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Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
Today I was on cam and like I said in a previous thread, it isn't going well for me at all. I spend a lot of time on cam a day (usually up to 6 hours or so) and can't even make 100$ a day. I try everything, show face, my body etc, even have toys, and I'm not exactly ugly, a lot of people actually say I'm good looking. I have a shitty self esteem tho.
Today on cam I was having a lot of cheap guys (i work on chaturbate so i know when they have tokens or not). When I said I was flashing for lets say 50, they replied with "20" or "30" less than I was asking for, and I obviously didn't do for that cheap so they just leave. Also some guy with tokens pmed me and started saying he was going to give his opinion on how to make better shows and that he wants to help. I told him his opinions don't pay my bills and he called me hostile and said that's why no one is in my room and if I look at the top models they aren't hostile ofc.
I deal with this kind of shit a lot. I have a really low patient for cheap people and I tell them that.
Anyone knows how I can try to be less "hostile" with this kind of idiots? Sorry for the rant, it just happened now and I'm really close to a breakdown tbh.
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
Cheap men mean nothing about you. They are really just telling you "I am literally a worthless creature who mindlessly pursues yanking my worm all day". Cheap/won't pay=worthless.
I don't work very much on CB because frankly, I warn people after the first time they try to bargain that my prices are non-negotiable, and then ban them regardless of what site I'm on; and CB seemed to have a lot more freeloaders/cheap guys. Maybe try reading over tips/asking for in the CB thread or think about trying out a different type of site for a bit.
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...turbate-thread
If your mental health is suffering, maybe look at some of the jobs in the WAH thread that aren't camming related:
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...From-Home-Opps
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
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Originally Posted by
Marzaylea
Today I was on cam and like I said in a previous thread, it isn't going well for me at all. I spend a lot of time on cam a day (usually up to 6 hours or so) and can't even make 100$ a day. I try everything, show face, my body etc, even have toys, and I'm not exactly ugly, a lot of people actually say I'm good looking. I have a shitty self esteem tho.
Today on cam I was having a lot of cheap guys (i work on chaturbate so i know when they have tokens or not). When I said I was flashing for lets say 50, they replied with "20" or "30" less than I was asking for, and I obviously didn't do for that cheap so they just leave. Also some guy with tokens pmed me and started saying he was going to give his opinion on how to make better shows and that he wants to help. I told him his opinions don't pay my bills and he called me hostile and said that's why no one is in my room and if I look at the top models they aren't hostile ofc.
I deal with this kind of shit a lot. I have a really low patient for cheap people and I tell them that.
Anyone knows how I can try to be less "hostile" with this kind of idiots? Sorry for the rant, it just happened now and I'm really close to a breakdown tbh.
I don't know exactly how to fix your confidence. But number one you cannot let these guys get to you. If he really wanted to help then he could have given you some fucking money to put a smile your face. I usually silently block those guys and keep a sweet smile on my face while i do it. Of course on CB everyone sees that you've blocked a guy. I remember some guys would go "What did you do that for?" So then I blocked them too until the rest of them got the picture. I do private based sites and skype shows mostly because I don't have the time to build up a fun room on token sites. And you really do have to be upbeat and peppy on tokens sites. If this is a problem for you then maybe try somewhere else? My other advice to you is when you feel like you are starting to doubt yourself, log off. They can smell the uncertainty. Losers pick up on it right away and start negging you. Come back when you are in a better mood.
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
Men equate standing up for yourself as being self confident. Don't ever be afraid to put an asshole in his rightful place. Being "nice" is fake and harmful to the psyche. You have every right to ban and/or tell off the bastards who insult you. It's fun too.
My favorite line: "Is your brain made of shit? Because your insults stink!"
If they call you a bitch, "Wow, now don't take your mommy issues out on me."
If they call you a cunt, "You must be from Australia, over there cunt is a form of endearment, so thank you."
Of course, there are a few guys who will get off on you humiliating them, in that case you'll need to make them pay you to keep shitting on them.
Practice comebacks in the mirror and/or with other people, record yourself on your phone and play it back until you are 100% confident in your abilities. You have the power, don't let anyone take it away from you.
