONGA CAMS. YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you confirm you will be closing this loophole and stopping refunds like this? Because if not - It's a NO from me, and I won't be sending any new referrals your way either. Shity, shitty way to treat models! You should be ashamed.
Your staff should reconsider what you are doing here. By not standing behind the model and taking away a few dollars there you are really pissing off lots of us who would have been making you money. I haven't been on the site since I read about this.
She did what the member wanted. I would have banned him too for telling me to hurry up. You seem to think cam hosts are obligated to put up with this type of rudeness but few of us will.
The site will lose way more money in the end than if you stood behind the model rather than the member.
Many members dont even talk to us before joining a paid show and pretty often they dont even read our profiles, on cam sites they enter and start asking for things, we perform what it feels good to us and give the guy what he wants but then later on he might start asking for things we dont offer or even if we offer them we dont feel like giving him what he wants because the way he asks for that thing.
Example: i get a guy in paid chat & we start playing, we get along til he starts calling me names or insult me or say things i am not comfy with while asking for a specific thing so i decide i wanna ban him cause he said "Put that dildo up ur ass now, hurry up bitch, deepthroat that dildo u worthless piece of s***t, do it for me NOW! NOW!"
You know what i'll do in this situation? BAN! even i play anal, deepthroat and like dirty talk.
So what then? You give him the money back because he wanted something i was not willing to offer because i felt he crossed my boundaries?
What about the things he already got, things i performed already, are they of no value for u, am i as a model not entitled to be paid for my performance?
Be very careful guys how u manage this aspect cause is very important to know if u part with the members or with ur models.
Most times they want to scam us all, cam sites and models and not the opposite.
We cant force them to stay connected, they leave our rooms when they want but if u part with the members who abuse the system and take the money off model's pockets then that's another story.
Just made sure to let them know over on ACF too. Gutted, but not risking losing MY money. What's everyone else's plan?
Not sure what i am going to do here now as i just signed up with bonga & just tested the site, guess i'll focus on SM where i know FOR SURE i'll be paid for my performance as they never ever did such a thing in the 6 years i am on site.
And i baaaned many guys when they turned bad, always got my money to the last cent!
Word about this will spread around models like wildfire and it will hurt BongaCams in the long run. I'm a top row model on SM and was excited about giving this site a try until I discovered this horrible treatment of a model. Who are you to say what is rude?? So if a guy tells a model to hurry up and she doesn't, he can get a refund? No fucking way! I take my time in my shows and don't let the guys dictate the speed of the show. This is how you make money...Duh!!
On a cam site, the performers should come first! Always! And you've flat out lied! I'm staying away. And it's your loss BongaCams because I make bank and could have made your site some money. I will let all my model friends know about this as well.
Here I fixed it:
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^^^ All time this, it's the MODELS who make a site not the members, the members are the consumers, they come and go but the model has the potential to make all these members spend, without good models on site members have nobody to spend on so no money for u bonga!
Members follow the models, u are nothing without good performers, that's why u need to change policies if u want us on ur site.
It could be a possibility that member's internet was super slow or screen froze as someone mentioned. But still.. that's not my fault or problem.. If the site wants to refund him for that situation then they should eat the cost and still should have paid me. And let me say that I have started asking guys what they want me to do for them in pvt and some of them just leave without even telling me and I lose out on pvts.. I am scared to accept shows on there now and have been super selective.. Which sucks because I shouldn't have to feel that if the show goes awry I won't be paid for it. I have even gone so far as to tell them are you going to be nice and friendly to me before I click the accept button? ..lol.. and I tell them if you are not nice /rude to me I will END THE SHOW!.
I have been a camgirl for 13+ years now and I do not tell members I will do something and then go to pvt and NOT do it.
In this particular case we are speaking of this member I do not believe discussed the show before hand..
^^^ No model who is serious about camming and long time in the business will do this, to promise something & not deliver it cause we want these guys satisfied, happy so they can return for more, at least that's how i do it, that's how i cam, i am on cam for 15+ years myself, us full time - long time cam girls cant 'afford' to mislead customers cause they our bread and butter.
