^^ No she did nto get her money and your right to be confused as to why she did not. We are all confused at this point.
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^^ No she did nto get her money and your right to be confused as to why she did not. We are all confused at this point.
I knew this site was going to be a train wreck. Just by the way they put the descriptions.. I see I made the right choice in not signing up!
Thanks for everyone's feedback here. If it wasn't for you guys there could have been many cam girls signing up thinking they weren't absolute imbeciles when nothing could be further from the truth.
I'm even more done than ever & can safely chuck them out of my potential egg basket.
I'm a full time cam performer doing around 12 hours a day most days and have done for about 10 years. They really have fucked themselves.
WOW That's really shitty! I'm so sorry to the lovely lady that got ripped off. :( I guess I dodged a bullet on this one.
wow, started off reading this thread and being so encouraged that I was going to sign up, that is, until I got to AC's story and BC's flip-floppy attitude. NO THANKS!
It is possible that they will realized they were wrong and change that? So they dont piss off all the models who are reading this thread and that thread?
I hope:)
What is really sad is that everything is documented in written form...the percentages, the no chargeback rules etc. It's all stated clearly on their site and on the model agreement that we sign. The misleading percentages and "exceptions" to the no chargebacks ruling over an act that was actually done for the customer takes away any semblance of trust. It may seem like a small amount but, what happens to a model in the future who decides to ban a customer for requesting rape, incest, animals etc.? Will he get refunded from her earnings as well? What if he asks for all if his money back because she "mislead" him into thinking he could request such acts from her? Will all her earnings up to that point be taken from her? Where do these "exceptions" end?
Wow... just wow.
I wanted to register on Bongacams to give it a try but I will be avoiding it like the plague after reading this.
No chargebacks, but if the guy is bossing you around, like you are a dog and you feel uncomfortable with that... we will refund him the money.
Not only morally wrong, also not a smart business move.
A guy who demands a model to "hurry up", obviously doesn't have a lot of money to spend, or is not planning to spend a lot of money on the site.
So refunding his few dollars is really not going to make them shit.
Where as the model would have made Bongacams a shitload of money if they would have just chosen her side, like that should have.
Also, most guys just take you private without even saying hello in free chat.
Are they going to take ALL of that private money away from you, if it turns out he is looking for extreme anal fisting and you don't offer that?
Bongacams, you are thieves.
^^ I was hoping this as well after Olgas first comments. The problem is that their standing their ground on this issue suggests that they are afraid that if they fold in then they will lose face and possibly create a situation where whenever a cam model wants something from them they only have to bad mouth them on a forum. They dont want to set a precedent.
Unfortunately we know that they are in the wrong and we also dont want to set a precedent that we will work for a company that refuses to stand behind its own policy! So Im afraid we are at a stalemate.
I would like to see them fix this and understand that we are smart enough to realize that it was a silly oversight and that we will forgive and applaud them for that because the fact that they are finding solutions and fixing issues is a step in the right direction but based on how this has gone so far I am inclined to conclude that this is just another company that is run by men who believe that people who do this line of work can be walked on simply because they do this line of work and so they fit the stereo type of stupid and desperate.
^^^ No kidding, bonga is run by men, just reading how they translated the main page & categories in my native language, it sounds bad, unprofessional & degrading, slangish & misogynist; maybe Olga is a man actually, we have a precedent in here if u guys know who i am talking about.
They should apologize, pay the money they owe to A.C and sort out this refund policy aspect but i doubt they will, sometimes these companies prefer to keep going their ways cause yes, they count on the 'stupid & desperate stereotype', this is very unfortunate situation if they decide to work like this instead of doing a professional job. Pity!
I know we're all hating BC right now, but just wanted to give my neutral feedback on the site since I started using it yesterday. It reminds me a lot of MFC but less... loud, if that makes any sense. I guess because the site has less english speakers there's less people barking orders at you. I've seen a lot of traffic and I really like the control you get over certain things, such as how many tokens a user needs to have in order to send a PM or being able to see how many tokens users have straight away. I also LOVE that quality of the stream and it doesn't freeze like SM does. I don't see an option to block guests, but I also haven't seen them chatting at all.
One thing bear in mind is that when you initiate private anyone who comes in will be paying a voyeur rate, so make sure if someone wants to do a private show they initiate it themselves.
So far it seems like a mix of MFC and SM in the sense that you get a lot of freeloaders lurking BUT you also get a lot of people who want private shows.
Support has also been really helpful the couple of times I've contacted them too.
Ok you ladies can go back to hating it :P
P.S. This is my referral link if anyone is still willing to give it a shot http://bongamodels.com/?fuid=21535587
Wow, this was quite a lot to read and digest.
It is unbelievable that Bonga Cams would tank their reputation over $1.90... and yet, here we are.