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
Would it have hurt to listen to what the guy who PMed you had to say? If he wasn't asking for anything from you, anything free, etc., let him waste his own time and run his mouth. I mean, maybe what he said would have been total bullshit - or MAYBE he had something to say that would have been helpful! None of us are in your room, we can't necessarily pinpoint any one thing that you might be doing ... but if he was not just being a timewasting asshole and genuinely trying to help ... what would that have hurt?
My first night on MFC I had a few guys who were nice and hanging around, and I had one of them PM me and we chatted a bit and he offered me some suggestions. I took what I wanted to from what he said, and discarded the rest. He didn't ask for free tits, or something from me. He offered me advice. I could take it or leave it.
But I agree with the other girls - if you're feeling shitty, they'll know. Don't let the assholes get to you. Smile, keep going, and let it all be water rolling off a duck's back. One thing to think of ... are you newer on CB? Or have you been there a while? If you're new, are you charging what the established girls are charging for their things? If so, this might be an issue because you're not as established as they are? If guys don't know your track record, they might feel that 'investing' their 50 tk might not give them the return they want - it's a risky investment. Whereas they might easily drop 50-100tk on a more established girl because they know she has the proven, positive track record and the acceptable return on their investment is likely high.
So read the threads, maybe lurk in some other girls' rooms if you haven't already ... and take a few moments to breathe, forgive yourself, heal, and practice genuine self-care.
Good luck, lovely. :)
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
Really not your problem if they can't afford you. Focus on the guys who can and do pay and give them your attention.
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Talk about freeloaders and cheap guys!.. I banned one yesterday on F4F.. now he is trolling me with every account he can possibly get on TWITTER.. I reported him 3 times.. on these profiles? I noticed he is trolling other cammodels and saying rude things.. probably cuz he is a cheapo freeloader most of the time.. Ain't nobody got time for that.. I am trying to make money.. not be your fucking friend!.. Friends with money is what I like!
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Why should she waste her time talking to a guy who isn't paying? WHY?.. that's another minute she doesn't get paid.. for what? we are not these guys REAL friends.. Also taking advice from cam customers? very questionable.. they truly do NOT know what makes you money and what doesn't.. I would not be taking their advice.. they think being naked in free chat all day will make you money.. not really!
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Originally Posted by
avalon_rose
Would it have hurt to listen to what the guy who PMed you had to say? If he wasn't asking for anything from you, anything free, etc., let him waste his own time and run his mouth. I mean, maybe what he said would have been total bullshit - or MAYBE he had something to say that would have been helpful! None of us are in your room, we can't necessarily pinpoint any one thing that you might be doing ... but if he was not just being a timewasting asshole and genuinely trying to help ... what would that have hurt?
My first night on MFC I had a few guys who were nice and hanging around, and I had one of them PM me and we chatted a bit and he offered me some suggestions. I took what I wanted to from what he said, and discarded the rest. He didn't ask for free tits, or something from me. He offered me advice. I could take it or leave it.
But I agree with the other girls - if you're feeling shitty, they'll know. Don't let the assholes get to you. Smile, keep going, and let it all be water rolling off a duck's back. One thing to think of ... are you newer on CB? Or have you been there a while? If you're new, are you charging what the established girls are charging for their things? If so, this might be an issue because you're not as established as they are? If guys don't know your track record, they might feel that 'investing' their 50 tk might not give them the return they want - it's a risky investment. Whereas they might easily drop 50-100tk on a more established girl because they know she has the proven, positive track record and the acceptable return on their investment is likely high.
So read the threads, maybe lurk in some other girls' rooms if you haven't already ... and take a few moments to breathe, forgive yourself, heal, and practice genuine self-care.
Good luck, lovely. :)
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anonymous camgirl
Why should she waste her time talking to a guy who isn't paying? WHY?.. that's another minute she doesn't get paid.. for what? we are not these guys REAL friends.. Also taking advice from cam customers? very questionable.. they truly do NOT know what makes you money and what doesn't.. I would not be taking their advice.. they think being naked in free chat all day will make you money.. not really!
