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Re: Why do some strippers refuse customers simply by their race?
I have gone back and forth on whether I was going to reply to this thread but fuck it. I personally have never avoided approaching customers because of what race or national origin I assumed the were. I will say, I have had a few negative encounters with Indian men in the past- specifically with them forcefully pinching my nipples (who the fuck does that?); but will still approach Indian men and give them a chance. This is because #1- I know none of the other girls will, #2- they tend to like me and #3- Unless I know the particular customer, I will get them to pay upfront for dances and will end it early if they misbehave (as I would do with any customer I did not know and had questionable gut feelings about).
I do not group Indian Men as "middle-eastern" guys because 1. They are Asian, not middle eastern. 2. I have met really wealthy customers before who actually are Middle Eastern and never felt like they were disrespecting me. I don't give a shit how women are treated in their country; I just don't allow it.
I do not group all people from the Southern Part of North America or Central Americans as Mexicans (which is where a lot of the "Mexican" guys other girls are referring to are probably actually from). This is because I have lived in both Southern California and Miami and know that Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala are not the same place and culturally, people from each of these places act different. That being said- I do not avoid these customers unless they are excessively drunk. I will say I agree with the stereotype that a lot of latin men have bad tempers when they drink and it makes me nervous.
Still on the topic of Hispanic/ latino men- in my area there are a lot of guys that come here as laborers and are lonely for female attention. They are usually good for a few dances at least. If they get out of line; I will end the dance but I also speak Spanish fluently. If you do not; it is not hard to learn simple phrases like "Don't touch me"; "Do not do this", etc. If there are a lot of Hispanic customers who come into your club and do not speak English-do your self the favor and take 15 minutes a week to work on a few phrases. You are leaving money on the table.
There are also latin-american men who behave much differently than 1st generation immigrants. Never turn these guys down as they are usually my first choice to date IRL so it is easy for me to converse.
I generally do not approach guys that have a hoodlum look. I mean guys who wear Tims in Miami and have gold teeth. If they approach me or call me over I will dance for them. I have no problem with guys like this and actually grew up in the hood- it's that in general if they are attracted to white girls, I am not the "type" of girl they would go for. A guy like this, in my area can be any race.
A customer who comes in work clothes, a suit, business casual, athletic wear or whatever else would be pretty much classified by this before their race to me and generally I do just as well with these guys whether they are white, black, Hispanic, a mixture of any of these or Asian ( I have never once had an issue with an Asian customer).
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Did not want to clump both things together. On a separate but related topic- November Scorpio, I agree that you get some kind of sick pleasure from starting and participating in drama in the club. I have agreed with a few things you have posted in the past and would not go as far as to call you a troll- but you do exhibit some troll tendencies. (Do I sound like that Ludacris song?)
Behaving in this way is immature, and truthfully a bot insane. I understand you are there for entertainment but, really??? You are going to have to pay to be entertained in the club and causing drama to get it free is not going to work. You remind me of a few of my friends' husbands who gossip with their wives about friends and neighbors. It is so effeminate and childish and makes me wonder how my friends' can fuck these nancy-boys.
If you genuinely care about this strange man, you could buy him a beer, feel him out, then vouch for him to one of the girls you are all buddy/buddy and hair-braidy with. I understand, especially taking into consideration that he is Indian why he is getting the cold shoulder. I am not saying it is right; but if skinny white girls squeezed the fuck out of your lentils (to the point you thought they were going to pop) enough times, you would stop trying to get skinny white girls to dance for you.
Strip clubs are not the real world. There is no PC once you hit that parking lot. Can you imagine if a Forever 21 store told a girl coming in with a job application that they had enough "Black Girls" working there, or had a limit of three black girls per shift and to go try Charlotte Russe down the street? No!!! Just as I would never accept a drink from a man wearing a wedding band at a regular bar... please stop trying to make it so real. That is not the point.
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Gia2608
I do not group Indian Men as "middle-eastern" guys because 1. They are Asian, not middle eastern. 2. I have met really wealthy customers before who actually are Middle Eastern and never felt like they were disrespecting me. I don't give a shit how women are treated in their country; I just don't allow it.
I'm pretty sure that "middle eastern" reference was directed at me. All I ask is that you quote me next time you want to undermine any of my statements.
But anyway, I said that he was middle eastern OR Indian. (Keyword: "OR.") In my opinion, middle eastern men and Indian men have similar features and accents, and although I can't say whether the guy was one nationality or the other, I never said that middle easterners and Indians are the same.
Reading is fundamental, babygirl.
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Wasn't talking about you or anyone in particular. I actually didn't see your whole post until now, and in fact feel like you did make a distinction between middle-eastern and Indian. I have seen a lack of distinction 1,234,698 times on this forum. I was talking about my opinion. Didn't mean to make you feel like I was undermining you either- believe me if I am referring to something in particular I will point it out. Last reply from me should be proof positive of this!
