Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
@hyori - You bring up some great points to think about! I agree that it all comes down to which site(s) work best for you. It can take some trial and error to figure that out.
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you though on the part where you stated, "As long as someone is tipping, the girl will do something most of the time unless they are really stupid."
Unfortunately, it's been my experience personally and through my own observation that many girls are seemingly *stuck*. What I mean is, I think most cam models would agree that it makes the most sense to do x show after x tokens are reached. However, the tricky part lies in that there may not be enough or any tippers to get to x tokens to start the show, especially for lower cam score / ranked models. Even for me in the top 100 consistently, it could sometimes be a challenge to get people to tip other than my dear regulars... which really defeated the purpose of the site for me. So, the model has to decide if she should start the show anyway and hope people tip during the show or continue to wait. I've seen this and experienced it myself time and time again. To me, "training members" only goes so far.
I think another big barrier for models is constantly trying to find a sweet spot that does make the most money. However, here again, this becomes very challenging. I myself tried to figure out a good balance between what I would be willing to do vs what I thought would make the most money. I could very easily drive myself mad because I would be doing all of these activities that I thought would be profitable that just weren't getting the type of response I wanted. This taught me a lesson that, at a certain point, you have to do what makes YOU happy as well on cam.
Anyway! For me personally, I will not ever cam on MFC again. I just cannot be apart of such a competitive atmosphere against my own fellow models and with a system in place where only the successful models are the primary ones getting the traffic. No thanks. Despite having "made it" and my success on there as a consistent top 100 model, that isn't the cam model I wanted to be.
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
I stay by what I wrote ! However I wrote that shows are ok but it ends there for me- personalized chat with losers who don't tip does not exist for me.
If they wanna talk about their boring day they can do that can't stop them but unless they tip and I hear the sound I barely read the stuff written in my room. Yes - I barely follow anything written in my room unless is from tipper. I don't remember names unless is consistent tipper.
I do free shows sometimes like dancing and when I made mistakes in the past and glanced read some stuff- non tippers had a nerve to write how incredibly sexy i am and that they got a hard and that they came...they complimented me as to how sexy I am and they came and i was not even naked -oh wow- am I supposed to be impressed am so sexy.I know am sexy -losers -and btw none of you would even come close to dating someone like me in real life cause I only date rich guys and I do not care for losers.
If a guy tips me is a different story- I pay attention and chat with him. Frankly even small tips get my attention. is the nontippers only who are in no contact zone.If a guy comes to my room and chats me up and does not tip me - next time he comes though it better be a huge tip to make up for his previous behavior.
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
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Originally Posted by
Miqote
@hyori - You bring up some great points to think about! I agree that it all comes down to which site(s) work best for you. It can take some trial and error to figure that out.
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you though on the part where you stated, "As long as someone is tipping, the girl will do something most of the time unless they are really stupid."
Unfortunately, it's been my experience personally and through my own observation that many girls are seemingly *stuck*. What I mean is, I think most cam models would agree that it makes the most sense to do x show after x tokens are reached. However, the tricky part lies in that there may not be enough or any tippers to get to x tokens to start the show, especially for lower cam score / ranked models. Even for me in the top 100 consistently, it could sometimes be a challenge to get people to tip other than my dear regulars... which really defeated the purpose of the site for me. So, the model has to decide if she should start the show anyway and hope people tip during the show or continue to wait. I've seen this and experienced it myself time and time again. To me, "training members" only goes so far.
I think another big barrier for models is constantly trying to find a sweet spot that does make the most money. However, here again, this becomes very challenging. I myself tried to figure out a good balance between what I would be willing to do vs what I thought would make the most money. I could very easily drive myself mad because I would be doing all of these activities that I thought would be profitable that just weren't getting the type of response I wanted. This taught me a lesson that, at a certain point, you have to do what makes YOU happy as well on cam.
Anyway! For me personally, I will not ever cam on MFC again. I just cannot be apart of such a competitive atmosphere against my own fellow models and with a system in place where only the successful models are the primary ones getting the traffic. No thanks. Despite having "made it" and my success on there as a consistent top 100 model, that isn't the cam model I wanted to be.
Miqote, you are just one awesome and incredible woman and you have my utmost respect and admiration. I guess I should have been more clear in what I wrote, I can understand when sometimes a model will start a show to get the ball rolling on tips but there's a point where they should stop because even showing her pussy is not working to bring in the tips and if she keeps going...well then, I just don't understand it and find that a bit...stupid. That's what I meant to say.
