Re: Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
You had a shitty night on cam. They happen. It's part of the business.
You weren't being hostile. You were sticking to your guns.
Dudes who call you a bitch, say you're being hostile, unfriendly, or otherwise insult you--notice when they're doing it. Did you just reject their 'advances?' Congratulations: they're butt hurt and lashing out. That says something about them, not you.
Here's the deal: a lot of men have no respect for camgirls. They'll abuse the shit out of you given the opportunity and happily make you doubt yourself until your price is lowered to one they are comfortable with.
If you ever want a reality check about the caliber of internet trolls out there or are starting to think 'you know, maybe he is just trying to help,' do yourself a favor. Grab a glass of wine and strap your pussy down while you google 'would you ever date a camgirl' and 'what do men think of camgirls.' It's ugly, full stop. Reddit is an enlightening place, let me tell you. If you survived the opinions of a chunk of the general male population in regards to our datability and profession, you can try looking up 'ways to get the most out of your money' on customer forums. There are entire fucking how to guides on making nice with models so you never have to spend a dime to get their attention and get your dick off. Not threads--forums. Are there exceptions to those opinions? Sure, if you're comfortable with a ratio of 1 unicorn to every 10000 assholes.
The cliff notes version is that many men think of camgirls as sluts who couldn't get a better job, are around for their pleasure, just do it for the attention, deserve their abuse, are entitled bitches who expect to get everything for nothing, etc., etc., etc. These dudes are fucking angry as hell that you make money by claiming ownership of your body. They find you attractive and therefore it is your fault that they can't afford it, right now, and whenever they want, however they want.
THOSE are the types of men giving you 'advice' unsolicited. They aren't there to be your friends. They aren't there to help you succeed. They're talking to you, because and only because, they want something for themselves.
You are the hustler. Do not let them work their hustles on you.
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Giving me advice is 50 tkns per suggestion.
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Giving me advice is 50 tkns per suggestion.
Why so cheap bb? LOL
I charge exclusive rates to ignore that shit. Working fine for me so far.
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^^ to be honest I dont even know what those tkns translate into in real $$ I just picked a value. Im all SM all day! But yeah charge accordingly! ;)
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If he sent her a PM, all she had to do was say, "I'm listening" or something and let him ramble. She can still pay attention to her room and he can tell her what he has to say. Maybe he would have told her, "You have this weird look on your face the whole time you're in free chat." And, if she wanted to, she could adjust accordingly. He could have complete shit to say. Or maybe he could have had some piece of constructive criticism that might have actually helped. I'm not saying to let some random guy run her/your business, but if you're attempting to entice people to pay you, it might benefit to hear what they want to pay for. Maybe she'd be like, "Oh, I didn't think of that ... okay I can see how this might work, let me twist it this way, my way, and I can put my spin on it and see if that tweak helps/works". Or, she could be like, "Fuck that ... if that's what this website is about, I'm going to look elsewhere."
I'm not saying sit there and spend all your time focusing solely on this customer. I'm not saying ignore everyone else. I'm also not saying that anything him or any other customer would have to say or suggest is complete gold ... but if she's struggling and coming here to ask us for help ... and someone else was offering her help freely ... what would it have hurt to hear what someone experiencing her show had to say?
With respect to the bolded from the quote - they don't run your business. Of course they're not going to know specific tactics to make money. You're not going to take what they say verbatim. But that doesn't mean that they might not have something you can't use and tweak and incorporate somehow into your business. I'm not sure what your customers are like, but I have plenty who know that nudity in free chat isn't free for them. Are there guys who would tell you to do that? Duh. Of course. They're the same ones that tell you, "flash me ur tits bb and i'll take you for 5 mins pvt". And that they'll "spend so much on u bb, just lemme see ur ass". But not all customers are lowlife, ridiculous, skeezy, scheming assholes.
I see what you're saying, but at the same time she doesn't want to encourage this sort of behavior (guys thinking they can get away with not paying, yet PM you all night long talking about nothin'). It's one thing if it's a quick PM to ask if she's willing to do such and such in a private show. But a lot of these members will act like they've got something sooo important to tell/ask you via PM you, and then when you go to look it's some dumb shit like "Just wanna tell u how awesome u r, bb." Some of these guys expect all this individual attention, yet don't wanna pay the lady for it. I think, over time, she'll get better about detecting who's legit and who's just full of shit. Like the guys who, the moment you reveal that you enjoy singing, are suddenly in your MFC Mail talking about "I got an uncle who knows JayZ. Gimmie ur number, and he could hook u up." LMAO.
