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Be careful Cam4 stole my money
Hi for every colleague,
I want to share my experience with cam4, i made some earn with them about 1 month, after making 1000 dollars in one month i never have issue with them neither illegal activity, i received from many users about 1000$ when i request payment first they told me my account was suspended to make investigation anti-fraud (but before this investigation normally they did 3 days delay to verify if money are legal or not). After two days of investigation i send them another mail they answer me directly that my account was banned due to high percentage of void on my earn : many guys that give me tokens they ensure to me that credit card was legal & not stolen:
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And the very strange thing they request to me a validation of my account another time & also they told me to not do another new account (what is really my mistake ???)
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I sent mail to [email protected] & support they didn't answer
What i should do ? this was my only source of revenue :(
Best regards.
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Holy crap I'm sorry you're going through this, charge backs are shitty showing disregard for their models. I would move on and never look back at scam4..
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Originally Posted by
evecandauli
Hi for every colleague,
I want to share my experience with cam4, i made some earn with them about 1 month, after making 1000 dollars in one month i never have issue with them neither illegal activity, i received from many users about 1000$ when i request payment first they told me my account was suspended to make investigation anti-fraud (but before this investigation normally they did 3 days delay to verify if money are legal or not). After two days of investigation i send them another mail they answer me directly that my account was banned due to high percentage of void on my earn : many guys that give me tokens they ensure to me that credit card was legal & not stolen:
Attachment 44722
And the very strange thing they request to me a validation of my account another time & also they told me to not do another new account (what is really my mistake ???)
Attachment 44723
I sent mail to
[email protected] & support they didn't answer
What i should do ? this was my only source of revenue :(
Best regards.
Hey, I'm on cam4 too and they are terrible! One time my profile was hacked, other time I had chargebacks, all in all it's awful to work there, so I'm quitting soon. I don't know how to help you, because when I had troubles with my account support wasn't helpful at all, I think they were ignoring me! I used to email them 10x a day and I got answers 8 days later. I just wanted to tell you my experience and recommend you to try other sites.
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Well, I won't be camming there anymore. WTF. I hope you get your money back!
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I have a story to tell about cam4 but after back from the shops, to be edited soon.
They suck big style, real thieves, bleah!!
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Why punish the model for customers spending on a stolen credit card?
Hire a lawyer. Do not go back and forth emailing a bunch of ass clowns.
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So this sounds like the charge back crap that cam sites did for a decade coming back in another form. Since we have NOOOOO control over billing & charge backs, nor do they ever inform us to whom is doing it keeping the custies information private there is no way for us to combat it. I find it sketchy & a way to commit fraud on us.
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Ok, a couple years back cam4 advertised hourly bonus for the sign ups so i together with a girl i was talking back then decided to sign up for cam4 considering we were going to earn some hourly money besides the money made in shows/tips.
Guess what happened? After i applied they rejected my application permanently w.o giving me a reason at all, they deleted log in data including my email address from their files, there was no way to log into my account anymore nor did they answer my emails anymore.
I asked in here in the thread kim opened, she answered me guess what?! that my application was rejected and all my data deleted due to the fact i commit fraud on their site as a model, imagine! when i was actually never worked for cam4 before! i asked for proof of what they saying, i asked to be sent the pictures i was previously approved with and my documents scans, all the documents they pretend i used to do what?! fraud the site??!! HA!!
Of course they had nothing to show as proof and came up with the explanation all previous data are deleted now, was too long ago. LOL.
How do u know it's me again then if u have nothing in ur files from my previous activity on site as u claim?
It was all bullshit, just a made up reason because they did not wanted me on site, either cause of my e.european nationality or my looks, age, whatever.
Then later on i found out they did not even pay the hourly bonus to everyone but selected models from selected locations, so even if i was to cam there i would not have gotten the hourly bonus anyway. Pathetic and lame!
And this thing with the fraud and not paying the model now $1k? Bullshit again, this is a way to steal money from the models, it's soo damn obvious, after she made &1k and it's time to pay her u pretend it's fraud on model's part? How the heck u prove this to me, the model? Even there are members who might commit fraud by visiting me, why is my damn problem but yours actually to verify ur members? I tell u what, they take advantage of the whole situation and scam models simply, they commit fraud, not us, they scam and mistreat mostly models from certain regions, not all of us.
