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I know a good anger management group in Los Angeles. If you want I will send the name and address to you in a private message
I have said it in many posts but I will say it again. There is no such place as a NO EXTRAS CLUB. It might be limited to the guy jerking off but something is always available at the VIP. It is always a question of price. Every human being has their price. I would fuck a chimpanzee for $10 million. That's my price for chimpanzees-lol. I worked in Atlanta at a club that was considered the highest level. Like Newt Gingrich came in. The governor etc. no extras allowed etc. etc. blah blah. The prices were outrageous. The 19-year-old guy who came into the club with $50 and left saying you there is no sex at that place just did not have enough money. We are all human beings. I know what I do for a living I don't look down on anybody. The holier than thou people use that attitude as a way to justify their own questioning of themselves. Everybody's got to have some sort of defense mechanism.
In the words of the Beatles no less –
"whatever gets you through the night, it's all right, it's already."
And
"everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey."
(I thank my grandfather for those lines)
you may be clean as a whistle but don't think that your club is also clean as a whistle
Why would u start a thread like that in the first place? Why does it matter what other people think, do whatever you want lol
Because it makes it hard to argue with a civilian and it reinforces their idea that strippers arent exotic dancers, they are prostitutes.
Well it brings the value of the club down and it affects the money of the clean strippers. If you wanna prostitute go out on the corner! Hell hooking in the club you make a lot less money. Most girls start doing extras because their hustle game as a stripper isn't right. If you sharpen up on your mouth game you wouldn't even have to do extras. Ladies don't get discouraged because extra girls are ruining the clubs. There are plenty of clubs where you can still make good money despite the extra women. Like I said you wanna prostitute it's better to do it outside the club. You make more money anyways. Besides that's why it's called a strip club not hooker club.
i said i made money which means my hustle is okay, right? nonetheless it's not really relevant. i just didn't like online stuff and didn't think it was for me. personal opinion. when i was escorting/sugaring i dealt with literal tramatic experiences. i made money but feel now, i need to get away from it until i'm ready again. talking about my past experiences in sex work in detail isn't really relevant to the topic at hand either.
thank you for the interesting insight!!! this is kind of where i was going with my original post. what if you're working in a club where that's simply the norm and how things work? what if someone offers a price that works for me? ( of course doing the deed outside of the club being discreet blahblah etc.)
Exactly
But I know a few girls who do extras and I still make better money than them...it's like they don't realize money isn't all about giving handjobs but about giving a sense of intimacy by so they'll keep coming back as a regular...and a regular who spends a lot on you!!
Another, slightly different, perspective is one that I have experienced firsthand-- safety. Club regulars get used to the extras and start to expect it from all girls. Then they see a new girl and assume she will also do those extras, so they take her to a room and either get super upset when girl is clean, or just flat-out try to force the extras upon her. It's a fucking awful situation to have to deal with a pissed off regular (or even just a random who "heard" about the way things are in that club) who's twice your size, in a room with shitty security, as he tries to barrel through your boundaries like a bull in a china shop because he's gotten away with it from other girls in the past.
I wish prostitution and brothels were legal and regulated here. It would solve so, so many issues. Let the sex workers do their thang in a clean, safe environment away from the stripclub, and let the strippers be strippers!
In no way was I putting you down because you live in Miami. And I might add in no way can you not make it in Miami if you use your brain. Of course stay in Miami school is the most important thing. Good luck to you. I will be interested in following how you are doing
I have posted a similar reply in the escort area and that is----most guys want a psychologist to talk to that's pretty an attractive. If you will listen to a guy and talk to him with a caring attitude perhaps even giving him your perspective on his ex-wife or his current wife etc. you've got him hooked. You are giving them extras but those extras have nothing to do with sex they have to do with your ability to care whether real or not
Girl, please! If your hustle was great then you would have not complained about being your past experiences, right? I was responding to your statements about my advice. By the way, you brought up your experiences.... not me! I was just suggesting things that you could do,,,,since you were asking about doing extras in the strip club, right? As far as relevance of this thread, you asked a question about why people do not like extra girls. Then you get offended that I suggest that you do something else in the adult industry. Now, you see why a lot of people were getting testy with you at first. :)
I would just like to post a reminder that it doesn't matter how long you've been here: 2 days or 2 decades, rude posting, name calling, and/or disruptive arguing is not allowed. Senior members do not reserve a right to be overly rude - and newer members should have JUST read the rules when signing up, so there is no excuse for combative behavior. Nobody has to respond to what they consider mean-spirited comments, or even to a thread. Report the post if you find it overly offensive, put the person on ignore, click away, or cool down and have a civil conversation about it - which I'm happy to see is what eventually happened.
So, all that being said, it looks like everyone sorted themselves out, and I thank the posters who took a step back and were able to hash out their differences. I'll leave the thread open for now since it has gotten back on track.
whats up with everyone saying im offended!? lol i'm not. just responding and clearing up an assumption made about me. no need to be condescending. yes i brought it up (in order to explain to you why those certain professions wouldn't work for me right now) i'm sure there are women who are perfect at hustling who still have to stop sex work. being a good hustler doesn't stop potentially abusive clients,
personal problems, stalkers etc. there's way more than that. anyway i just didnt really want to carry on about it. i understand you're point and appreciate the advice/concern!
oh i didn't think you were! :) if tampa is the only worse place that can maybe explain some of my past experiences omg (i moved here from that area) . some girls have the ability to go where money is better & others don't so it's not like a unreasonable suggestion especially since i didn't say on this particular thread (i think??) i was a student. if i could get up and go to a poppin area i would lol.
another reason why working at a extras heavy club will be a nono for me. that's also so scary :(
i agree. what's the reason for having prostitution illegal again..? it's not stopping human/children trafficking. it's not fair for honest women and consensual people wanting to do a simple trade. to me: it's the exact same thing as literally ANY service. whats the difference between a burly man who gets paid to move bricks around with his body (no shade to construction workers!!!) and a women using her body (& charisma!!) to make some dough. such a sexist society we live in :/
Totally agree w everything you said, except that extras girls I don't think have anything to do w customers raping non consenting dancers. They are rational human beings capable of knowing and understanding what "no" means very well, and thats not on any other female. Just cause Jessica down the street blows you does not mean that I will..women do not come w the same boundaries and they know that damn well. I think blaming other females takes away the blame and responsibility off the shoulders of the perpetrator..grown ass men who are fully capable of comprehending NO.
