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Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Hello everyone,
We're building and putting online free websites for indie cam models & adult performers who wish to sell with IndieBill (85% revshare, chargeback protection & automatic content delivery - http://go.getindiebill.com).
We pay for the hosting, get the coding done and deploy it online (you may also do it on your own if you prefer since we hand you over the code).
The only thing you need is a domain, and well spending a bit of time with the team so we can gather your requirements, feedback and tailor the site to your needs. Of course, it is and will always be your website. Meaning we hand you over the HTML, CSS & JavaScript and you can change it as you like, use other payment service providers etc.
If you already have a website and just would like to add credit card processing / a store section, no problem we help all the same.
Below are more information about getting a website done with us as well as visuals. If you would like more information about IndieBill there's a summary at the end of the post, or simply reach out!
About the site:
- it's responsive (works on mobiles and tablets)
- it sells contents which are delivered automatically to customers (up to 15 GB per file)
- it can process any transaction for digital contents & services (Skype shows, tips, tributes, etc.)
- it's your site, you can display other payment methods etc. as you see fit
- we can adapt it and tailor it to your needs
- it's free, except if you'd rather host it yourself then you have to pay for your hosting (the coding is always free)
Getting your site up and running takes from 3 to 7 days assuming you're available at least 4 hours for getting your part of the job done, mainly: giving feedback and requirements, uploading your contents and creating your payment pages on IndieBill. It takes about 4 hours work for you but you can split it up in many small sessions if you'd like.
Main sections we offer:
- Homepage
- Store section, so you may direct your customers to it instead of C4S / MV and earn 85% per sale instead of 60%
- Custom Works section, for selling custom videos & other works
- Tips & Gifts section, for displaying your wishlist and ways to send tips
- Toys & Outfits, for displaying what you have to customers and save a lot of time down the road!
Sections can removed, added, modified etc. so that your website is tailored to your needs.
Some visuals:
These visuals are for information purposes only, since we can change/adapt design and general layout according to your requirements :)
Homepage:
https://s19.postimg.org/z0eyw79g3/homepage.png
Store Section:
https://s19.postimg.org/8tds08r6b/storesection.png
Custom Work Section:
https://s19.postimg.org/97f3zub9v/customwork.png
Tips and Gifts Section:
https://s19.postimg.org/uv8no111v/giftsandtips.png
If you've any questions, don't hesitate asking.
If you'd like a website, you can let me know here directly, via Twitter @getIndieBill, or directly through the live chat on http://go.getindiebill.com. Same if you'd like to add payment processing to your existing site, or wonder what we could do for you !
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Some additional information about IndieBill:
It's a payment processing tool we have designed specifically for independent cam models & adult performers, it allows you to accept credit card payments for about the same price as with traditional payment service providers (15%).
Unlike traditional service providers though, there's no setup cost - you don't need to pay $1000 annual fee to Visa / MasterCard -, you don't need to be incorporated and processing your first payment takes from a few minutes to 24 hours depending on whether or not we're available to verify your identity.
Also, we handle chargebacks so you're always paid for your sales and deliver sold contents automatically to your customers (up to 15 GB per file).
We payout twice a month, via wire transfer (in the currency of your choice) or Paxum. Paxum is always free for everyone. Wire transfers are currently free for EU models, and costs $30 currently for other countries. In a few weeks, we should also be able to make free wire transfers in most of the countries of the world - including US and Canada.
We do not currently provide traffic, only payment processing & help on the tech side of your indie business.
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We're looking forward to work with you! :)
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Wire transfer free for UK? Sign me up! I actually have my site with a similar company but they don't offer the store or customs option. Hmm interesting. Before I comitt though can you please point to any sites you've already done for working camgirls?
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Whenever something sounds too good to be true, I get very cautious. No actually, I just close the page as fast as I can, but since you don't allow urination as content, I am not in danger this time.
