Flirtywork SM Affiliate Site
Hey! I've been streaming on Flirtywork since January 2016 when I ditched token sites after the hard lesson learned of being recorded.
I've been making pretty good money but the most I've ever made in 1 week was $750. While that's DEF more than what I used to make on MFC and CB combined, I'm still not hitting these number of 1k a week that other models seem to be exceeding.
Do you think it might be the affiliate site? They told me that I am hosted on SM, Flirtywork, Penthouse, Pornhub, and several other sites. While that's cool and all, it's become abrasive sitting there for hours with the huge yellow list of people coming in and out within seconds.
I'm not trying to diss on FW but I'm still a sex worker and I want big money, that's why I'm in this industry. Let's be real here, it's for the money ad the freedom that comes with it.
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1st-ditch the studio they are taking your money
2nd-if one site isn't giving you enough traffic sign up for another and another, more eggs in your basket=more money
3rd- read thru this, not saying you are a newbie but there is good information in here. https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...-For-Cam-Girls
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Do you think there may be any benefits to being with a studio? One thing I noticed was that I could never find my profile when I searched myself, it had to be through a specific link.
They mentioned I would get 30% of everything earned and that it was the same as what I would earn on the network partner site SM. With that being said maybe I was tricked? How much of a percentage does the direct site pay? I'm making money on SM but I'd like to find out if I'm not making bigger number because of the studio or if it might not only be me.
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Taura
Do you think there may be any benefits to being with a studio? One thing I noticed was that I could never find my profile when I searched myself, it had to be through a specific link.
They mentioned I would get 30% of everything earned and that it was the same as what I would earn on the network partner site SM. With that being said maybe I was tricked? How much of a percentage does the direct site pay? I'm making money on SM but I'd like to find out if I'm not making bigger number because of the studio or if it might not only be me.
There are no benefits to working with studios, (unless it is katy studio for daily pay) When you sign up directly with sm you get 35% not 30%. It is always best to sign up with the direct site, with that being said you probably won't be able to stream on sm for 6+months depending on your contract with the studio. I would look into your contract and see if you cant be released so you can work directly with sm. What you can do it sign up for other sites tho and begin making money else where. Cams.com is another popular site for free chat along with imlive.com. There are also plenty of indy sites as well you can look into. CMD, NF, LCS. My personal advice is to read read read everything on this site
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Great, I'll see if I can switch over and avoid the penalty but right now it's my only income and I'll need to stick it out until I get something else going.
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All Cam sites are being recorded. Tokens sites more so because of all the public shows, you don't have to do public shows on them to make money.
Guys & Affiliates that record shows do NOT like it when you are saying all the names. Saying those names over & over again does make the guys who spend money feel more special. :)
Have text running on your feed on CB like video specials, your tip list, your twitter name. On SM & such have it on the wall behind you in big & bold. This makes it harder for them to remove & add their own watermark onto the feed as if they paid you to shoot that content.
Build up your own social media following, so no matter where you cam, fans will find you.
Ask that studio over and over again, just what they are doing for you? Penthouse, blah.. Pornhub is a tubesite but also have white labeled for SM to monetize their traffic. We are all on pornhubs cam site aka SM. So they aren't really doing you a major favor.
Token sites are where the most money is made, but those top girls put in 10 to 14 hours a day on cam plus do tons of social media marketing. Their hustle is strong. :)
Sam
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There is a lot to be learned by reading this site from the affiliate side of the industry.
http://www.crakrevenue.com/?t=145797...6n63met7149862
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Thank you, I contacted SM today and the studio this morning and I'm going to see what both of them tell me about changing over to stream for SM directly.
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Wow.... I don't know where to start. How about the fact that Taura said that you told her she would be making 30% with you, the same as what SM pays out directly, which is NOT true. Then there's you trying to act like independent camming is bad and we're "on our own" if we do that... *looks around* uhhh we've got this place full of ladies who are helping each other and doing just fine thank you very much. And if y'all are sooo helpful why did Taura seem to not know what the benefits of being in your studio were?
