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Why do some strippers refuse customers simply by their race?
I have seen this a lot at the clubs and it really bothers me. Strippers will come up to me and say they will never ask that guy over there for a dance *points to him* simply because of what race he is. They may have had a few bad experiences with black men, or Indian men, or Asian men, or latino men ... because of those few bad experiences they make this really unfair stereotype of all men of that race and judge every man of that race to be a bad customer which I find to be honest a very rotten way to treat people. There excuse was they have had dances before with men of that race before and they were all bad experiences so therefore by their very illogical reasoning -> all men who are of that race must be that way.
You know I am Caucasian and I have acted inappropriate sometimes at clubs and I have observed many Caucasian men act inappropriately too. Yet I don't see these same strippers saying because they had a few bad experiences with Caucasian men -> they all must be this way and that is why they refuse dances from any customer who is Caucasian.
I felt bad for an very smart young man who came here from India. He was an Electrical Engineering student at the University of Chicago, really sharp guy. The guy did nothing wrong, but a dancer who was more than willing to give me dances and sit with me wasn't willing to give any of her time to this young man simply because of his race. She pointed him out to me as we talked and told me she would never do a vip and dances with that guy, he had kept asking her for dances and she avoided him. She said the reason was she had a few bad experiences with Indian men and therefore they all were this way and she avoided them at the clubs. I felt bad for the guy because he was doing nothing wrong in the club. He spent good money on other dancers and he certainly had way more money than I did, he drove to the club in an expensive BMW. His father was an engineer and he came from a family of engineers.
I always remember that incident and I made it a point everytime I went back to club to refuse getting any dances or VIPS from that dancer anytime she asked me for dances or VIPs, she always asks me but I say no. I thought about telling her why, but I don't want start a fight. Not the kind of person I want as my friend or to spend anytime with.
Why do dancers do this? It really bothers me when I see this behavior and truthfully when a dancer engages in this behavior I tend to lose all respect for them as a person.
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Aren't you just a saint for caring about that guy.
What club are you at where all this nonsense allegedly happens? You make it sound like all the dancers just talk to and give you alllllll the inside info and drama ::)
Middle eastern guys tend to get ignored because they generally smell bad, are handsy, and often cheap.
I tend to ignore black guys simply because they 9/10 times they don't want a thin white girl. Waste of my energy.
Not racism, just knowing my market.
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To be fair, Indian guys are normally not that great here at the club too. However sometimes you can tell if they're gonna be ok in the way that they dress etc. A lot of the times they are cheap (like they always want $20 dances and here no one does those, it's normally minimum $50) and want to touch. I think its maybe just the culture.
I dont approach Asian guys tbh because they don't like black girls. The only time I do is if they have a non-Asian friend with them.
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You might not like this answer, but there are sometimes connections between certain customers. For example, lots of girls complain about Indian guys being cheap and grabby. Some girls say the same about Mexican guys. You make a valid point that white men can be disrespectful, but you'd never hear a dancer storm away from a white guy and say, "I'm never dancing for a white man again!". It's not fair, but this sort of profiling happens. I'm weary of Indian guys because I've only had one good experience that I can recall, and the rest have been horrible or unmemorable. My theory is that this has to do with cultural differences and the way women/sex workers are regarded in their countries.
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I don't do foreigners, bc back in their home country they only have brothels. They think the strip club is either the same or "stupid American culture shit"(I've heard this from a European) that makes no sense to them. Oh well. In all fairness, the only Indians I've been lucky with are the ones who come from London. I've been lucky with two business Mexicans before....generous and gentleman.....but that is so rare. Usually, I would not approach neither.
White men can be a fucking nightmare too. Especially the privileged one who thinks he can do whatever he wants, bc of his status.
I just go with who the staff is ass kissing to and his mannerism.
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I used to sell cars a long time ago. And after a couple of months, we all "knew" who to approach and who not to.
I suspect this happens to break down along racial lines in the strip club.
As they say in The Godfather, "Just business. Nothing personal."
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^ THAT.
There are nights you could watch me work and see me hardly approach anyone but then get a VIP from the first guy I do approach. You get to know who is likely to spend on you and who isn't. Yes there will be outliers that we miss but the other 90% of the time, I would guess most seasoned dancers are correct in assumptions.
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I think that we're all guilty of it at one point or another. If it's a slow night I'll approach EVERYONE regardless of their race. On busy nights we can be more selective.
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This video by this stripper who calls herself MoonshineBonanza pretty much sums it up (). I don't agree with what she says in a lot of video's, but I understand her point of view even though I think she is really jumping to conclusions and not making a very intelligent or rational argument to justify her racial profiling habits. She claims "all strippers do this", but clearly not all strippers racial profile because a few of my regular girls who I really like don't do this at all. One regular dancer who I had for years had a regular customer who was a middle age black man who spent really good money on her and she regularly got dances from both black and white men in the club.