Yeah, maybe a young girl who just started and is not very serious about this job wont always play fair but this is not working on a long run, not for a model who takes her job serious.
ETA: how can i be motivated to cam on bonga knowing what i know now, thinking "ok, i close/ pause SM when i have a show on bonga but then i might not get paid for my pvt? when i could have had a show on SM that i know for sure i am going to be paid for?!
I am not surprised they do not think it is rude to tell models to "hurry up". This is the same site that made derogatory remarks about white, black, and bbw models.
This seriously happened? and if a guy asks a model to put a knife down her vagina and she says no will there be a refund?
OMFG, WTF. I just finished my shift and I did OK, but seriously, it's nothing compared to the money I make on MFC/CB/SM so I don't fucking need this site.
I'm not camming on Bonga until this is fixed. A customer tells a model to hurry up and show tits, she shows tits and she gets ripped off? Does that sound right to you?
That's like going to McDonalds, ordering fries and you tell them to hurry it up, eat the fries and then tell the manager that you want a refund because the fries took too long to make, and then to top it off, they dock it from the workers pay!!!!
Go to hell BONGA.
I didn't have much interest in this site because it's token based, but I've been following the thread just in case. But... um...
Holy fucking fucks, is that a HUGE flaw! Failure to "hurry up" warrants a refund? What if the request had been something other than "show me tits"? Would the same policy apply?
I advertise that I squirt and do anal, and I generally agree to do those things if the customer asks, but that doesn't mean that I can/will "hurry up" with either of those activities! What if the customer told a model that she should be wet enough already, so he didn't want her to use lube (yes, cam models really do get requests like that)? Would the model actually lose her earnings just because she wanted to do things safely and didn't attempt to overcome the natural limitations of the human body?
Just because a customer wants to see something "right now," doesn't change the fact that women can't squirt on command, rushing anal can cause injury, sometimes you really do need lube, getting undressed too quickly might rip your panties or tangle your hair in your bra strap, and WE CAN'T CUM THE SECOND A DUDE DEMANDS IT! (And no, not all of us can/will fake an orgasm.) Beyond that, it's very hard on our bodies, minds, souls, and clothing if we feel that we HAVE to rush through the demands of some pushy dude who will cum and disappear in 2 minutes, then scramble back into our clothes, and repeat.
Plus, everything that everyone else said was spot on!
ETA: On top of all that, I NEVER sell sex acts. The only thing guys can pay for is minutes spent with me in private. Regardless of what we choose to do during our time together, they still got my time, and they still need to pay for it. If you go to a resort, it doesn't matter if you have fun, you still pay for the nights you stayed at the hotel.
If a customer doesn't enjoy his experience with me, that's his own fault. A cam session is a two way street, just like sex, and guys need to do their part (be realistic, be respectful, be clear about his desires, accept that his partner is a human with limits - it's not a lot to ask!).
^^^ God!! yes to the added paragraph, that's why they pay per minute and not per 'cum drops' hahaaa, they pay for our time bonga! Get some people to translate what we saying here pls, looks like u dont get the concept guys.
First time on BC, so far so good! Mac friendly btw ;)
Okay click on the link "Read More" and I read it twice, then one more time and all the language says clearly that there are no chargebacks or refunds. Infact your exact language is "We’ve got you covered no matter what! " and " full protection against all chargebacks and refunds, regardless of the cause! " Is there a major language barrier here? Perhaps you need to go to a certified Russian to English translator and have this translated again. Im not being rude or sarcastic here I just am really wondering if there is something lost in translation because from what you have stated here it seems that YOUR the one who doesnt understand what it says. Your quoting this as evidence that the camgirl is not owed money when in fact it proves that she is owed money.
Also, to argue that the client was not rude or that he did not receive what he wanted is highly debatable, as you can see from the reactions that other ladies have posted here. As a professional company is it your policy to go on open forums and micro debate over the smallest detail to avoid paying under $2 in cash? Because that behavior worries more then a potential charge back if I should join your site. It speaks volumes about how you run your business.
am confused what is the current scenario now...did the model get the money back or no - is it just gone and truly she did a free show?because I thought bonga said they cover the losses so technically her income should not be touched? maybe is all misunderstanding so curious what the current scenario is?