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FlirtyWork
TERMINATION PERIODS
Networks recognize the support studios offer the network in new model recruitment and training. For this reason, many Networks have a wait period before they will allow Performers to re-establish new profiles and stream independently. In this case, Streamate requires 6 months after complete termination of Performer's studio account. This is short, the industry standard is about one year. That is a Network decision, not a studio decision.
Well, that's the biggest bold faced LIE I've ever heard. Katy's studio will transfer you back to SM immediately upon request. If it's a network decision as you say, why aren't you on the same bandwagon? 6 months is excessive, but you're already aware of that.
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FlirtyWork
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While I do appreciate you taking the time to write a response, it is very condescending to school us on all those terms. Especially, apparently, you failed to comminicate with the person who started this thread in what you do & how you operate.
If you are so good at training & coaching then why did she post here for information about YOU?
Where was the follow up to help her to those goals you preached about as a reason for cam performers to sign up to your program?
AVN award, an award system that just recently opened up movie submission that is online & not a DVD..... How many of those AVN voters are cam performers? How many of them used your service? How many of them know a damn thing about camming? NONE Now, let's take into consideration how many industry awards including AVN LJ has won, yet most of agree they are the worst to the performers. Those awards hold no merit to me at all. You are bragging, but none of us have heard of you.
If you were to accomplish the mission statement you set in the speel of yours, then that girl wouldn't be posting here on how to reach $1000 a week that you insist the rest of us can't achieve success all on our own. Doesn't sound like she got to those "Education at Conferences... who is her coach?
How many of those coachs have cammed? I'm from the school of unless you have done it yourself, then you can't coach or teach me.
Sam
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When an agreement is terminated, it is automatically placed in a 6 month queue at Streamate. That is not a lie, that is a business process. That is a Streamate decision and automatically occurs. Katy, and FlirtyWork, (any SM studio for that matter have the option to request release of models to the Network immediately).
First, Taura, we would appreciate you correcting your statement in a public forum regarding the 30%.
We don't tell models Streamate only pays 30% We are very upfront with models on the rates our networks pay. 30/5 split on member spending.
When we say 'on your own' - that means you are on your own to find a support network, and you must work directly on your own with Streamate.
Models are encouraged to participate in forums. Why would our coaches discourage her from chatting online? Taura can answer why she chose to post here instead of reviewing it with a coach.
Follow up on goals? Perhaps models who have not worked with our coaching team are unaware of the coaching follow ups, late night calls, 'do you need help' tickets, and emotional support offered to Taura and other models. The follow up existed, which is why she is still as studio model.
We weren't participating in AVN, the event coincided (ran the same dates as AVN in Vegas). AVN is for pornos, but the AWA conference is for camming. Most strippers and online sex workers are familiar with the conference AVN, which is a good place to network.
Models who show up at conferences receive 'education at conferences'. That's just one of the ways we participate in the industry.
Taura is an outstanding model. Sometimes, models just need to put in enough time to reach the goal.
Not Taura, in particular, but if a model only shows up for 7 hours a week, and is only in the 4th month of their career as a cam model they'd have to make 142/hr to meet the $1k goal. Sometimes goals fall short because of effort.
Taura can reach her $1k.
She was just asking 'is FlirtyWork and affiliate'.
As for the reason she said we told her SM offers 30%... no clue. Only she can answer that.
Why is a post describing the industry met with such aggression and hostility. Studios aren't for everyone, but independent isn't for everyone, either. Wow. What's up with that?
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Nice damage control.
Also I'm independent and I make $3k a week ON STREAMATE ALONE. I learned everything I needed to know from SW and experience. With in 2 weeks I could tell who the time wasters were.
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FlirtyWork
Why is a post describing the industry met with such aggression and hostility. Studios aren't for everyone, but independent isn't for everyone, either. Wow. What's up with that?
Because you're talking to us like we're idiots who don't understand the basics of our own industry.
Because you and other studios like you take money from models for things they could learn all on their own--and often have to for how shitty your 'support teams' actually are--and then won't let them leave when they realize they've been screwed.