Seriously, this is pretty much what I wanted to do for a long time. I guess I can cancel that idea now. If you make it work (from the 0.95$ fee and the processing that's left with you) and prove that you are a serious company and not just phishing for private data of people, including account information etc., I will be stoked to join in the future. I need a new webdesign anyway.
I am still puzzled about how you intend to survive, but as I said, I am on the back seat, watching this develop. It's too good to be true, it's exactly what I envisioned. Astonishing, yet alarming in every way.
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Hello,
First, thanks to you both for your interest.
Please find below the answers to your questions and concerns.
@sexysusie:
Concerning free wires:
Yes we're based in France and hence have access to the SEPA networks. Since it's free for us to wire in that case, indeed we're wiring you your money for free as well. Additionally we can wire you the money in pounds directly, instead of dollars, at no extra cost using TransferWise. TransferWise do take a small service fee, but it's considerably lower than what your bank would take (about 90% lower conversion costs normally).
So for example if you had $200 earnings to be paid today and you want us to send them via TransferWise, you'd get exactly 139,60 pounds arriving on your bank account with today's exchange rate.
Concerning sites already done:
We've posted here at the same moment that we started proposing the service in general, so there is no site already deployed. However we have a few sites in progress currently so by next week there will be live examples online.
Please know that if we were to start building your website now, the risk is mostly on us: not much of your time is required in order to get the site done, and as the site is progressing I'll be sending you the files with the code so you can experience it locally in your browser and give us feedback. Hence if you were to quit during the process of making your site you would have what we developed so far and you would not have spent any money nor much time.
If you'd rather wait, I'd totally understand and will get back to you once the first site is online.
@Sinna:
I'm sorry you'll have to close the page quite fast this time since we do allow urination in contents :)
What's not allowed is urinating on someone else, or having someone drink pee as it is rather illegal by french laws.
I'm glad you find the product great, and you're not the first one in the community to express doubts about our survival chances. We transparently share data about how our business model if you'd like. Basically, we're profitable on every and each transaction (including with chargebacks chances of occurring) but by a very little amount. To start being profitable as a company and living of it, we'd need between 200 & 500 models selling with us (highly dependent on how much a model sell per month on average) - currently we have funds for about 12 months to reach that point.
As I said we transparently share our numbers with models who are interested, so if you'd like the math drill down please feel free to contact me via PM (I could lay it there as well, but it's not really the topic of the thread and I'm not sure it interests everybody).
By the way, please don't cancel the idea, push it forward with us once you're convinced we're a serious company :)
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
My main concern with something brand new is the safety of my personal information but this sounds really promising.
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Hello SuperPookie,
What could we do to reinsure you about the safety of your information?
Are you talking about the social risk - us being shady - or the tech risk - us being pirated - (or both)?
For the social risk, I'm available to answer all questions about us and IndieBill. But I guess it's mainly a question of time and us proving ourselves to the community.
For the tech risk, generally new products tend to be safer than old ones - because they're built up-to-date. Here is what we have at IndieBill to protect the IDs of models from tech risks:
- when you upload the files, the connection from you to our server is encrypted with a SSL 2048 bit key. You can verify this by clicking the green rectangle in the URL bar.
- furthermore, we also encrypt the data when you're uploading it - so that both the connection and the content are secured -
- when the data arrives to our servers (at Amazon, the leader in the cloud for 15 years) it's stored encrypted. Amazon has the security standard "PCI DSS level 1", so someone would need to break in their datacenter, steal them the data, and break in another data center to get the key necessary to read it.
- in order for us to display your ID in our browser, we need to login and then use a 2-auth factor. it's a code given by our smartphones which changes every 60 seconds and allows us to stay connected for 15 min.
I hope this gives you confidence, at least tech-wise. Let me know if you've got questions about it
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
I'm a bit worried about the terms when it comes to my content - it says you will own all the rights to it. That is something I stay FAR away from on the websites I choose to use. I don't have a lot of content but i certainly don't want anyone else having the rights to do as they wish with it. I also want to be able to have complete control over any face/ identifying pictures I upload anywhere. Can you confirm you won't re-sell our content (or upload it to be shown free anywhere) or use our images on other websites for your own benefit?