One of my best friends in high school was Chinese and he pointed this profiling out to me the first time I went to Polekatz and when we would go to dance clubs and try to pickup women. I didn't believe him that a lot of women ignored him simply because he was Chinese, but I believed him when I saw the evidence for myself. He introduced me to strip clubs. He took me to clubs back then and paid for everything. He came from a family of engineers, lived in a great big house with three BMW's parked in his father's driveway. I hanged around him because I thought some of his brains would transfer over to me if I hanged around him long enough. I totally envied the guy. He was a walking Encyclopedia Britannica, had a phenomenal memory. He got a perfect score on his ACT and he was a member of the Mensa high IQ society. He later got his bachelors in Electrical Engineering and later got his MBA from Stanford.
To be humble I tend to do profiling of my own; I tend to gravitate to those with a very good educational background and tend to care less about their race. I have noticed by coincidence that the dancers I tend to get along with well in the clubs have college degrees. One of my favorite dancers was a black dancer who did dancing to pay for school to become a dentist. She had her Bachelor's in Biology and at that time was attending UIC's College of Dentistry. Maybe I have biases of my own ... I have a Bachelor's in Computer Science, a Master's Degree and a dozen different computer certifications so maybe I tend to prefer those who come from a college background. I guess I shouldn't judge those dancer who judge customers on their race since a fault of my own is I tend to judge people based on their educational background and how much college they have had.
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I actually do approach everyone regardless of race. But I do tend to approach middle aged/senior Caucasian men first.
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Thanks for letting us know you're white and how much you enjoy said privilege of almost never having sexworkers deny you cause of your race.
Yes the world is still racist and can you guess which race gets preferential treatment?
not everyone automatically flocks to the white men in the club.
I knew a handful of dancers that would mainly go for men of color - I'm guessing cause that's who they date outside the club and feel more compatible with.
It's a complete fallacy to assume white men are the ones with money/spending. Cause cheapness/brokeassness/tomfoolery comes in all races.
And the issue is not just money. I had a white dancer suggest I not approach black male customers cause "those are the ones that will hit you" like really bish?!? Again any sane person knows violent men can be of any race.
Yes sometimes in the club people allow their prejudices to take over. This prevents them from making more money but also keeps them from having to challenge their (faulty) believes for the sake of earnings.
I like making money places where I don't know the persons (who is giving me money) race - keeps the world more 2016 less 1930's
Race is something you literally cannot control or change about yourself and anyone who prejudges people based on race in this day and age are living in ignorance and fear.
Idk. I guess women have the right to decide who they let into their personal space whether it's rational or not choosing sexworker clients and customers requires more filtering than the average career.
to each her own though
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The only race im loathe to dance for is Indian men , and that's because of their culture not skin color. I had a great young Indian custie who was 2nd or 3rd generation and was respectful. But in my half a decade or so in the industry he's been about the only one. Most cultures on this planet have fucked up views of women and consent but w Indian men it's hardcore and it's about protecting myself from as much assault as I can in a night, it's not personal or that I believe ppl of a different skin tone are beneath my attentions. Fuck.and this does not stem from just "a few" bad experiences. I'm also leery of guys in suits and frat boys
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I dance in a predominately white area (world), and as soon as a person of color comes in I run to them like they are my long lost school friend. But a lot of times, they want the blonde barbie girls. And it's funny cuz...the blonde barbie girls generally don't want them back. So, we (the clients & i), the only poc in the club, will sit there and avoid eye contact while no one will talk to us. HILARIOUS.
I also work in massage parlors. I get so tired of hearing the girls say they wont answer the door to a poc. I have to make up some lie about
why the blonde girl wont see him. They will literally not take any clients in a whole day, make zero dollars, just so they dont have to "smell"
some brown guy. But a drunk white guy is alright?? Nah, I don't buy that bullshit. That's not how the cookie crumbles or how the car
dealership works, that's discrimination and loosing out on money. I'll start writing down how many white guys smell, try to rip me off,
call me a n*gger, degrade me, try to negotiate prices, are "HANDSY", are BROKE AS A JOKE in one night at the strip club and I'll run out of paper.
I guess my point here is that, these Indian dudes are shelling out money for white girls so hold back your racism dear.
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When it comes to feelings of safety and comfort, the "why" of it is really irrelevant. We are talking about intimate services here, during which a girl is exposed and vulnerable. Political correctness has no place in influencing who a dancer, escort, etc., decides to allow close to her. If certain girls only feel comfortable with certain types of guys, then it is what it is and should be accepted at face value. Their jobs are hard enough without the added worries and discomforts of feeling pressured to provide services to those who they do not wish to allow too close to them, for whatever reasons.