Independent isn't for everyone? Wow, you're full of shit. Yeah, there are a handful of studios that provide services not otherwise available to indy models like faster payout and a physical location to work, but claiming your 'advice' (that you can get for free elsewhere--have I mentioned free elsewhere) in exchange for a lifetime chunk of their earnings isn't helpful or a deal. It's a borderline scam.
If virtual studios were such a great deal, then there wouldn't need to be a 6-12 month waiting period to leave them to discourage models from going independent. If you have to put punishments in place to prevent models from leaving once they wise up to how useless you really are compared to the free, accurate information on public forms, then you do not deserve our respect.
You're never going to get any love here trying to defend your shade. Feel free to get off our forums at anytime.
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FlirtyWork
When an agreement is terminated, it is automatically placed in a 6 month queue at Streamate. That is not a lie, that is a business process. That is a Streamate decision and automatically occurs. Katy, and FlirtyWork, (any SM studio for that matter have the option to request release of models to the Network immediately).
which following logic means that you can release Taura as well. there is no 'six month queue' for new sm sign-ups, that is (when it applies) an sm policy that they enforce to their shame in concert with the studio contracted with them. please do not offend our intelligence in that regard
Find it difficult to believe that sm would hold a studio model to a contract if said studio takes the time to formally release her and notify sm as such. Ball's in your court in that regard
looking forward to Taura updating how this ends. your character and ethics will determine that so what's it gonna be?
keep your studio links out of your replies por favor, not needed or wanted here
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FlirtyWork
Why is a post describing the industry met with such aggression and hostility. Studios aren't for everyone, but independent isn't for everyone, either. Wow. What's up with that?
In your own script that you cut and paste to us you talk about virtual pimps and how people have a tendency to take advantage of people in this industry and how 'good studios provide value' but yet you find yourself truly surprised at the aggression and hostility you have now from us when you are receiving payments from a model you have promised to mentor her and who is coming to us for her answers?
The aggression and hostility you are feeling is because as it stands now.....no one here believes you are providing the model value for the money that she is paying you and therefore we are reacting to you the same way we do to all virtual pimps.
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How can you teach girls how to convert customers into a sale, when you are failing to do so here.
We deal with hostility every time we log on, my fav thing to do is to turn a troll into my best paying custie. And didn't have a coach or studio to do it. FYI you can find lots of us on the top of the first page when we cam on SM. :)
Yes, my delivery is harsh, cause I hate BS. 16 years of reading, hearing it from companies like you in this industry.
Sam
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Sam38g
my fav thing to do is to turn a troll into my best paying custie
This is an artform.
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Your response should have been an apology to the performer and how you failed to follow up to help her get to that level. You failed to adequhately explain your biz to her & no follow up or contact to see if she needed more assistance.
I've been a manager in a normal business outside the adult industry. It is your job to take responsibility and follow up on the coaches to see if their performers are getting the training needed.
Also you should have researched this forum to know, it is mainly independent non-studio performers. You have totally read the crowd wrong, which also means also makes me question your sales
skills.
Just like Judge Judy says, why should you get a percentage of my earning for the rest of my career for 2 hours of work with the person who found her & got her a contract to do that show on TV.
Sam
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Wow shit went down over night.
I genuinely thought that Streamate paid models 30% and not 35% and while that is on me, this post wasn't being devised as a smear campaign. That's not what this was meant to be. Even with our without all of the percentages, I had posted here to figure out what other models were doing that were outside of FW or even contracted with FW. I was expecting advice and it looks like there's plenty of that here so thanks everyone for filling me on.
OP:
"Hey! I've been streaming on Flirtywork since January 2016 when I ditched token sites after the hard lesson learned of being recorded.
I've been making pretty good money but the most I've ever made in 1 week was $750. While that's DEF more than what I used to make on MFC and CB combined, I'm still not hitting these number of 1k a week that other models seem to be exceeding.
Do you think it might be the affiliate site? They told me that I am hosted on SM, Flirtywork, Penthouse, Pornhub, and several other sites. While that's cool and all, it's become abrasive sitting there for hours with the huge yellow list of people coming in and out within seconds.
I'm not trying to diss on FW but I'm still a sex worker and I want big money, that's why I'm in this industry. Let's be real here, it's for the money ad the freedom that comes with it."