I'd definitely like to try this out but I think to begin with I would just use it for a couple of short cam shows to ensure everything goes to plan and I am happy with it. After that I'll decide whether to upload my content etc.
Have you been to any of the XBiz events, or are you involved with any other EU webmasters/adult biz?
Get back to me n the above and then I'll contact you to discuss if I want to go ahead.
Thanks
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IndieBill
Hello,
@Sinna:
I'm sorry you'll have to close the page quite fast this time since we do allow urination in contents :)
What's not allowed is urinating on someone else, or having someone drink pee as it is rather illegal by french laws.
I'm glad you find the product great, and you're not the first one in the community to express doubts about our survival chances. We transparently share data about how our business model if you'd like. Basically, we're profitable on every and each transaction (including with chargebacks chances of occurring) but by a very little amount. To start being profitable as a company and living of it, we'd need between 200 & 500 models selling with us (highly dependent on how much a model sell per month on average) - currently we have funds for about 12 months to reach that point.
As I said we transparently share our numbers with models who are interested, so if you'd like the math drill down please feel free to contact me via PM (I could lay it there as well, but it's not really the topic of the thread and I'm not sure it interests everybody).
By the way, please don't cancel the idea, push it forward with us once you're convinced we're a serious company :)
I would be happy to see any company clearly put this in their terms: all urination / pee play is allowed, except peeing on people or drinking pee.
Anyway, I have read through everything again and decided to keep to my gut feeling. It has saved me numerous times in the past. In this business, one mistake, one bad decision can cost you everything and I have too much on the line right now. I know it's hard and unfair to new businesses with great ideas, but when you have a lot to lose, you don't jump into things as easily. When I joined c4s, I did almost weeks of research and finally decided to join, because I had nothing to lose and the company had a good reputation already. So I am not one to easily join anything to begin with.
Now these two factors don't apply and I can't do it. It would probably take you months to build the reputation I would require and you'd have to get some big names to confirm it.
I also still don't like sections like these:
"you grant Brisk Partners a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, sublicensable, and transferable license to host, store, use, display, reproduce, modify, adapt, edit, publish, create derivative works from, publicly perform, broadcast, distribute, syndicate, promote, exhibit, and publicly display that content in any form and in any and all media or distribution methods"
Which means you can sublicense my content to anyone and they could cut out my face from a video screenshot and put it on a billboard, amongst a lot of other things I wouldn't want.
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Hello,
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About the terms:
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I'm a bit worried about the terms when it comes to my content - it says you will own all the rights to it. That is something I stay FAR away from on the websites I choose to use. I don't have a lot of content but i certainly don't want anyone else having the rights to do as they wish with it.
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you grant Brisk Partners a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, sublicensable, and transferable license to host, store, use, display, reproduce, modify, adapt, edit, publish, create derivative works from, publicly perform, broadcast, distribute, syndicate, promote, exhibit, and publicly display that content in any form and in any and all media or distribution methods
When you upload a content to IndieBill, you keep all ownership rights on your content indeed. You grant us the above license, which is the same license that you grant SnapChat when using their services, for the limited purpose of operating IndieBill. Not any other business which you are not being aware of.
It's also important to note that the license is limited in time: as soon as you terminate your account or notify us that you wish to terminate the business relationship, our license ends and we can no longer use your contents in any way. If we were to ever use the license you grant us in an improper way - and we won't -, you can end the license immediately and everything will be taken down within 1 month (more likely a few days, it takes a bit of time to remove everything).
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I also want to be able to have complete control over any face/ identifying pictures I upload anywhere. Can you confirm you won't re-sell our content (or upload it to be shown free anywhere) or use our images on other websites for your own benefit?
Yes I totally confirm this.
