Appropriate $ Amount When a Dancer Sits with you
I'd like to know what you dancers think is an appropriate amount of money to give a dancer that sits with a customer, be it at the stage while I'm tipping or just at a table maybe on my lap? Also, is it better to pay a smaller amount every so often, or maybe a larger amount when you two are finally parting ways?
My usual flow is to sit at the stage for an hour or two, then do some lap dances with some dancers that have piqued my interest, and then from there do some VIP with maybe a favorite, or two or three.
But I understand a dancer's time is valuable, just like mine when I'm working, and she should be paid appropriately. Also, I don't want to make this too complex, but I find myself in two very different scenarios from time to time that I'd like to ask about:
Scenario 1: Random dancer I've never met, or don't know very well, decides to sit with me and I accept. I understand she is probably trying to build some goodwill and see if we get some dances in a while... how should I approach this if she stays for 20 minutes, or an hour, or whatever, but I opt out of dances?
Scenario 2: I have a... favorite, at my usual club. I don't see her exclusively; I do VIP with others, but I've seen her about 6 times now and intend on spending most of time/money on her. She joined me on my lap for probably a full hour last time, but of course she knows I will be doing some VIP with her; pretty much a 100% guarantee, and in fact the last time I went I spent more on her than I ever have on one girl in one night (well over $1,000, and any more time we would have darn near been breaching 2!). Is this a different scenario where I shouldn't have to pay seeing that even if I take an hour or two (or more) away from her hustling, she knows it will be worth it? Full disclosure, I probably won't always spend that much, but I'd say $400 is a guaranteed absolute minimum when I see her, $800 very probable.
***Thanks for any responses. I thought about posing this question at "that other" forum that is more ran by customers, but wasn't interested in hearing responses like "bitch is lucky you even give her the time of day", and garbage like that. So be fair and unbiased in your answers please.
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My responses may be on the low end of what some SW girls will say, but that's because I work in $10 dance land and my mentality is more 'it beats the hell out of a $20/hour vanilla job' than some ladies.
You sound like a lovely customer, so thank you on behalf of the dancers :)
Scenario 1: When she offers you a dance, tell her no but you're enjoying her company if she'd like to stay and of course you will compensate her. Then you can offer her your chosen 'rate' and ask if she thinks that's fair.
I generally find $20 every few songs to be fair, as long as you are decent company and not rude/asking obnoxious questions. If she were to sit with you for an hour, that'd be $200/hour for her.
Scenario 2: That is up to her, but I would certainly be fine with that. I'm assuming your VIPs are ~1 hour? In that case, that's still $2-400 an hour for her. If she starts to feel not adequately compensated, you may notice her trying to get you to VIP sooner. I think it also becomes obvious to both parties via unspoken cues and vibes when one wants more/less time than the other is giving for the price.
I have a regular that is similar though; I know he is going to give me between $2-$400 every day he comes in and I tend to be ok with sitting with him for 2-3 hours... but that's also partly situational; he comes in on slow afternoons, when I would be likely to sell maybe a few dances an hour to the not-so-pleasant customers that straggle in. I GREATLY prefer sitting with the funny, intelligent guy that's buying me drinks. Often I don't even sign in, so I save the $35 in house/tip out as well, which would take me an hour to make back with how slow it is sometimes.
Granted, I would NOT sit so long on a Friday night, so be mindful of what time you are coming in.
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$100.......
BILLION Dollars
Bahahaha ---- couldn't resist.
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Selina, thanks for the response, I'll run with those ideas in mind.
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Just hand the dancer your credit card and let her calculate the tip.
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Depends on how long she sits with you, honestly. Just throw her some money based on her time. If she sits 20 minutes with you, give her 15, 20 bucks.
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$20 every other song or 300-400 per hour.
If you know you are going to go to VIP with her anyways, don't take too long sitting around if you are not willing to compensate her for that time BEFORE VIP.
When my customers come in, I sit with them on the main floor/bar about 15 minutes and then I ask if they are ready for private time. The sooner I get them in and out, the sooner I can move onto other customers.
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Ariel, I see where you are coming from. It's about the hustle and maximizing income. That's ok, but there must be some value in a "sure thing". I just posted another thread about how I'd like things to go with my favorite dancer, but the general idea is, I wonder if a dancer who typically yields $300 a night, or at least has that as a goal, might do well to take a guaranteed $1,000, plus a few of those hours are just sitting and chatting with a regular, without the effort of dancing, grinding and blocking torpedo fingers headed straight for her asshole or wherever. Sure, with her time monopolized she *might* miss that super rare occurrence where Big Daddy Warbucks comes in and wants to drop $3,000 on her, but I seem to hear about that occurrence way less often than hearing about a slow night when a dancer barely covers the cover. And granted, if we are talking about a dancer who routinely makes $1,000 a night, and not $300, these numbers might need adjusted.
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RIght, I answered your other thread. I think she would be happy with the guaranteed $1000 if she usually only makes $300. I probably would not be LMAO.
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Finally, a proper customer question on here instead of stupid date/love stories and more dumb nonsense.....
You get it. Awesome! :)
Scenerio #1, within a song or two... "I like the company, but I don't want you to waste your time on me...I'm not ready to buy any dances."
Scenerio #2... an hour is already a long wait to do vip, more than that is pushing it. She knows herself worth. Eventually, a nice tip in the end should be agreed upon for the time spent together.
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Scenario #1: If a dancer is sitting with you for 20 minutes without asking for a dance or seeing if you're interested, that is her fault & you owe her nothing if you do not want a dance from her... at some point, maybe five minutes of conversing with her you should let her know you aren't interested in any dances just to be a gentlemen so she can move on & not waste hers or your time .
Scenario #2: If she sits with you for an hour prior to your VIP with her, maybe just give her a bigger tip than usual =)
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Whatever amount is good for you to still have fun. Don't let them get you by the balls completely smh