If he sent her a PM, all she had to do was say, "I'm listening" or something and let him ramble. She can still pay attention to her room and he can tell her what he has to say. Maybe he would have told her, "You have this weird look on your face the whole time you're in free chat." And, if she wanted to, she could adjust accordingly. He could have complete shit to say. Or maybe he could have had some piece of constructive criticism that might have actually helped. I'm not saying to let some random guy run her/your business, but if you're attempting to entice people to pay you, it might benefit to hear what they want to pay for. Maybe she'd be like, "Oh, I didn't think of that ... okay I can see how this might work, let me twist it this way, my way, and I can put my spin on it and see if that tweak helps/works". Or, she could be like, "Fuck that ... if that's what this website is about, I'm going to look elsewhere."
I'm not saying sit there and spend all your time focusing solely on this customer. I'm not saying ignore everyone else. I'm also not saying that anything him or any other customer would have to say or suggest is complete gold ... but if she's struggling and coming here to ask us for help ... and someone else was offering her help freely ... what would it have hurt to hear what someone experiencing her show had to say?
With respect to the bolded from the quote - they don't run your business. Of course they're not going to know specific tactics to make money. You're not going to take what they say verbatim. But that doesn't mean that they might not have something you can't use and tweak and incorporate somehow into your business. I'm not sure what your customers are like, but I have plenty who know that nudity in free chat isn't free for them. Are there guys who would tell you to do that? Duh. Of course. They're the same ones that tell you, "flash me ur tits bb and i'll take you for 5 mins pvt". And that they'll "spend so much on u bb, just lemme see ur ass". But not all customers are lowlife, ridiculous, skeezy, scheming assholes.
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
One must pay me to pay attention.
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I dunno how long you have been camming.. but listening to a guy rant away.. is seriously DRAINING on your body and mind.
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Originally Posted by
avalon_rose
If he sent her a PM, all she had to do was say, "I'm listening" or something and let him ramble. She can still pay attention to her room and he can tell her what he has to say. Maybe he would have told her, "You have this weird look on your face the whole time you're in free chat." And, if she wanted to, she could adjust accordingly. He could have complete shit to say. Or maybe he could have had some piece of constructive criticism that might have actually helped. I'm not saying to let some random guy run her/your business, but if you're attempting to entice people to pay you, it might benefit to hear what they want to pay for. Maybe she'd be like, "Oh, I didn't think of that ... okay I can see how this might work, let me twist it this way, my way, and I can put my spin on it and see if that tweak helps/works". Or, she could be like, "Fuck that ... if that's what this website is about, I'm going to look elsewhere."
I'm not saying sit there and spend all your time focusing solely on this customer. I'm not saying ignore everyone else. I'm also not saying that anything him or any other customer would have to say or suggest is complete gold ... but if she's struggling and coming here to ask us for help ... and someone else was offering her help freely ... what would it have hurt to hear what someone experiencing her show had to say?
With respect to the bolded from the quote - they don't run your business. Of course they're not going to know specific tactics to make money. You're not going to take what they say verbatim. But that doesn't mean that they might not have something you can't use and tweak and incorporate somehow into your business. I'm not sure what your customers are like, but I have plenty who know that nudity in free chat isn't free for them. Are there guys who would tell you to do that? Duh. Of course. They're the same ones that tell you, "flash me ur tits bb and i'll take you for 5 mins pvt". And that they'll "spend so much on u bb, just lemme see ur ass". But not all customers are lowlife, ridiculous, skeezy, scheming assholes.
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Originally Posted by
anonymous camgirl
I dunno how long you have been camming.. but listening to a guy rant away.. is seriously DRAINING on your body and mind.
I'm brand new. I guess I haven't reached that point yet. Oh, well. I offer a POV ... take what you want, discard what you don't. Still hope the OP feels better and things improve for her soon.
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I get people on CB give me good advice all of the time. Fortunately, I also have been reading this thread, so it is usually already stuff I have learned from you ladies. Then I do get the guys who want to help but their suggestion is something ridiculous like, "Maybe if you flash every now and then, people will tip." Then I just say, "That's how this works," and let it be.
Also, you can see who has tokens, etc, on Chaturbate, but that doesn't always mean something. I've had grays ask about privates, and my mods tell them, "You don't have tokens so it doesn't matter." or me just ignore them, then a few minutes later, the person who was gray is taking me to private. Someone can buy tokens at any time. Someone with tokens can decide to spend them elsewhere.