The license may look a bit broad, but without it we could face many legal issues on very simple things yet important things, such as:
- having your contents stored on Amazon servers when you upload them
- delivering your sold contents to customer after purchase through a partner service (CloudFront)
- displaying your avatar to customers
- having someone share the link of one of your payment page
- resizing & cropping your thumbnail pictures to display them correctly on any device
- having someone blog about IndieBill and say for example that the model "PatriciaXXX" is working with us
That's why we've opted for the same license as SnapChat and many other web companies, to avoid any legal problem down the road. We're not going to use this license in any way that you are unaware of because that's not who we are, and we'd go out of business as soon as a model would find out and spread the word.
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Which means you can sublicense my content to anyone and they could cut out my face from a video screenshot and put it on a billboard, amongst a lot of other things I wouldn't want.
We're never going to do this. People doing this rarely seek a license in the first place imho, it's shady business.
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I would be happy to see any company clearly put this in their terms: all urination / pee play is allowed, except peeing on people or drinking pee.
I'm going to get the terms modified and write this out more clearly. We allow these contents and hence no problem for writing this out explicitly.
Thanks for letting me know, I'll notify you when it's been changed. It'll take a few days as we first hand need to notify the current models about the change.
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I'd definitely like to try this out but I think to begin with I would just use it for a couple of short cam shows to ensure everything goes to plan and I am happy with it. After that I'll decide whether to upload my content etc.
You're totally right to handle it this way. Actually this is also what I advise who are getting started with us, to try us out on a small scale before processing more of their payments. So far we've got very positive feedbacks.
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Have you been to any of the XBiz events, or are you involved with any other EU webmasters/adult biz?
Prior to founding IndieBill we were working in the adult industry but not in positions where we would attend shows and other fair trades. Companies usually only send some of their managers and the sales; rarely developers, data-analysts or project managers unfortunately.
We most likely will go to Xbiz Berlin in September, and plan on going to the Adult Webcam Conference in Vegas in January.
Which events are you attending?
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Anyway, I have read through everything again and decided to keep to my gut feeling. It has saved me numerous times in the past. In this business, one mistake, one bad decision can cost you everything and I have too much on the line right now. I know it's hard and unfair to new businesses with great ideas, but when you have a lot to lose, you don't jump into things as easily.
No worries. We don't expect everyone to jump on IndieBill directly and I totally understand being risk-averse when the current situation is good. Please if you like the idea, even if you support the project "from a distance", keep giving us feedbacks about what matters to you. It's taken into consideration and helps us adapt to deliver the most value.
For now we're working with a few models, and about 1 - 2 people join everyday. We're in beta and we're focused on delivering them the best experience possible while making changes to IndieBill every few days to fit their needs.
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I have more questions. Do you use a custom CMS for the sites you create for us or is that based on wordpress (since my site is based on wordpress and I know my way around it by now)?
Also a suggestion. When I go to http://go.getindiebill.com it's clear to me what I can do (why is this not https btw?)
When I go to https://www.getindiebill.com/ I first clicked on "Wanna sell with indiebill? Learn more" then it parallax scrolled me down, but there was no "Join" button or other call to action. I found the link https://www.getindiebill.com/beta/signup but since it has this beta url, I didn't know if it was something different than http://go.getindiebill.com (maybe the final version vs. the beta)
After your recent post, I know it's both the beta sign up, as everything is still in beta (right?). I think it would be more clear to unify these urls and add a clear call to action :)
When you revise the terms, there are also a lot of typos in there. You might want to catch them with that one change right away. Your site is so clear and well designed, it's a shame when several typos give a feeling of lower quality all of a sudden.
I must also admit, they way you go about this here is very high level. I immediately feel like the support will also be good, just because of how you react here. I know it doesn't have to be like that, but other companies often fail here on sw and it reflects negatively on them. With you, I have a positive feeling at the moment.
I have one more question: On the payment pages I can create - can I also create bundle / pack pages? Like 10 wetting clips for 1 price? So I would sell access to a beautiful download page with pictures and descriptions, masonry or blog style or something nice, for a fixed amount - and I could create as many of these pages as I wanted with as much or as few clips for a one time access price as I would like to. The thing is, c4s does not allow linking to other clip stores, but they do allow membership pages. So when I could add 50 wetting clips to one page and sell it as level 1 wetting clips / one time member fee, that would maybe work with c4s.