For that matter, this type of discussion also has little relevance for those of us who purchase these services. Much like feelings of safety or comfort, attraction is not an exercise in logic and shouldn't be treated as such. I am attracted to certain things and not so much to others, period. I don't even know why I am pulled towards some things and turned off by others, but it is what it is.
Honestly, this type of discussion really holds little purpose because no amount of logical debate is likely to influence anyone's feelings on these matters. All a conversation like this ever accomplishes is to cause drama, with some folks venting their frustrations and others feeling defensive about how they protect themselves.
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Most cultures on this planet have fucked up views of women and consent but w Indian men it's hardcore and it's about protecting myself from as much assault as I can in a night, it's not personal or that I believe ppl of a different skin tone are beneath my attentions.
For me, it is less about avoiding certain skin colors and much more about their overall appearance and what I can deduce about their culture/lifestyle/beliefs. I usually avoid super muscley white dudes because I usually have bad experiences with them. I avoid too-drunk people of all races. I avoid Indian men who don't look super americanized because every single Indian man with an accent has assaulted me, but I also have a few 3rd gen young indian regulars. I avoid black men (and white & hispanic men) who dress like gansters or pimps becuase they dont buy dances and just waste my time, but I have a blue collar black regular who comes to see me every weekend. I avoid mexicans who don't speak english well because they can't understand the rules (or pretend to not understand the rules) but american hispanics are great customers for me.
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When it comes to feelings of safety and comfort, the "why" of it is really irrelevant. We are talking about intimate services here, during which a girl is exposed and vulnerable. Political correctness has no place in influencing who a dancer, escort, etc., decides to allow close to her.
I completely agree with you. Outside of the club I am an anti-racism advocate and have spent my time doing activism around issues of racism and Black Lives Matter but unfortunately the issue inside the club gets complicated when you have people from very different cultures, different ideas of consent, and VERY different expectations of what is acceptable in a strip club.... ultimately dancers have to protect themselves from sexual assault at all costs. If that means avoiding certain men, then so be it.
Until the day the bouncers actually start watching over my ass and protecting me from sexual assault instead of caring about keeping customers wallets inside the club, i'm gonna discriminate against certain customers based on their culture, though not necessarily their skin color.
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You were obviously digging this guy enough to find out where he was from, what his job was, and where he goes to school, so why didn't you go give him a dance?
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@buttonpop, exactly, it's about culture and attitudes vs skin color. I'll avoid certain white guys too. It's got nothing to do with attraction or thinking anybody stinks or anything like that lol, I'm not attracted to any of the customers truth be told, and most of them stink.
We offer very intimate , personal services and compromise our safety with people a lot bigger and stronger than us, with little legal recourse should something go wrong. so my safety comes first. This ain't an equal opportunity thing where anybody is invited, it's up to my discretion and if I even get a weird feeling ill turn you down.
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I have to agree with everybody that said anything about knowing your market and ignoring foreigners because they're either cheap or think they're in a brothel.
As a dancer, stripper, performer, entertainer--whatever you call yourself--you MUST know who YOU are targeting. The object of this club game is to sell a fantasy. In order to sell that fantasy, you have to know what "role" you're playing and who will buy into that. Are you the sweet and innocent girl next door, the tomboy, the dom, the bombshell vixen, the seductress, the twerk goddess, or a MILF? Of course there are other "characters," but if a potential target doesn't seem like he would buy what you're selling, why waste your time approaching him? I mean, you can't really judge a book by its cover, but if you look through a few pages and decide it's not for you, would you finish the book?
I've had an experience with a middle eastern guy (or maybe he was Indian) who wanted to guess my age. He thought I was 14. Then he guessed 17. I should've walked away after that, but I guess the fact that I looked so young to him is what made him want a dance. (It was kind of perverted if you ask me.) So I start dancing and he would not keep his hands to himself. I usually don't mind if a customer puts their hands on my hips if I'm sitting on them, but this guy was trying to finger me, and when I got up to leave in the middle of the song (because really, I was on the verge of stabbing his eye out with my stiletto), I had to turn to face him to get my top off of the seat, and he leaned forward and sucked my breast. Needless to say that was the first and LAST time I will ever give a dance to a foreigner. I don't care about race. I'll dance for anyone who is American. But if a guy even LOOKS like he comes from a country that's known to have brothels, I won't go anywhere near him. It's just not worth the risk of being violated again. And before anyone comes on this board to say that some American men violate dancers too, I know this. I haven't experienced it, but I know it can/does happen. However, from what I've experienced so far, American men tend to ask questions so they know what they can and can't do with you. They don't just assume.