Token sites are a balance of being friendly and fun and not thinking about making money while trying to make money... I don't have it mastered, at all, but I do know I have the most fun and make the most money when things flow and I don't have to focus on who isn't tipping and who is and we are all just in the room chatting and playing.
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My best advice -- instead of getting angry/frustrated (way easier said than done, I know) is to take their suggestions, their remarks, and ALWAYS turn it around into a sale for you. "You might get tipped more often if you flash" -- Well, then why don't you tip me and get the ball rolling? "You seem so hostile, thats why no one is paying you" -- Why don't you tip me and see how friendly I can be when guys treat me right? Even if it's kinda bitchy, I've found that they will either tip you or clear off after that and if there IS a guy with money that's been thinking of tipping you -- generally, he will appreciate you for being intelligent but also confident enough to tell that custie you aren't playing his games. At least that's been my experience. When you're mean to a freeloader, sometimes other guys with money will swoop in to make him look a fool... When they do that -- glam it up! Thank that person so much and we so friendly and smile and be so happy -- that will really remind the freeloading pricks that if they want THAT kind of attention from you, then they need to exhibit THAT kind of behavior to get it!
Also, another cam girl here on this site suggested reading some books/articles about hustling/etc. One I read was Ho Tactics: How To MindF**k A Man Into Spending, Spoiling, and Sponsoring by GL Lambert -- VERY interesting read with some good tips you can take away for how to talk to the guys who DO have money, at least, and then just ignore/ban/kick/laugh at the losers who can't afford your attention.
REMEMBER!
YOU ARE A LUXURY!
NOT A NECESSITY!
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
You are not hostile, you just don't like how you are being treated which is legit. The way I see it, my room is like my house so if anyone is rude/mean/abusive/wasting my time, I kick or ban them. I don't entertain second class behaviors. This is a no assholes zone!
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
What apps or bots are you running. Sometimes I do one called tip goal, if you set it at 50 tkns to flash tits then every tip goes towards that goal.
There are many articles & books on how to build self esteem & confidence. Also may I suggest you do a bit of research on how to do sales too. You are emoting that when you are feeling that way, they pick up on it as desperate & will hound the hell out of you. Got to get into a different head space. Try before you log onto cam looking into the mirror & tell yourself how hot you are, that men can't resist you, they will give you all their money with very little in return. It works.
Just showing tits, ass, dancing or using toys isn't enough, you have to be selling at all times but not so much you run them off. It is a weird balance that changes from day to day.
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
Googling and shopping carting HO TaCTICS on title alone, thx girl
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Because!.. What WE say is actually helpful!.. what they say is actually hurtful.. let's not forget that they are men... the majority of men are selfish , egotistical and narcissistic and truly don't care about hurting women as long as they get what they want.. I am not BEING bitter, I am being realistic . I have seen a lot of men's behavior the last 3 decades.. I am 43.. so this is just retrospect.. Men ONLY give you anything that benefits them first.. trust that..
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Originally Posted by
avalon_rose
If he sent her a PM, all she had to do was say, "I'm listening" or something and let him ramble. She can still pay attention to her room and he can tell her what he has to say. Maybe he would have told her, "You have this weird look on your face the whole time you're in free chat." And, if she wanted to, she could adjust accordingly. He could have complete shit to say. Or maybe he could have had some piece of constructive criticism that might have actually helped. I'm not saying to let some random guy run her/your business, but if you're attempting to entice people to pay you, it might benefit to hear what they want to pay for. Maybe she'd be like, "Oh, I didn't think of that ... okay I can see how this might work, let me twist it this way, my way, and I can put my spin on it and see if that tweak helps/works". Or, she could be like, "Fuck that ... if that's what this website is about, I'm going to look elsewhere."
I'm not saying sit there and spend all your time focusing solely on this customer. I'm not saying ignore everyone else. I'm also not saying that anything him or any other customer would have to say or suggest is complete gold ... but if she's struggling and coming here to ask us for help ... and someone else was offering her help freely ... what would it have hurt to hear what someone experiencing her show had to say?