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Hello Sinna,
Please find below the answers to your questions.
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Originally Posted by
Sinna (2pee4you)
Do you use a custom CMS for the sites you create for us or is that based on wordpress (since my site is based on wordpress and I know my way around it by now)?
We write the code ourselves so we can adapt to your situation. If you're using wordpress, we'll be delivering code that you can put in there along with the operations to do if needed (where to go, what to do in what order etc.).
Later on we will build tools allowing models to get the job done on their own, but for as long as we can manage the workload we're here to deliver tailor-made solutions :)
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Originally Posted by
Sinna (2pee4you)
This is our landing page for informing models about and promoting IndieBill. You can get all the info and sign up if interested, in that case you're redirected to the application itself.
It's not https because you're not sending any data to our servers through this page, so securing the connection is unnecessary (and https costs money on a per domain basis).
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Originally Posted by
Sinna (2pee4you)
The getindiebill.com page is not really good I totally agree, it's a page accessed by both models and customers hence it's not too clear for anyone : / We need to separate this more elegantly for the sake of simplicity.
There's a signup link in the paragraph that you read, https://www.getindiebill.com/beta/signup is the proper url to sign-up. The landing page redirects to this url if you click on a sign-up call-to-action.
We consider ourselves in beta because we're just getting started and don't quite have all the features which we envision into IndieBill - and haven't reached our standard in terms of simplicity of use. Yet, IndieBill is stable and process transactions very well. It works for its main purpose, it's not beta as in "it's gonna crash twice a day".
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Originally Posted by
Sinna (2pee4you)
When you revise the terms, there are also a lot of typos in there. You might want to catch them with that one change right away. Your site is so clear and well designed, it's a shame when several typos give a feeling of lower quality all of a sudden.
Thanks! I am going to do this. We're French and we're notoriously famous for the way we pronounce english. I'm afraid we don't write it so well either!
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Originally Posted by
Sinna (2pee4you)
I must also admit, they way you go about this here is very high level. I immediately feel like the support will also be good, just because of how you react here. I know it doesn't have to be like that, but other companies often fail here on sw and it reflects negatively on them. With you, I have a positive feeling at the moment.
Thank you! I'm very glad to read this :) It's very important for us to share openly about any question. We're building IndieBill to help you manage & get the most of the indie side of your business, hence as we see it you have the right of knowing what's going on exactly.
For the support we've got a live chat software installed, you can access it anytime via the small bubble which is at the bottom right of every page. This goes directly to our phones and we answer live whenever we can, always within 24 hours.
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Originally Posted by
Sinna (2pee4you)
I have one more question: On the payment pages I can create - can I also create bundle / pack pages? Like 10 wetting clips for 1 price? So I would sell access to a beautiful download page with pictures and descriptions, masonry or blog style or something nice, for a fixed amount - and I could create as many of these pages as I wanted with as much or as few clips for a one time access price as I would like to. The thing is, c4s does not allow linking to other clip stores, but they do allow membership pages. So when I could add 50 wetting clips to one page and sell it as level 1 wetting clips / one time member fee, that would maybe work with c4s.
A payment page currently sell and deliver 1 file (or a service). This file can be any format, including ZIP. So if you'd like to sell 10 clips at once, upload a zip file containing the bundle and create one (or more) payment page for this file. We don't currently offer the possibility to create bundles on-the-fly by choosing from files already uploaded to IndieBill.
I've not exactly understood how you see your page works, I'm contacting you via PM to see whether or not we can make it work :)
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Are you able to share here what other projects or companies in the adult industry you and your team have worked on? You can PM me if you can't share that information here in the public area.
Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions!
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Hello Tsani,
Sure, no problem.
We're two people working at IndieBill currently, both co-founders. I take care mostly of the business and administrative side of things, I also develop the sites for the models working with us. My partner is an architect and lead developer, he handles the development of IndieBill as well as running it technically speaking. Whenever there's something quite complex coding wise, he is the one to take of it.