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Gia2608
Wasn't talking about you or anyone in particular. I actually didn't see your whole post until now, and in fact feel like you did make a distinction between middle-eastern and Indian. I have seen a lack of distinction 1,234,698 times on this forum. I was talking about my opinion. Didn't mean to make you feel like I was undermining you either- believe me if I am referring to something in particular I will point it out. Last reply from me should be proof positive of this!
Okay. I just know that I'm the only one who mentioned anything about a middle easterner on this thread. I'm not trying to start a fight with you or anything, but one of my pet peeves is people twisting my words. I welcome you or anyone else to quote me directly if you/they have a comment on anything I've said. I don't do the name calling or cussing people out, so you don't have to worry about me disrespecting you or coming at you in that capacity.
I'm pretty blunt with my words, but don't let that deter you from talking to me. I literally mean no harm. :)
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Can we stop using the term racism. No one cares about skin color alone, we judge people based on what we assume their culture to be like. I will openly call myself a "Culturist". If you are of any race and wear baggy clothes that sag bellow your ass, give off douchey fuck boy vibes in general I will ignore you because by the way they are projecting themselves, they are non verbally indicating that they belong to a culture that I personally do not get along well with. I've given all customers a chance at one point and that's how i have been able to almost immediately tell if I'm interested in the customer or not. 10 out of 10 Hispanic men who were not raised in America have always been grabby and asked to pay for cheap extras with me. That's their culture. I have plenty of Hispanic men who are raised with standard American culture and they have been great. I've danced with black guys who were great whom I approached because they did not display "hood culture". I've avoided white guys because because they DID display "hood culture".
9 out of every 10 Indian guys I dance for has had very bad body oder that lingers on you long after the dance ends. I've realized that this attribute is just part of Indian culture. Also 9 out of 10 times Indian men have also been annoying about trying to get cheap sexual services. I did have one Indian regular who did stink but it wasn't unbearable but he never pushed boundaries thankfully.
Think about it this way. When a mosquito lands close by most people squash it without hesitation. Why? Because they have been bitten by mosquitos in the past. What if I told you that it's only female mosquitos that bite humans though? That means there's a 50/50 chance that you've killed a mosquito that may have never even tried to bite you. Making predictions based on past experiences is a inherent subconscious survival trait that all animals use. We put ourselves at risk when we try to try to turn this trait off.
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The short time I danced, I had an Indian guy try to undercut me. He gave me a $10 trying to tell me no it's a $20, it's dark in here. I got my money and the bouncers threw him the fuck out. I'm not going to be ripped off and taken advantage of. The other dancers there told me not to waste my time with Indian men, because they are time wasters, cheap, and disrespectful. So I stopped actively approaching Indian men.
When I would be approached, I would make them pay for their dance first and tell them if they touch me, dance is over.
You may think we are a bunch of racists. But sexwork is not the realworld. You have to go by your gut and past experiences for your own protection and financial security. I know this is VERY VERY VERY hard for you to understand because you obviously don't value us. You made it clear in many of your posts.
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Because they are independent contractors, not slaves.
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I am a white women who has gone to strip clubs and will have strippers avoid me because they have had problems with women in the past.
Being a camgirl, I am never offended by this. I understand it is just good business for strippers to spend their energy and focus on those people who are more likely to spend.
That is why I will always make sure to put my money on the table or have it in my hand where it can be seen and will work extra hard at being respectful when a stripper does come up to me eventually. In doing this, I've never had a problem with a stripper sticking to me like glue until the money is gone.
Is it unfair that I have to work twice as hard to get someone to take my money in a strip bar because other women have been disrespectful and ruined it for me? Yep you bet but it doesn't change the fact that it is all business and it ain't personal. ;)
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justanothercamgirl
I am a white women who has gone to strip clubs and will have strippers avoid me because they have had problems with women in the past.
Being a camgirl, I am never offended by this. I understand it is just good business for strippers to spend their energy and focus on those people who are more likely to spend.
That is why I will always make sure to put my money on the table or have it in my hand where it can be seen and will work extra hard at being respectful when a stripper does come up to me eventually. In doing this, I've never had a problem with a stripper sticking to me like glue until the money is gone.
Is it unfair that I have to work twice as hard to get someone to take my money in a strip bar because other women have been disrespectful and ruined it for me? Yep you bet but it doesn't change the fact that it is all business and it ain't personal. ;)
I'm guilty of doing this too haha. With couples or girls alone I like to wait until they show interest in me (tipping me onstage, waving me over) etc before going over there. This is especially the case with couples because if I go over there and the guy is more attracted to me than the girl, which has happened to me before, it can cause a major headache.