OP can correct me if i'm wrong but i dont think she meant it in that way. of course men are always 1000000% to blame and ever trying to alleviate them from their wrongdoings with any type of excuse is never okay. even in this case! but men can be dangerous, awful & disgusting so when they are so used to something and expect it, it's very much possible for them to go belligerent. they feel entitled to it bc "every other girl does it and if you say no it's unfair to them." i don't see that as blaming other girls but as creating a toxic environment where a man can lack care for boundaries and respect. who's to blame is 1.) the assailant 2.) the management for not creating a safe stable environment. i doubt extras girls are just evil nasty lil brainless girls here to destroy the industry and turn men into rapists (not saying ur saying this or OP is saying this) they may feel this is the only way to make money, are extremely desperate, and management shouldn't allow thm to be taken advantage of.
^im not saying I think offering illegal shit in the club that creates an uneven playing field and messes w the market is a good or ok thing to do , not at all. I just think the only one responsible for rape is the rapist.
Number 1 it's illegal and 2 I don't Judge ppl do whatever makes up happy get your money but don't bring it in the club cuz your fucking up our money guys will think every girl does extras, if you wanna be extra go outside the club and so it. The club is a fantasy you just tell them what they wanna hear to make the money.
I just don't get why some do the "extra" work, when you can make as much/bank as the same as the other chics. The key to this business is to get as much money as you can without all that "extra" work. Juice their wallets until they can't anymore.
maybe theyre not secure in themselves and see that as the only way. or some girls are just rly desperate and in a tight spot and don't have the energy/time to learn how to hustle. or maybe as i brought up in my
original post, theyre at a club where that's expected & when in rome.
those r my ideas as to why some girls choose to do it
I've briefly worked as a booking agent, not sure if that will be a help or hindrance in trying to answer in a civil manner. For girls who haven't come across extras girls, worked in full service, done the math, etc-worrying that more and more customers will expect illegal services, worrying that they'll be at more risk for being hauled in during a sting, and worrying that more and more classier clients will move on to different clubs. For those WITH experience, KNOWING all that instead of worrying, plus reliving their own, possibly bad, experience they're trying to move on from. If their past includes an arrest, their consequences will be much harsher than those who haven't. BTW, the agency I booked for? A month or two after I quit, they were raided. The owner spent eighteen months in jail and only got out cuz he made a deal. To........wait for it.........turn in everyone involved! If I was still there --and not looking at sex related busts online, I could have done six to twenty, in solitary, cuz it's a sex crime and there's no way to prove willingness on part of the escorts, which isn't top priority, legally, followed by a minimum ten years on the fucking sex offender registry. Do you really think being put in those shoes is something women with way too much to lose will take kindly to? Oh, and that newbie, who's just thinking about it? I'm willing to bet everything I own that someone experienced who's been dragged down this road in the past will clue her in, so she's equally as angry. Lastly, you mentioned doing this rarely, when the price is right? Customers dumb enough to have sex with a stranger in a strip club will almost always brag online, tell their slimy friends, etc.. people will know who you are, or, at the very least, know what club to try this at. They're really candid as snitching on the girl, friend, club they knew through. For the record, I have nothing against escorts, whether they're independent or agency. If anything, I'd just urge agency girls to acquire their own security and still keep the bulk of their money. Bringing it into a club where it doesn't belong is like a waitress at a restaurant that doesn't serve alcohol sneaking in a huge bottle and spiking peoples' drinks at their request. It doesn't stay secretive long and they should have just been working in a bar the whole time. Hope this didn't come off rude, it's just that you're putting your coworkers in a terrible spot, financially and legally, if you go through with this. For those suggesting a legal brothel, some things to keep in mind:
1-In her scenario, she's one of a very small population offering it in a situation where getting caught is possible. In a legal brothel, there's no risk of being caught and no shortage of attractive and willing competition.
2-She mentioned emotional trauma and emphasized doing it on her terms. Sure, she could turn down a guy she's not feeling up to, but she'd lose out financially, possibly have to pay a fine, and watch him quickly whisked off by a more than sympathetic co-worker, ready to take her place.
3-In her scenario, she'd keep most to all of her money. A brothel usually takes half. For everyone reading this, whether it's something you'd consider, something that literally nauseated you, or anywhere in between -would you really want to hand over half your rate? Or have your "boss" hand you your half, since you're often not the one even handling the money?
4-Most legal background brothels do a background check. Even if she has nothing on her record, can you understand her not wanting glorified pimps having her legal info-which can be used for blackmail-and poking around in her past?
4-Same goes for STD screenings.
Best of luck with the trauma, OP. All I can say is the adult business for someone with trauma related to it is like the victim of a very bad car accident constantly driving around for a living. Have the strongest support system possible and therapy is never a waste. Many work on a sliding scale, some are even free. Go out of county for privacy, maybe even out of state. Best of luck.