But anyway, I'm just mad that the idiot I was referring to left before the bouncer came to throw him out. I really wanted to see him get yanked up and jerked around for that.
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Well somethings just won't change at the clubs that I really don't like, but that's life. I think I will just start doing these guys a favor at the club and start telling them ," You know that dancer told me she won't do dances with you just because she assumes guys of your skin color are all bad guys and assumes just because she has a few bad incidents with men of your race that 'your kind' must all be really evil and must all be really awful, nasty, smelly, and really disrespectful guys who come to the clubs with an agenda to sexually assault dancers. You have to understand just because of your skin color your already labelled a sexual predator, sorry".
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Well somethings just won't change at the clubs that I really don't like, but that's life. I think I will just start doing these guys a favor at the club and start telling them ," You know that dancer told me she won't do dances with you just because she assumes guys of your skin color are all bad guys and assumes just because she has a few bad incidents with men of your race that 'your kind' must all be really evil and must all be really awful, nasty, smelly, and really disrespectful guys who come to the clubs with an agenda to sexually assault dancers. You have to understand just because of your skin color your already labelled a sexual predator, sorry".
Now you're just trolling. You asked a question. We answered it. Stop crying.
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November_Scorpio
Well somethings just won't change at the clubs that I really don't like, but that's life. I think I will just start doing these guys a favor at the club and start telling them ," You know that dancer told me she won't do dances with you just because she assumes guys of your skin color are all bad guys and assumes just because she has a few bad incidents with men of your race that 'your kind' must all be really evil and must all be really awful, nasty, smelly, and really disrespectful guys who come to the clubs with an agenda to sexually assault dancers. You have to understand just because of your skin color your already labelled a sexual predator, sorry".
LMAO. Why are you in the strip club talking to other dudes anyway????? You're supposed to go there to have fun, talk to pretty ladies, and get lapdances. Why are you getting so sensitive worrying about all the other dudes in the club? Worry about yourself, your own girl, and your own dick. Lighten up with all this drama.
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You must be a troll or just really bored in real life. Really? You're going to incite drama by doing that? You'll get booted out of the club so fast your head will spin.
Can a mod please look into ban hammering this guy, he's not contributing anything to the forum except ridiculous threads like this.
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November_Scorpio
Well somethings just won't change at the clubs that I really don't like, but that's life. I think I will just start doing these guys a favor at the club and start telling them ," You know that dancer told me she won't do dances with you just because she assumes guys of your skin color are all bad guys and assumes just because she has a few bad incidents with men of your race that 'your kind' must all be really evil and must all be really awful, nasty, smelly, and really disrespectful guys who come to the clubs with an agenda to sexually assault dancers. You have to understand just because of your skin color your already labelled a sexual predator, sorry".
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
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I knew something was off about you, November_Scorpio. Frankly, I will say this about you. People in glass houses can not throw stones. You are worried about dancers refusing to dance for certain customers because of their race. However, you are the same person who actively seeks out women of color and other women that you find of lesser quality to get cheap dances from. Then you make the most outrageous threads ever and play the victim when something does not go your way. I can tell that you often start drama in clubs with dancers and customers to get your kicks. I also know that you are same guy who actively seek out women of color and other women to underpay because you do not want to pay their prices. Personally, I think that you are drama seeking dick who does nothing to be plays the victim and says outrageous things on here for kicks. Please ladies if you see this guy at your club and he talks this way....stay clear on this person.
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I am sorry I am so misunderstood. I just was stating my opinions. I disagree with some of the opinions on here and I respect them as I hope you will respect my opinions and views. If my opinions offended you I really am sorry never was my intention. I think you got me all wrong but your entitled to your opinion. I judge a person's actions not the person themselves. I do talk in the clubs about why dancers refuse guys of a certain races and many dancers do too and they don't get offended by my opinions, but I am from the Chicago area so I guess the culture is different in Chicago then other areas in the states. Just asked an opinion and got some opinions and I appreciate the feedback and I really do appreciate everyone's opinion and I do see things too from dancers point of view even though I don't agree with it. Maybe I came off a little strong, I am sorry didn't mean to.
Maybe I did come off a little too strong on last comment it is just my view, the way I see things. Maybe my view is wrong and your view is right ok. I am not in your shoes I don't experience what you experience everyday, if I was in your shoes maybe I would feel the same way you do and your entitled to feel the way you do. I am not trying to change anyone's opinion, just trying to understand things better in the club which I think dancers on here have helped me understand things better in the clubs and despite the disagreements I actually think the dancers on here have helped me see things from a different viewpoint and I really do appreciate that. Please don't be mad, I am sorry if I offended. We learn from disagreements and I definitely have learned a lot from dancers on here, even those who have criticized me have really helped me see things from a different viewpoint that I just wasn't seeing before.