Personally, I'm 25 and have around 3 years work experience - 2,5 of which were in the adult industry. I have mostly worked for the company which is behind the Xcams brand - a competitor of LiveJasmin. I worked 6 months as a market researcher / business intelligence analyst (I love numbers!) and 12 months as a project manager on their existing sites. Before that I was in the sextoy business - selling in home meetings and working for sites selling online.
I met my partner working in the cam company and we both left because we did not like the Pay-Per-Minute business model so much: it did not strike us as being the future of the cam market. Models are only getting about 30% of customers' spendings, and with tech becoming increasingly available to individuals we believe more and more models will invest in themselves and focus on growing the indie side of their business instead of working for sites taking such an important cut.
My partner is a bit older, 30, and less experienced in the adult industry: he's only worked 8 months for the cam company. But he's a very talented developer with 10+ years of experience and has a good track record in mainstream e-commerce. During the last years he was mainly working as an architect and managing other developers for a big mobile ad-network (MobPartners) and a company selling cosmetics via subscription (each month you receive a box, MyLittleParis).
Whenever needed we hire freelancers to get specific tasks done which are either "easy" or outside of our competences, but mostly we get everything done the two of us. We're young, but we're relentless :)
Please let me know if this answers your question, and do not hesitate if you'd like to know more.
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Hey I'm going to go for it. How long does it normally take to get a site set up?
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Awesome SexySusie! It takes about a week from inception to completion assuming you are available a few hours to get your part of the job done (giving requirements, feedback and creating your payment pages on IndieBill). I'm contacting you via PM to get the work started :)
I also wanted to update everyone about a change in our Terms of Services: allowed urination content has been written down in a more explicit way & a lot of typos have been corrected. In particular we've added the following text: Please note that we do accept content with urination as long as no one is drinking it or urinating on someone else.
I've learned that C4S & MV were allowing urination content even though someone is getting urinated on, so I've moved clarifying this up in my to-do list. I should get it done by the end of the month and hopefully we can also allow it then.
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Another update: tonight we've deployed the first store for a model. So you can now see a live example of store running via IndieBill.
Here is the URL to see it in action: http://www.supercamsstudio.com/#!store/yyp96
A few information about this store:
- the site itself has not been done by IndieBill, it's been made by the model using Wix.
- IndieBill has done the store, deployed it online and gave the model an URL which was simply inserted in an iFrame
--> Basically this means that our site (the store) is displayed inside the model's site
--> It's a very easy manipulation for the model: copy paste some code with an URL and it works
- The model's site is not responsive, therefore the store is not responsive either
--> If the model's site was responsive, then the store would be displayed perfectly well to mobile users as well
- Of course, we can make a different store for you and/or other ways of displaying it to your customers. It's been made like this to best fit the model's needs :)
Let me know if you have questions, and what's your take on the store if you'd like!
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
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Originally Posted by
IndieBill
I've learned that C4S & MV were allowing urination content even though someone is getting urinated on, so I've moved clarifying this up in my to-do list. I should get it done by the end of the month and hopefully we can also allow it then.
I'm not sure that they actually allow that type of content, did you just see some content on those sites or did you speak with someone from those sites? I know a lot of people break the rules and put up content until it gets taken down or they get suspended from the site. I don't know of any credit card company that allows urination on someone. Just like how there's lots of crushing videos up on clips4sale where small animals or insects are getting crushed even though that's against their TOS. Again, because the credit card companies don't allow that at all.
Also, thanks for answering my question! I love how transparent you are on here. There are lots of people who come here trying to sell us on their sites or services and they get too defensive and think we're picking on them. You seem to understand that we're just trying to find out more before we invest our time and sensitive information with you.
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Originally Posted by
IndieBill
I've learned that C4S & MV were allowing urination content even though someone is getting urinated on, so I've moved clarifying this up in my to-do list. I should get it done by the end of the month and hopefully we can also allow it then.