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man, i call them right way shitheads or twats and block their asses. i dont waste my time thinking what they think of me or if ive done right or wrong. its my time here, nobody but me knows how much it wastes us to be in front of cam all day. so they can just fuck off.
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TheBrownFox
I see what you're saying, but at the same time she doesn't want to encourage this sort of behavior (guys thinking they can get away with not paying, yet PM you all night long talking about nothin'). It's one thing if it's a quick PM to ask if she's willing to do such and such in a private show. But a lot of these members will act like they've got something sooo important to tell/ask you via PM you, and then when you go to look it's some dumb shit like "Just wanna tell u how awesome u r, bb." Some of these guys expect all this individual attention, yet don't wanna pay the lady for it. I think, over time, she'll get better
Yes especially when the op says she has issues with low self esteem. In that instance I say block and move on. You won't make money if you second guess yourself
while taking the advice of some needy fucktoid in free chat.
Even if she doesn't come back I think this next one can work for all of us. Know what you're working with. What are your best features? This job is built on vanity. Its good to be humble, yea sure. Something she said in the first post is nagging me. I guess this is where confidence is lacking? We can alter a persons perception based on the way we project ourselves.
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avalon_rose
Would it have hurt to listen to what the guy who PMed you had to say? If he wasn't asking for anything from you, anything free, etc., let him waste his own time and run his mouth. I mean, maybe what he said would have been total bullshit - or MAYBE he had something to say that would have been helpful! None of us are in your room, we can't necessarily pinpoint any one thing that you might be doing ... but if he was not just being a timewasting asshole and genuinely trying to help ... what would that have hurt?
My first night on MFC I had a few guys who were nice and hanging around, and I had one of them PM me and we chatted a bit and he offered me some suggestions. I took what I wanted to from what he said, and discarded the rest. He didn't ask for free tits, or something from me. He offered me advice. I could take it or leave it.
But I agree with the other girls - if you're feeling shitty, they'll know. Don't let the assholes get to you. Smile, keep going, and let it all be water rolling off a duck's back. One thing to think of ... are you newer on CB? Or have you been there a while? If you're new, are you charging what the established girls are charging for their things? If so, this might be an issue because you're not as established as they are? If guys don't know your track record, they might feel that 'investing' their 50 tk might not give them the return they want - it's a risky investment. Whereas they might easily drop 50-100tk on a more established girl because they know she has the proven, positive track record and the acceptable return on their investment is likely high.
So read the threads, maybe lurk in some other girls' rooms if you haven't already ... and take a few moments to breathe, forgive yourself, heal, and practice genuine self-care.
Good luck, lovely. :)
i'm not new, I've been there for over a year now.
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i'm not new, I've been there for over a year now.
Okies, I'm sorry. I wasn't sure. I hope you're feeling and doing better. :)
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Sorry for the late reply. Thank you for everyone who replied to the thread, I'm feeling much better now. I think I'm gonna try another site because free chat is definitely not my thing. I only know Steamate as a private site, does anyone know other good alternatives? thank you
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Freeloaders and cheap guys complain too much
There's something about the name of this thread when I glanced at it today posted up that made me bust out laughing, and I thanked all the stars above I can come to a forum like SW where people speak my love language, like nobody else in my world out side of the sex industry. They just wouldn't get 'HOW FREELOADERS AND CHEAP GUYS COMPLAIN TOO MUCH'!
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Goddamn new fucking low for cheapskates is to offer buy something off your Amazon Wishlist with a Paypal payment direct to you. WTF do they really think I am that FUCKING stupid? I can't even process how stupid this guy must think I am. If thoughts could kill I would get medieval on his ass.
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Yes I can tell you how to be less hostile with them. Completely ignore them as in zero response.
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The most attractive women in history were not always the prettiest, the hottest, or the youngest.
Cleopatra, for example, wasn't a beauty. But she stole the hearts of both Julius Caesar and Mark Antony, men so powerful that they could have had *any* woman they wanted, and yet they both betrayed Rome for her.
Hollywood painted Cleopatra as a very beautiful woman but she was not. She was average looking with a hooked nose:
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How did she do it? She was a great seducer. She was charming, was great at conversation, spoke about 15 languages fluently, and had a flamboyant style. This would set her apart from every other woman.
What I am trying to get at is you don't need to be beautiful in order to be attractive. But you must be confident in yourself. If you are insecure trolls will get to you. If you are insecure you will never assume the sale. You will be upset at freeloaders and will find it harder to succeed.
So if you don't feel hot, work on your seduction.