It's been known that Bonga marketing is *absolutely horrible*. The misleading percentages, misleading RevScore, among so many other things - really make the site look bad. Despite all of this, I did try the site out anyway and was pleasantly surprised by the site itself and wrote it off as just their marketing team needing a lot of improvement. Through a lot of my efforts and the efforts of other models, Bonga has changed a lot of their marketing material. It's still not completely accurate but it is better. For example, their website does say 50% instead of 60%. What it really needs to say is 31.2% - 50%.
This charge back / refund / model misleading issue is clearly something else entirely, apart from their poor marketing. Although most of us all do believe AC, the fact is none of us know what actually happened in that private.
It is my opinion to think twice about letting this situation deter you from working on Bonga and making money for yourself on the site. I'd hate to see someone a girl not make money because of this, although I do agree that you should work where you feel most comfortable. Please don't mistake this as me agreeing with Bonga because I absolutely do not. I think what they said about discussing the private beforehand is extremely ignorant. I realize the bigger picture of this issue. It's not about $1.90 but it's about the fear of not being paid, if a customer should complain.
I can tell you that, as a non-nude model, I have dealt with hundreds of guys on Bonga that have taken me private, assuming that I will get naked. Many of these guys will say something like "tits" and/or "ass". I do go ahead and show them these areas of my body, while still being covered in some way. I try not to disrupt the sexiness and tease flow of my private by unnecessarily stating "Oh, I actually don't show my nipples!" - because that's not sexy. Did I mislead anyone? No. Spending 5 minutes or less in my room, anyone would know my limitations in chat and private, whether by asking directly or observing. If the member persists, I do indeed tell them something like "Oh, I'm just a tease model - I don't show that but I am just loving teasing you right now!" Anyway - I have NEVER been issued a refund / charge back / or been accused of misleading members and I've been on Bonga since December 2015. Maybe it's because I'm lucky and no one reported me? It's possible, but I've dealt with a lot of people and have a good placement on the site. So, I do want it known that it seems like this situation is very unlikely, if it's any comfort at all.
Finally, unfortunate as this is, all cam sites have horror stories and/or shitty practices that we have to deal with. SM has really crappy model percentages and even worse marketing in that they can use your image and videos everywhere for anything. CB is known to ban people for absolutely no reason. On and on the list goes. Bonga is clearly no exception but at least we have what appears to be a dialogue open with their site representatives. This gives me hope that we can all continue to make Bonga a better place for us and our members. It will take time and effort on both sides.
QueenMary I am sorry but bonga is not like mfc - I don't think you know mfc well if you write that- all camsites share something similar but I don't even want to start listing differences - it would take so long there are so many
I too don't know what happened in that private however I noticed that a model would do almost anything to get tokens and make member happy - if she blocked him while she could make more tokens seems like it was a very bad situation.
Plus bonga does advertise no chargebacks and then the next thing is - there is one. I think is important to take note and see the facts for what they are- not what we want them to be just because something did not happen to us.
But is true that all camsites have problems...
for CB is banning - on MFC are the asshole never ending freeloader stream- on Bonga is tokens taken away after a show...which of these problems you consider the worst is up to you.
I think in the end is what works for a model. personally at the moment I have such an aversion to MFC freeloaders I can't even go there am so Angry!!! the fuckers just jump from room to room with their dicks in hand waiting for free shows and if you are not naked with pussy hanging out or your room not full with fellow freeloaders to joke with -they might not stay around for longer than split second...
and the models who cater to these assholes are starting to get on my nerves too...
something about these freeloaders makes me angry at mfc at the moment-i still love the site but need a break or go crazy- but i listen to everything that is written about EVERY site and I usually believe the models version of the story.
Is just very rare that a model would block a tipping member.
No matter how nice and easy a website is to work on, if the staff / owners screw you over there is no point in working on there.
Even if I would be in a private chat 99% of the time, if the staff keeps handing out refunds I might as well not work.
The thread title kinda makes me giggle now though.
Exactly louise. I think it's generally the newer models who are willing to give sites a second chance or benefit of the doubt, the rest of us unfortunately have experienced this shitty treatment one too many times and know where it leads. I didnt give a crap about the awful wording (guys never read anyway), but if they start messing with my money they can kiss my Ass. If they can refund $2 they can refund $200.. not chancing that when there are well established, trustworthy, ACCOUNTABLE sites that I already bank on.
It is only a matter of time until the next incident occurs. I am putting Bonga away for awhile on observation. We shall see how things pan out.
GeezLouise, I have changed the title of the thread to reflect a more neutral stance.