Like Tsani said, you might see this content on there every once in a while and it could make people think that it's allowed, but it's not. It's the same everywhere, pee is allowed but not on people and no consumption. Except yezzclips. They allow everything.
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Originally Posted by
Tsani
I'm not sure that they actually allow that type of content, did you just see some content on those sites or did you speak with someone from those sites? I know a lot of people break the rules and put up content until it gets taken down or they get suspended from the site. I don't know of any credit card company that allows urination on someone. Just like how there's lots of crushing videos up on clips4sale where small animals or insects are getting crushed even though that's against their TOS. Again, because the credit card companies don't allow that at all.
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Originally Posted by Sinna
Like Tsani said, you might see this content on there every once in a while and it could make people think that it's allowed, but it's not. It's the same everywhere, pee is allowed but not on people and no consumption. Except yezzclips. They allow everything.
Ok thanks a lot for the info. I moderated a content yesterday and the model told me that it was among its best sellers on both MV an C4S. The content was pretty explicit (thumbnail, description, tags...) so I thought there's no way they have not seen it, they must allow it. Now, with your input, I guess they are being somewhat lax because it sells.
Yezzclips is billing using Visa / Mastercard, I'm surprised they can allow everything. I'll dig further into content we can allow or not, it's an issue worth clarifying and we'd like to allow as many niches as possible.
If we cannot truly accept it as YezzClips does, then we'll accept these contents later when we offer more payment methods for customers - so that, for example, they may use BitCoins to purchase legal content which is not allowed by Visa and MasterCard policy. We won't have a "somewhat lax" approach though and let forbidden content slip through for purchase via credit card if they do not allow it. We prefer to go by the book on everything we do.
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Tsani
Also, thanks for answering my question! I love how transparent you are on here. There are lots of people who come here trying to sell us on their sites or services and they get too defensive and think we're picking on them. You seem to understand that we're just trying to find out more before we invest our time and sensitive information with you.
Sure, we answer every questions publicly if we have the answer. If we don't, but we should, then we'll check it up and get back to you within a few hours or a few days. We plan on opening a blog as well eventually, where we'll proactively share news about how IndieBill is working on the inside, what's coming up next and as many interesting resources for indies as we can :)
We're all taking risks due to the nature of our business, but indeed the biggest risks are for the models working in the industry. Hence it's totally fair that you want to know as much as possible before moving forward with a new partner.
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Re: Your website for free with IndieBill - Earn 85% per sale
Actually, I just sign up and they are very helpful as well. They really catered to helping you put together everything step by step :)
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Thank you Dona:)
I've put online the example site so that it's easier for you to have a look and see if you're interested: http://wip.getindiebill.com/patricia...e_profile.html
When working together on a site or page, I give you such a URL for you to track progress and give feedback. Whenever you send us new content / texts, we update the site and notify you.
I haven't a finished site to show you yet, but 5-6 are in progress and I expect some of them to be online in a few days.
I'd love to have your feedback on it :)
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Got an email from them today. Has anyone new signed up since this thread? I'm nervous now knowing they're UK based. Anything good come from this site??
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They are in France not UK. I've signed up, and like Dona found them very upfront and legit so far.
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In your TOS, it states "You will not create more than one account for yourself".
For PSOs, we often have many characters... Is there a way to do linked accounts (with permission)? This might work for audio content of mine, but there would need to be an easy way that I can choose which character is shown for anything. I am a back end dev, so understand this might have to wait until you start offering APIs/feeds/etc (something where I can choose which info to show on my own pages hosted on my own sites), but either way, keep this in mind. Of course the best would be one master account (so payment would only have to be made to the PSO once for all characters, etc.) linked to character accounts etc.
Thanks for your time.
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sexkitten_666
Got an email from them today. Has anyone new signed up since this thread? I'm nervous now knowing they're UK based. Anything good come from this site??
I'm in the process of setting up my site and they've been very helpful and professional so far.I'm in the US btw.