With respect to the bolded from the quote - they don't run your business. Of course they're not going to know specific tactics to make money. You're not going to take what they say verbatim. But that doesn't mean that they might not have something you can't use and tweak and incorporate somehow into your business. I'm not sure what your customers are like, but I have plenty who know that nudity in free chat isn't free for them. Are there guys who would tell you to do that? Duh. Of course. They're the same ones that tell you, "flash me ur tits bb and i'll take you for 5 mins pvt". And that they'll "spend so much on u bb, just lemme see ur ass". But not all customers are lowlife, ridiculous, skeezy, scheming assholes.
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I need to get this book.. I could use some more HO tactics.. maybe I already know them? who knows.. I am always looking to learn how to get better at what I do.
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foxxxydiva
Googling and shopping carting HO TaCTICS on title alone, thx girl
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
Most important thing, in my experience, to know why u re here, what u want. There ll be always tons of motherfuckers who ll do anything to piss u off, make u feel bad or whatever.
Do not take it personal ever. These guys just go anywhere - in your room now, than they go to another - to do the same shit
There is enough shit in this job anyway. Focus on yourself and on whatever what helps u to stay in a good balance.
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Originally Posted by
anonymous camgirl
because!.. What we say is actually helpful!.. What they say is actually hurtful.. Let's not forget that they are men... The majority of men are selfish , egotistical and narcissistic and truly don't care about hurting women as long as they get what they want.. I am not being bitter, i am being realistic . I have seen a lot of men's behavior the last 3 decades.. I am 43.. So this is just retrospect.. Men only give you anything that benefits them first.. Trust that..
this!!! Amen!!!!!
This phrase made me remember about all theese douchebags who are dating girls and they are all sweet and such untill they get the magic pussy. After that they just dump the girl, don't answer to her calls anymore, she is crying thinking how she was tricked, while he is already hunting for new pussy with no regrets.
That's why I always say: The less attention you give them, the more will want you. NEVER give them easy what they want, because once they get it, you will mean nothing anymore.
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The good new is, it costs NOTHING, $0.00 to feel good about yourself. You can start now!
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Marzaylea
I have a shitty self esteem tho.
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Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
As a camgirl, none of your customers can actually ever have your pussy. You could fuck yourself with the camera and still, their dick is still in their own hand. Use this to your advantage. I am constantly amazed by how much power men give to us.
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Originally Posted by
Marzaylea
Today I was on cam and like I said in a previous thread, it isn't going well for me at all. I spend a lot of time on cam a day (usually up to 6 hours or so) and can't even make 100$ a day. I try everything, show face, my body etc, even have toys, and I'm not exactly ugly, a lot of people actually say I'm good looking. I have a shitty self esteem tho.
Today on cam I was having a lot of cheap guys (i work on chaturbate so i know when they have tokens or not). When I said I was flashing for lets say 50, they replied with "20" or "30" less than I was asking for, and I obviously didn't do for that cheap so they just leave. Also some guy with tokens pmed me and started saying he was going to give his opinion on how to make better shows and that he wants to help. I told him his opinions don't pay my bills and he called me hostile and said that's why no one is in my room and if I look at the top models they aren't hostile ofc.
I deal with this kind of shit a lot. I have a really low patient for cheap people and I tell them that.
Anyone knows how I can try to be less "hostile" with this kind of idiots? Sorry for the rant, it just happened now and I'm really close to a breakdown tbh.
I'm proud of you for sticking to your guns and not lowering your price for cheap assholes. And for telling off that loser trying to give you unsolicited advice. I'm not all that familiar with CB, but when I was on MFC I used to mute the guests and basics so that only the premiums could talk in my room. Cam girls are a LUXURY; not a necessity, and dudes who like to sit around in chat rooms playing Let's-Make-A-Deal with cam girls need to just exit stage left and go jack off to some free porn or something. Let me try going to Red Lobster and negotiating prices on their biscuits...or their Chocolate Wave dessert, and see how far that gets me...
Don't be afraid to use that ban button either. You will usually witness the WORST behavior from guys in free chat areas...they wanna see all the good stuff for free or as little as possible.
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I think , many of those trolls, just want power over a woman. To make themselves feel better /stronger whatever. If they dont have the money, they go rude, maybe that works. So primitive. I m pretty sure, many of them "thinking" on this line. They aint even realize.
" I told him his opinions don't pay my bills and he called me hostile and said that's why no one is in my room "
I'd say: dont say anything to them. Only if u wanna make fun of them. They ll always go more rough, if u give them any reaction.
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