The title looks the same!? I am contemplating the idea of giving this site a 2nd chance considering i just signed up with them and the new model status lasts for 2 weeks i read somewhere. I really dont like or find other sites lucrative for me, reviving old accounts on the sites i worked before is more difficult to do than being new on a site. Now thinking out loud, between chaturbate who could close my account for no reason at a point and not pay me the money i have there in my account (like i read here on sw they did to another girl recently) and risking the refund of a private or more on bonga, i take the smallest risk.
Like Miqote said above she never had a refund since on site, i'll hate to know i am not taking the chance to make money because of this incident.
Is here anyone else camming on bonga who had similar incidents & can relate? Is this a common practice with the refunds or was an exception?
I really hope this was an isolated situation, bonga needs to improve their site, tos, communication skills, so on; i also take into consideration where these people come from, i know in this part of the world things are working different than in western world, is a different mentality here, they not 'used' to respect people's rights like in western countries, is hard to understand when u live in a true democratic system how difficult is for some companies/ people to change their mentality, to adapt to western world 'expectations'.
Right now they 'amateurish' but they have the chance to improve, i hope they take into consideration what people said here and what are the expectations of 'western models' who wanna work on site, it's up to bonga to cater to local resources for models and members or be part of the world wide cam industry.
Girls I think you are overreacting a bit with this situation. I'm sorry, but this is just my opinion. Clearly, Bongacams made a huge mistake because they state "no chargebacks", so I think bongacams should think about it more and state clearly if there are or not chargebacks. On the other hand, I wouldn't choose the option to ban a member who's in the private show, I'll just do my thing without "hurrying up". They did not refund the member because she didn't hurry up, they refunded him because she banned him. I don't say bongacams is right or anon girl is right, I just say Bongacams should respect their rules and also I think you shouldn't ban a member when he's in your private/group/whatever.
By the way, if you think this is shitty, let me tell you I had a refund on a video on Chaturbate, because the member said he can't see my video. How cool is that? Oh btw, he already watched it once, but he couldn't see it the next time.
Bongacams if you say you don't do chargebacks refund the girl and make it your loss!
I've absolutely banned paying customers in the middle of a show. Doesn't happen often but nobody is allowed to treat me like shit even if they are paying for it. If you don't like what they are saying or asking you to do, you absolutely can ban them rather than put up with bs just to appease a guy and make a few bucks.
If you go to the very first post, you will see the title has changed. Not sure why it is not appearing on the new posts.
KatM, give Bonga a shot, earning money is the most important thing right now of course! I was only speaking for myself.
If someone is being shitty to me in private I just close it and that's it.
This guy was probably for a short wank before his wife comes home or maybe just short on money.
If a guy start saying "you're such a whore" yeah he deserves a ban, but I just close the private.
What means Ban on bonga, ban for good with no option to ever return to ur room or disconnect the member from ur room?
Not to ban a member when he is in ur paid chat no matter what he says? Are u sure of what u saying?
There are situations when u really cant do anything else but ban if he is insulting u or asks for who knows what obscene thing.
Even if u dont ban and let the session continue until he decides to leave there is no guarantee he's not asking for his money back because again 'he did not get what he wanted'.
Maybe she hurried to ban but this does not mean she did not have a reason, maybe she wanted to get rid of the idiot and make herself available for other guys but most importantly, SHE WAS COUNTING ON THE FACT THAT THERE WERE NO CHARGEBACKS/ REFUNDS like bonga states.
Man, this is a serious matter, i ban paying members on SM to get rid of them cause they misbehave so i can make myself available for the other guys, i could let the pvt continue knowing SM wont refund these guys no matter if he got what he wanted or not, he paid for the time with me and if he decides to be a moron it's not my fault.
But sometimes I CHOOSE to ban cause that's what i want, i dont have to explain myself to anyone, i am my own boss & dont have to put up with idiots if i dont want to. That's what bonga need to understand, WE DONT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WE DONT WANT TO and they need to respect this & change their mentality, we are not in russia where people are arrested if they bad mouth the regime, LUCKILY! (not anymore in my case, i grew up in another abusive regime myself).
That's why i bitch about SM, Bonga, whoever else i feel bitching about, feels soo good to be able to bitch w.o being punished u know?
Feels amazing to be FREE! You can only understand this when u been 'imprisoned' in an abusive regime, cant understand the difference when u were born free
I tried BC a few days last week for a few hours each time. No complaints, was just testing the waters, and for some reason I got into the top 30 and saw if I maintained it, I would get a bonus. That's nice and I wasn't even trying. I'm thinking of giving it another few weeks and see what I can do. I do get motivated by bonus $$ LOL Money motivates me very strongly. As well as my Sunday morning coffee.
I do have a question. What is their pay week? Like SM is from 4pm Saturday to the next 4pm Saturday (PST) What is Bonga's?? Gotta make a weekly strategy based on that.