I know Ifriends did this, ImLive, Jasmin, many sites did and do this and there is no way to verify if there is an issue with the member CC or is pure bullshit but us models are not stupid, WE NOT STUPID CAM4, we know ur practices, we know you are thieves, u and all the sites still doing this crap. Shame on You, u suck big style!
I lost a lot of money over these bad practices on these sites, 25% of my income was kept by these thieves, Ifriends needed a reason to change from 50% pay to 35% guaranteed so they hit us badly with pretended chargebacks, ImLive too, they hit us soo bad with CB's, Jasmin too, even Bonga now seem to do this here and there, is how they understand to treat their models by stealing the money off our pockets.
Why do u guys think i choose to stay with SM even they not perfect? Because they never touched my money which for me is a huge thing i tell u, i bitch about SM a lot regarding other matters but when it comes to money, hat down SM, u play fair here!
End rant! Not editing this lol otherwise i change my mind and start to delete stuff, soo pissed to read cam4 again crew things up, i at least did not loose money but this poor model lost &1k? Shame on u cam4 and Kim, dont dare to comment on my post!
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Originally Posted by
evecandauli
Hi for every colleague,
I want to share my experience with cam4, i made some earn with them about 1 month, after making 1000 dollars in one month i never have issue with them neither illegal activity, i received from many users about 1000$ when i request payment first they told me my account was suspended to make investigation anti-fraud (but before this investigation normally they did 3 days delay to verify if money are legal or not). After two days of investigation i send them another mail they answer me directly that my account was banned due to high percentage of void on my earn : many guys that give me tokens they ensure to me that credit card was legal & not stolen:
Attachment 44722
And the very strange thing they request to me a validation of my account another time & also they told me to not do another new account (what is really my mistake ???)
Attachment 44723
I sent mail to
[email protected] & support they didn't answer
What i should do ? this was my only source of revenue :(
Best regards.
WOW! I'm sorry to hear this, evecandauli! :( I hope that you can get your $1,000 back and into your hands, and that you move on to a different cam site where they'll treat you better and not fuck you over. There is a good amount of options (other cam sites) for you to choose from.
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evecandauli
What i should do ? this was my only source of revenue :(
I'd keep badgering them through all of their forms of contact.... email, phone, twitter, etc.
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You also should try to branch out to more sites. Its not a good idea to depend on 1 site or have one source of income. If you like token sites try Chaturbate *The Chaturbate thread*, MFC *The MyFreeCams Thread* and maybe even Bonga *BongaCams Official Thread*. Maybe try phone sex and content selling as well. I posted a mega list of income sources in the SM thread, here's the link if you want to check it out *More Income*. I hope you get your money.
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Sorry that happened thats awful, hope you get your money.
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I know it seems like good advice to get a lawyer, but you have to sue a company where it is incorporated. Most lawyers in general wont pursue a case for $1000 no money in it for them.
What they don't realize is we are all connected & networked, no longer will we blindly work for companies that rip us off. We will spread the word & avoid them. So in them keeping that $1000 will cost them when 1 girl, 10 girls, 50 girls don't sign up or no longer log in cause they are afraid of their money being taken in the same manner.
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On top of getting a lawyer, plaster the cam4 thread with what you've posted here.
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Sam38g
I know it seems like good advice to get a lawyer, but you have to sue a company where it is incorporated. Most lawyers in general wont pursue a case for $1000 no money in it for them.
What they don't realize is we are all connected & networked, no longer will we blindly work for companies that rip us off. We will spread the word & avoid them. So in them keeping that $1000 will cost them when 1 girl, 10 girls, 50 girls don't sign up or no longer log in cause they are afraid of their money being taken in the same manner.
Yes, agree, how to sue a company from USA if i am in europe for example? OP is french i guess? Somewhere in europe? Do u guys realize how much it costs to just do this? This is not an easy thing to do when u living soo far away the company u wanna sue. Not even local girls have resources to fight these companies, it costs too much simply.
But yes, these sites loose business cause of bad reputation, girls dont wanna work with them (anymore), these sites dont see the big picture, they happy to keep $1k from a girl or few but loose a lot more cause of bad reputation. They even get bad reputation for taking few tokens away model's pockets, i mean seriously, is it worth to just damage ur reputation for a few $$$?
But for the OP $1k is a lot, is a lot for me too, that's serious money over here.