It's kind of unreal to me that you would leave MFC because of the competitiveness! I would think you would just kill them all with kindness. Maybe I'm living vicariously through you but, I wish you could show those bitches how a top model can make it without being a cunt. LOL. Girl, you are the Sandy to my Rizzo. Anyway, maybe it wasn't MFC itself, but the forum girls that gang up and do the whole mean girls routine to you. I remember your posts on that forum and how unfair they were to single out the fact that you look like a supermodel and that was the sole reason you made it to top 100. Fuck that noise, even supermodels wouldn't last on MFC. You need a personality, something unique, allure and that je ne sais quois that keeps men coming back to you and you have that, Miqote. So fuck them jellies
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
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Originally Posted by
hyori
Miqote, you are just one awesome and incredible woman and you have my utmost respect and admiration. I guess I should have been more clear in what I wrote, I can understand when sometimes a model will start a show to get the ball rolling on tips but there's a point where they should stop because even showing her pussy is not working to bring in the tips and if she keeps going...well then, I just don't understand it and find that a bit...stupid. That's what I meant to say.
It's kind of unreal to me that you would leave MFC because of the competitiveness! I would think you would just kill them all with kindness. Maybe I'm living vicariously through you but, I wish you could show those bitches how a top model can make it without being a cunt. LOL. Girl, you are the Sandy to my Rizzo. Anyway, maybe it wasn't MFC itself, but the forum girls that gang up and do the whole mean girls routine to you. I remember your posts on that forum and how unfair they were to single out the fact that you look like a supermodel and that was the sole reason you made it to top 100. Fuck that noise, even supermodels wouldn't last on MFC. You need a personality, something unique, allure and that je ne sais quois that keeps men coming back to you and you have that, Miqote. So fuck them jellies
Completely agree, they *should* stop but... despite tips, the room count usually shoots up and that's sometimes enough of a motivator for the model to keep going and continue to hope for tips. :/ But, yeah, I understand what you're saying ^_^
Haha, well, competitiveness was only one of the reasons. Certainly, I'd like to think I do not let what any model/member haters have to say about me bring me down but, with that aspect aside, I just felt odd about it personally. One of the points in my unseen post was me questioning what the top 100 meant to me. Was it really a way of acknowledging my accomplishments or was it really a way to say that I'm better than you because I outranked you by making more money? I didn't like the way that made me feel as a person, haha. Even with the cam score system, I had to continually out perform other models to have a better placement by making more money per hour than other girls. My better placement meant that another girl had to move down. Here again, I didn't like the way this made me feel. I feel MFC is mostly anything but a place where females can empower each other and stick together. It's specifically marketed for models to compete against each other, in the name of profit. This is how I felt about this aspect of MFC and what I no longer wanted to be apart of.
Contrast this to Bonga, no one really feels this kind of competition to this extent. The weekly contest for who achieves the most by the hour is a much more fair way for models to earn more on Bonga per week from all kinds of styles and average incomes. On MFC, I'd wager that most models did not earn extra money from the site because you have to rank in the top 100 (which you'd each extra for the month - not the week.
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
I do not log onto token sites for this reason. It's kinda expected that you entertain these guys and remain talkative even though they are useless douche canoes. I am not a talkative person. I can only entertain so much before I get stressed out and log the fuck off. You're probably better off on sites like streammate and cams.com where you're not expected to do these things. Everything's all business. That way if these guys try to talk your ear off you can ban them.
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
I am very talkative but lose energy when not tipped...then I get upset angry or depressed. i don't think anyone on the other side realizes that camming is energy and tokens are sort of topping up so you have the energy- or you can exaust self and go crazy if you just give and nothing in return and all these dudes sap energy.