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Apologize for us going on a tangent Taura. Studios are...scummy, in general. They're like virtual pimps--taking your money because you didn't know any better than to sign up directly. I almost fell into one that had a nicer fucking splash page sign up until I came here and was told SM was a more reliable site. Took months to realize my other 'almost' site was actually a studio! Now, there are a few good studios, like I mentioned, but they offer a service to justify their costs like giving you a physical room to work in + equipment (physical studios) or daily pay (virtual studio, but much faster payout). FlirtyWork? No, and we don't like leaving any question in a girl's mind about their BS if a newbie should google search 'FlirtyWork' and come upon this thread, ya know?
Anyway...Back to your original questions: is FlirtyWork part of the reason you can't make $1000/week as easily as you'd like. Short answer: yes.
Long answer: still yes and here's why.
Here's the deal--'Flirtywork' is not just an affiliate site. It's a white label as well. That means, in a nut shell, that they use all of SM's infrastructure on their own site, as well as all SM models. Girls who sign up under FlirtyWork directly instead of under Streamate directly will be giving a portion of their earnings to FlirtyWork for the life of that account. FlirtyWork may also, as an affiliate, loan your model account stream to other sites (as in the case of Penthouse, from my brief digging). If they advertise on Pornhub, all that means is that they're potentially posting your privates there to 'strum up traffic,' which is not even close to a good marketing strategy for all sorts of reasons, the least of which is not 'why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.' So, in terms of where they're 'hosting' you to get you exposure, I would say it's nearly identical to what being independent with Streamate will get you. Which is all to say that they aren't doing jack shit to earn their finders fee or make themselves any different from Streamate proper at this point.
What is the difference between SM direct and your current owner? If you're a 'Tier 1' model account--meaning you live in the US, CA, GB, etc., you get 35%. Tier 2 accounts only receive 30%, which is everyone else--Eastern Europe, Central and South America, etc. Those are SMs independent payout rates. Assuming you're a US model (since your bio here says you live in Portland), you should be getting 35% or $0.35 per $1.00 customers spend on you. Flirtywork is giving you $0.30 per $1.00 customers spend on you and keeping the rest for themselves. That $0.05 may not sound like much, but it's actually quite a lot for them to effectively be doing nothing.
Let's do some math, since your primary concern (very justifiably might I add) is what you're making:
To make $1000 per week, with an average rate of, say $25/hour online, it will take you 40 hours of streaming to hit goal. That's fairly obvious math.
Now, throw in that you're making that $25/hour at 30% through FlirtyWork. What would your hourly rate be with that extra 5%?
Well, $25 divided by 0.30 (30% as a decimal) will yield gross customer spending on you, i.e. $83.33 per hour. If you multiply total customer spending (here, $83.33/hour) by 35% (0.35, as a decimal) you get $29.17 or thereabouts. That means if you're making $25/hour now at 30%, you would make $29.17/hour at 35%.
Redoing our earlier math of $1000/week: $1000 divided by $29.17/hour = 34.3 hours, rounding up. Meaning, essentially, that you just shaved 5.7 hours off of the time you must stream to meet your $1000/week goal.
If you really want to piss yourself off, you can calculate how much FlirtyWork is making off of you. Again, assuming you earn $25/hour at 30% and would make $29.17/hour at 35%, they're pocketing the difference of $4.17/hour that you work. So, if you try to make $1000 and it takes you 40 hours, Flirty work just made $166.80 off of you.
In your earlier post, you said you hit $750 with FlirtyWork. If you take that $750 and divided it by 0.30 (30% as decimal), you get total customer spending on you for the week which is $2500 even. If you had made 35% instead of 30%, your take home pay check would have actually been $875. FlirtyWork pocketed $125 of your earnings for their 'advertising.' You were a lot closer to goal than you think.
Most (not all, but most) models reporting that they make $1000+ per week are non studio girls. I mean, it's easier for them, obviously, because when you aren't giving up a percentage of your earnings your money accumulates faster. You can still break $1000/week, but FlirtyWork is going to hold you back from doing it quickly.
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Remember there are lots of different cam sites on the web & many of us hustle on more than one. :)