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But seriously fuck the chargeback nonsense!!! It's so incredibly easy for a company to lie about the validity of a chargeback if there was even one to begin with. It's a sure way to be a slime ball. At this moment you can't be sure all 1k was on a stolen card, you just have to take their word for it? Shady. It's so easy to say "oh, well all your money got charged back sorry. You're deleted" and keep your 1k. How many people they've done this to? It'd be scary to really know.
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I have heard about issues with CAM4 since a long time ago. Issues like this one. Unfortunately is not enough to spread the word here.
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Yeah. It sounds like a scam all the way around. tell you it's a chargeback and steal your $$$. I'd also keep and eye on your credit reports. They may be selling models information. Social security, birthday ect. Then someone else can pretend to be you and open all sorts of credit and then charge it up and default on it with you holding the bag. I'm surprised they are still in business treating people that way. So sorry you had to deal with that crap.
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I posted a link to this thread in the main Cam4 thread and DM'ed Kim on Twitter to bring her attention to this so hopefully she'll come and comment on the situation and/or help the OP to resolve this.
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Hello Ladies,
While I cannot go into specific details on someone's personal account I can say this:
At one time or another you are going to suffer a fraudulent tip either through a charge back or a bad card. In these cases the company eats the cost as we do not want to pass that onto our performers. However, if we have a performer that has a high percentage of their earnings as fraud (regardless the reason) this is not only a liability to us, but other performers as well, and those accounts are closed. The percentage used is double that of other cam sites as we do our best to give the performers the benefit of the doubt.
Many of you have been with us for years and are aware that as a cam site, it's our goal to keep performers in the site so banning someone is not something that is done lightly.
Thanks,
Kim
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Semyonovna,
It sounds to me as if you may have accepted a show outside the site and someone sent you a file or you clicked a link which then installed a trojan which captured your log in information. I have not seen any "hacked accounts". This is why we tell performers to stay IN the site as you put yourself at risk otherwise. Social engineering is a huge issue for many performers and us asking that you remain in the site is not for our benefit but your own.
The staff does not ignore a member - they may be waiting for you to write via the contact form as this gives them information as to whether or not you are the true owner of the account. They will also request logs so that they can be sure that your computer is clean from any and all infections that will continue to put you at risk or any other performer/member.
If you wish hon, you can write to me privately at [email protected] and I will walk you through making sure everything is ok with your account.
Thanks!
Kim
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Sam38g, I just saw your question on another board and will address it there.
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Similar thing happened to me a couple of years ago...luckily i cashed out a few hundred that I had earned earlier, and they only kept $20 that I earned after i cashed out. They also tried to recall the wire that they sent to my bank account, but my bank would not return it to them. I did try to find out what happened, and all I was told that my account was deleted due to fraud.
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Originally Posted by
Kim - Cam4
Hello Ladies,
While I cannot go into specific details on someone's personal account I can say this:
At one time or another you are going to suffer a fraudulent tip either through a charge back or a bad card. In these cases the company eats the cost as we do not want to pass that onto our performers. However, if we have a performer that has a high percentage of their earnings as fraud (regardless the reason) this is not only a liability to us, but other performers as well, and those accounts are closed. The percentage used is double that of other cam sites as we do our best to give the performers the benefit of the doubt.
Many of you have been with us for years and are aware that as a cam site, it's our goal to keep performers in the site so banning someone is not something that is done lightly.
Thanks,
Kim
Dear,
Thanks to all my colleagues that supports me
The guy ensure to me that the credit card was not stolen (even he sent funds directly to my credit card & the operation was done normally & he puts his name/ adress & confirm to me that he was the sender) so it sure now that cam4 stoles my 1000$.
Any way cam4 (kim) pretend that he answers of all mail that he received in this thread:
you can see below that he never answer me when sending mail:
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You can see that also by his answer that he accept to ban people from the first time without reason (this is something normal for cam4).
Best regards.
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First of all, u mean u have a member who spent on you on cam4 then sent u money directly? Which means u actually took a member off cam4 platform to pay u directly, which again i dont think cam4 is happy about so THIS could be the reason they deleted ur account?! Is this what u saying, that u exchanged contact info with the cam4 member while on cam4?!
Not that i care about cam4 as i myself had issues with them as i explained in here but now u give new info and if what i read is what u mean then THIS could have get u in trouble? Most sites wont allow u to exchange contact info with their members so they can pay u directly and i think cam4 is one of them?!
Secondly, Kim is a lady not a man.
Pls clarify cause i really wish to understand the situation ty.