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
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Dorothea
I am very talkative but lose energy when not tipped...then I get upset angry or depressed. i don't think anyone on the other side realizes that camming is energy and tokens are sort of topping up so you have the energy- or you can exaust self and go crazy if you just give and nothing in return and all these dudes sap energy.
thats been one of my things too as well as overthinking things and being too hard on myself. but if you just do the right mix of teasing and sitting or just standing i dont think its that hard . when you build up a big enough fan base then you can just sit on your bed and talk to them or lay down on ur bed and get ur goals done. token sites just require a lot more social media but i think thats part of the price we pay for the freedom we have compared to sites like sm and stuff. i really dont get why they have more traffic then SM when SM takes more but i prefer token sites over SM because of the higher pay higher traffic and more freedom we have it does take more work but i think all these benefits make it more worth it in the end .
i think your thing might be the same problems im having and have had - learning the right mix of teasing and pulling back and making friends with them . you dont have to be nice to all of them all of the tine but this might be whats going on with you becuase it was a problem i was having . i kept going on being on all dancing and happy and stuff i wasnt getting enough tokens and i got progressively more pissy and annoyed the longer i went on. When were in the erotica/sales industry using our bodies its sometimes hard to make the differentiation between how well you are as a sales person and you as a person/you're likeable-ness i guess you could say . This was fucking with my head for the longest time and why i havent cammed a lot since my BF and me got a place and i dont NEED to work anymore . I kept going on cam and thinking my looks and worth were based on how much i was making and when i had a few bad days i took it WAY hard and would take off for days or the rest of the week and sometimes the week after that too even. If im honest with myself i probably should have never started camming when i did because i was mental wreck (self worth issues / self esteem/ body image issues etc) but im way better now since ive hardly cammed since june last year and had some lightbulbs go off through reading some books (shout out to amazon kindle) and chilling under substances.
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
Funny -my situation opposite-I want to be successful at camming and make lots of money cause I don't want a boyfriend. Had some rich boyfriends and marriage proposals and I would do almost anything to never be in a relationship again.I just can't stand relationships - want to be free. Of course not as easy as I though to be successful on mfc.
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
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Snowy0Star
i kept going on being on all dancing and happy and stuff i wasnt getting enough tokens and i got progressively more pissy and annoyed the longer i went on.
yes - why is it so difficult to tip just a bit - these assholes ruin mood cause they are vampires- actually one time a BASIC (who I let talk by mistake ) HAD A NERVE TO ASK ME WHY AM NOT SMILING
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Dorothea
yes - why is it so difficult to tip just a bit - these assholes ruin mood cause they are vampires- actually one time a BASIC (who I let talk by mistake ) HAD A NERVE TO ASK ME WHY AM NOT SMILING
LOL thats par for the course i know when im not in the best of moods it annoys me soooo fucking much when ppl want me to smile. i suffer from bitchy resting face - my normal "chill" face makes me looks sad or down but i wasnt a very happy person in general back then so im hoping this time i'll look generally more happy all the time and it wont be an issue .
Its the cheap men who tend to make the loudest noise because they THINK its the only way to get ur attention. Dont give it to them some would say dont ban because ur giving him what he wants i say ban because they go away after awhile and its like putting them on time out. they'll learn and if they dont u can perma ban on MFC on CB they last two months so its enuf time for both of u to forget about each other and start fresh if they do come back of course i have a few blues on cb who have talked my ear off and never tipped i got sick of it so i started banning them and now every time i see them again i re-ban them. too much bad blood i guess and i suppose im still a tad of a bitter bitch on the no tipping thing.
I say talk to the blues and purples for a little bit and pull away if you start to feel used it is more of a social site with naked-ness than anything and if you dont talk at all unless you get tipped it seems a wee bit gold diggerish and they typically dont like that . Personally i read everything in chat and pick and chose what i respond to. I'm trying to train my guys to actually talk and have legit conversations so I'm choosing to no longer respond to the empty ' nice ass nice tits juicy thighs' comments because i feel like this just encourages more of it and i kinda consider myself smarter and deeper than the average bear and guys with money for the most part are like this too so i dont want to potentially turn them off with a room full of empty comments and have them think im just another ditz with tits
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
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Snowy0Star
I'm trying to train my guys to actually talk and have legit conversations so I'm choosing to no longer respond to the empty ' nice ass nice tits juicy thighs' comments because i feel like this just encourages more of it and i kinda consider myself smarter and deeper than the average bear and guys with money for the most part are like this too so i dont want to potentially turn them off with a room full of empty comments and have them think im just another ditz with tits
^^^THIS!!^^^ I am learning MFC is a totally different hustle, and I do better when I actually don't sex it up as much. The spenders seem to like when I show off my brains as much as my tits.
