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Hey ladies...I often creep the models on Streamate when I have some free time and happened to clip a girl whose "eccentric" looks caught my eye. I clicked and she had gotten up to come close to her camera with her mouth open and I happened to see that she had blood on her teeth. I didn't think anything of it, maybe she had hit her mouth with a toy. Another day I was watching and she had the most frightened look on her face and when there was no one in her room a male would be talking to her, telling her what to do and asking about her profile picture but then he snapped at her and started yelling calling her stupid and fucking this and that. I instantly got the vibe that this may be a studio of some sort. I just did my daily creeping clicked and she now has bruises up her arm that we NOT there earlier today. I know the rule of life is don't get involved in other peoples lives but I find myself thinking about this girl throughout the day. First of what would you guys do? And if need be how would I report possible abuse to streamate. I feel like this might just be a situation I have to sit and watch and can't help in anyway.
Please advise!!
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Oh my goodness. That is really concerning! I wish I had some advice to offer, but I'm still very new to the scene.
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Honestly, I don't know if I would do anything. I would really like to believe that Streamate would investigate this and properly discipline the studio (if not outright report them to their local authorities) but based on Streamate's attitude toward their models I don't think that's what would happen. I'd wager there's about an 80% chance Streamate would completely ignore it and a 20% chance they'd do something entirely unhelpful, such as warn the model or studio (or even punish the model herself--blood on cam is a big no no and SM isn't known for being reasonable.) The studio (or man) obviously controls her account, so there's likely no chance of privately contacting the model herself. If the studio/man finds out that people are reporting the abuse that could just make it worse for her. The same things that stop creepers from finding us would stop concerned viewers like yourself from finding them, and frankly (depending on where they are) law enforcement does not have a great record of handling abuse and they certainly don't have a great record of protecting sex workers. So even though it's awful and my heart goes out to her, I don't know what can be done that wouldn't make it worse for her. It's a really tough situation and it's totally understandable that you feel the need to do something, but like I said... I don't know. Poor girl. :(
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Thats a really tough decision to make, i would hope that it isnt happening but like she said, it probably would just make it worse for her if the studio is in fact abusing her or someone from there is if they get reported. I hate hearing about things like this, coming from an abusive situation i got out of myself it makes me sad to hear about this crap. I dont know if sm would do anything as they might not want to get involved. If you report it i hope that it helps her, this is just awful to hear i hope she gets out of that shit situation if it is infact abuse. I feel sorry for her if its true. Noone should ever have to deal with that. I hope and pray she gets away from that situation if its happening.
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I can't just sit by and watch something like this happening, I would report it.
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I'd take that straight to Liz with screenshots if possible. The reality is that has the potential to get a studio shut down and the site in trouble, not to mention the possibility that a model is being abused being fucking horrible on it's own.
I would frankly say report it to the authorities, but the only people with the access to information to even begin doing that are ownership at Streamate. Ergo, bring it to Liz's attention ([email protected]) as it is an issue of the site getting in possible legal trouble as the intermediary through which this is occurring. Realistically, however, there's very little you can do outside of raising the issue to the higher ups.
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^^ If Liz could do anything at all it would only be if this girl is in US/CA/UK/AU because of language barriers and then what is she going to report to the police?? That a man was yelling at one of the models or the model has bruises on her arm? The police cant go knocking on your door for that!
It kills me to say that because I know how difficult these situations are and I really feel horrible for this poor girl but the only way anyone can do anything is if she asks for help. That whats makes these things so hard.
You could open a customer account, if you dont have one, and contact the model yourself. Just ask her if she goes to the SW forum. Let her know about us. Then maybe we could help her to lose the loser. I have seen girls helped through this forum before and then you put a tool in her hands.
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Yes. Best to open a custie account and type to her in private so the whole room can't read it. most likely if he controls her like that she doesn't have any computer access besides during work. maybe she can open another browser window maybe not.
people record us in free chat all the time. record him yelling at her and then send it to Liz.
sadly now in days there could be guys looking to do things like that sick pervert in ohio on a grander level. could be an mc or a gang also. If I was in that situation I'd want someone to say something.
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I can't even. I would call The Punisher if he existed and let him take care of it all. Wtf is wrong with some people.
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It was bad enough starting camming willingly but doing it being beaten to perform must be destroying the poor girl.
It must be horrible being in a studio that uses fear and abuse to make a girl do anything to get them a few bucks.
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That's exactly it, I was going to just outright report it to Streamate but the fact that the guy is sometimes in the room with her I get the feeling that he has full access to her account and messages. I don't want to make her situation worst. I have trying to find other models that have similar backgrounds to her to connect some dots but no such luck. It says she's from the U.S...she reads all messages out loud in her responses but I think I'm going to go the customer account route.
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Yea, message Liz, especially if she's a US based model.
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I really hope this turns out ok for her, this is a time where i wish i could do something to help. It infuriates me that men act like that towards women. If he is infact abusing her i hope this turns out for the best for her and she can get away from that. Please update if you do report it or have any updates, im praying for this girl. My heart goes out to her.
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If you see suspicious bruises, injuries, etc, take a screenshot. Please do e-mail Liz and let her know what's going on. And I agree that sending her a message from a member account could be helpful, but don't say anything that could end up getting her in more trouble with the pimp. He's probably monitoring everything on her account.
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What accent does she read out loud in? indicates that the man cant read afford a mirror screen or just plain cant speak or read English.
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You really don't know what you are messing with when it comes to reporting something like this. You don't know the full context of what you thought you saw.
So what if you report you could really be putting people in a situation where they don't need any trouble in their business.
When you really break it down cam sites owners really don't care or want to get involved in our personal lives.
A lot of models are on cam because they have no other job options at all and it's not just models in US/CA or UK
abuse on cam is horrible I know I lived it - use to get slapped in the back of the head to smile while on cam or get yelled at from a guy in another room watching me that wasn't performing like the other models on cam.
as long they are not breaking any site rules in the model agreement I would just stay out of it.
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Actually, if she is a US model, there is a precedent for the site dealing with it and getting the authorities involved. A situation a year or so back on SM arose where a model had her very young daughter on camera and was openly advertising to members that she would fuck the child in private. It took some time (and a bit of public attention), but the account was down within a week and the models who caught onto it were actually contacted by the FBI and told the child had been removed from the home. I realize this isn't at the same level as child abuse on camera, but it is still something that has been dealt with.
My two major concerns, as I've already voiced are a) potential abuse/pimping situation and b) legal ramifications for the site. We all work there. None of us want this ish around. Realistically, the only people with power to do anything at all (including determining if there actually is a real problem) are the higher ups in site ownership. Even making a customer account and asking what's going on is unlikely to end with anything positive. Liz may not have the power to do much, but she has more than any of us do. Any communication you send to Liz, especially if you include proof, is going to be private. Anything you end directly to the models account is unlikely to remain private.
Shitty, shitty situation regardless.