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
oh, I have to read thru this more thoroughly girls. But Hyori said what I was thinking right away. It is My FREE cams. That's the whole idea, right? From my few months trying it, I felt it was clicky and a certain type of model may do very well right away on there. It is the first and only site (because I don't want to try any other sites) where I NEVER made my goal right away, no one EVER really chatted with me (and I love chatting, laughing and having fun) and I would try and try and log off actually feeling bad about myself. I hate that that happened, because i like the site. But it just didn't work for me. I still have a gorgeous profile just sitting there, and may try to split cam it later, but it left a bad taste in my mouth.
Just the opposite happened on CB and Bonga. Strange, uh? Like night and day. I want to be happy camming, log off feeling good about myself. And I do on Streamate, Bonga and Chaturbate.
As far as freeloaders go? I completely ignore them. It comes with the site. Once I let go my annoyance with them, I felt so much better. I don't have time or energy to worry about them. I set my CB so that only guys who have tipped me can chat with me. And from DAY ONE I made it a point to NEVER give thought to any one else. It's a mind set.
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
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Originally Posted by
hyori
Miqote, you are just one awesome and incredible woman and you have my utmost respect and admiration. I guess I should have been more clear in what I wrote, I can understand when sometimes a model will start a show to get the ball rolling on tips but there's a point where they should stop because even showing her pussy is not working to bring in the tips and if she keeps going...well then, I just don't understand it and find that a bit...stupid. That's what I meant to say.
It's kind of unreal to me that you would leave MFC because of the competitiveness! I would think you would just kill them all with kindness. Maybe I'm living vicariously through you but, I wish you could show those bitches how a top model can make it without being a cunt. LOL. Girl, you are the Sandy to my Rizzo. Anyway, maybe it wasn't MFC itself, but the forum girls that gang up and do the whole mean girls routine to you. I remember your posts on that forum and how unfair they were to single out the fact that you look like a supermodel and that was the sole reason you made it to top 100. Fuck that noise, even supermodels wouldn't last on MFC. You need a personality, something unique, allure and that je ne sais quois that keeps men coming back to you and you have that, Miqote. So fuck them jellies
Now that I've built up my confidence and know how to work the token sites on CB and Bonga, maybe I'll give MFC another shot. I did like the site, and I like a lot of the models on there. Nice post Hyori .
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JessRyan
Just the opposite happened on CB and Bonga. Strange, uh? Like night and day. I want to be happy camming, log off feeling good about myself. And I do on Streamate, Bonga and Chaturbate.
wow I also do very well on some sites and not on others- I do insanely well on mfc when it come sto chatting- I constantly have people talking and starting conversations it takes a second and is something nice or drama i just never have like enough tips to stay online and the tip part needs to be fixed cause of freeloaders- i need to keep my camscore at around 2000 and is a hassle i log off early if no tips just to save it- i always worry if not tipped for some time...-bonga I also have chatters a lot of them and interesting stuff and insults etc -tips not high-prefer mfc cause had insanely good tip days there- but on chaturbate no one is that interested in me - some say something but then is: "he left the room"...all the time i get "he left the room" lol...
I don't know why and did not try streamate yet
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AlyssaJane
^^^THIS!!^^^ I am learning MFC is a totally different hustle, and I do better when I actually don't sex it up as much. The spenders seem to like when I show off my brains as much as my tits.
This post maybe will change my life! I did not consider this...I am very brainy but been playing dumb and sexy and sweet on MFC and holding my responses many times when assholes deserved a witty something to shut them up - never considered using my awesome brain and witty personality!! wow!! thank you for this post!! is like a light bulb!!yes!! :lamp:
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
Hyori that is a great post!
I have never done a show until I meet my countdown...
I don't really talk to the people on there :)
LOL
Re: MFC losers freeloaders - we need to start teaching them what to do
^^ this is a great thread. I'm not giving up on MFC, I'll try it again soon. I do like a lot of girls on there and like what I experienced even though I didn't make much $$ I liked the ins and outs of it. You know? I think there is potential and that option I've kept open. Funny you mention chatting Dorothea. I mean it, I was talking to myself the entire time. Once in awhile I'd have a conversation, but not near as often as I'd like. I silence the the basics and guests right from the start. Well, there you go uh? A 100 camgirls will get a 100 different results
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Good that you do and I silence basics too! I only let them talk couple of times literally and I became so angry later I just don't do it anymore.Rarely they have anything substantial to say and if they say anything nice at all is usually a prelude to an insult.
If more models silenced basics - if all models did - they would go premium or get off the site. Either way would be fine with me. :)