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KaraLynn
I'm guilty of doing this too haha. With couples or girls alone I like to wait until they show interest in me (tipping me onstage, waving me over) etc before going over there. This is especially the case with couples because if I go over there and the guy is more attracted to me than the girl, which has happened to me before, it can cause a major headache.
I promise I would never judge you for it. :)
I've heard some real horror stories from strippers about solo women or couple so I completely understand why they would avoid me. If I was in their shoes and those sorts of things would have happened to me, I would of totally avoided me too!
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What everyone is saying is 100% accurate. I wish this troll would seriously GTFO of this forum and the strip club and get some therapy or a new hobby.
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When I worked at a club that was known for cheap extras, it was often inundated with groups of indian men. I still always approached but didn't dance for many, as the second a customer tries to touch me on the floor, or tries to haggle dance prices (they were $20, already $10 cheaper than any other club in the city), I just get up and leave.
Working at the better clubs in the city, I can count on my fingers in 5 years the number of Indian men that I have danced for. Not because I have avoided them, but simply because they don't seem to appear at clubs that have pricey prepaid rules enforced air dances. Take from that what you will.
I do try to avoid anyone who is super drunk personally, not just because of their potential to ignore rules but also I have dodged vomit more than once in my career. Guyyys if you're going to puke don't keep saying you're fine when the girl asks pleeease
I think part of the perceived racism from dancers is the lack of protection at a lot of clubs. Dancers work naked and do everything they can to minimize potential of bad shit happening. In clubs where the money is taken before the dance and a dancer knows she can walk out the second she feels lines have been crossed, with the club taking HER side, they're not likely to have as many personal safety rules. In fact some of the clubs I've worked, you'll get girls comment about feeling lazy so they'll purposely sell dances they know will be risky because if you can get a prepaid half hour, buddy breaks the rules in the first 30 seconds, you can either hustle other dances or sit on your ass for the next 29 and a half minutes.
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NakedNicole
Think about it this way. When a mosquito lands close by most people squash it without hesitation. Why? Because they have been bitten by mosquitos in the past. What if I told you that it's only female mosquitos that bite humans though? That means there's a 50/50 chance that you've killed a mosquito that may have never even tried to bite you. Making predictions based on past experiences is a inherent subconscious survival trait that all animals use. We put ourselves at risk when we try to try to turn this trait off.
You hit the nail right on the head with this. *stands to applaud*
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SuperJa
I think part of the perceived racism from dancers is the lack of protection at a lot of clubs. Dancers work naked and do everything they can to minimize potential of bad shit happening. In clubs where the money is taken before the dance and a dancer knows she can walk out the second she feels lines have been crossed, with the club taking HER side, they're not likely to have as many personal safety rules.
I think you make an excellent point because To me I could see why careers like escorting would cause a woman to filter based on race/culture especially if one or more bad experiences because they're alone with the client and they most likely have sex but I figured the average strip club would have security/surveillance so the customers are less likely to get out of line with dancers.
The odd thing for me personally is dancing in mixed club made me do the opposite (approach men of all races) of what i normally did in real life (dating only one race of men) because I saw dancers rejecting certain races. I realized how easy it was learn another language and pick up on money they leave on the table.
I do understand some women have had bad experience and they generalize certain groups and that's what they feel they have to do. But if they're just prejudice and just their preference, let the club fill up with dudes opposite of their preferences, then that becomes an easy hustle in my opinion.
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I wasn't racist before I started stripping but I will approach some races before others in the club. I won't refuse a dance if approached, I just know that statistically I've got a better chance to make money from some races over others. If you're from a country where you can get sex for $20, why would you pay $50 for a lap dance? And if you're from a bartering culture, you might not understand why the dancer gets offended when you offer her $30 instead of $50 when the dance prices are set. But at the end of the day if they're handing over money for a dance, I don't care if the hand it's in is white, black or rainbow. And white guys are guilty of being cheap, rude, grabby and nursing one beer all night too.
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I haven't ever* had a pleasant or even tolerable experience dancing for a Pakistani/muslim guy. Rather, I've been sexually assaulted, grabbed, injured and indecently propositioned in an aggressive way.
I've been dancing 15 years on and off.
About 6 years ago I decided I wouldn't ever dance for one of those guys again. Sure, there may be some decent ones but I am not risking my health and well-being to find out-It's just too important.
*there's one exception who is a regular of mine, who was verified as a great guy from another girl I trusted. It's nothing to do with colour of skin more so to do with culture and its attitude toward women. I would rather be viewed as racist by people whose opinions mean nothing to me, than put myself at risk.
And I won't dance for guys who smell, either. Of course these come from all cultures.
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ShyStripper
I wasn't racist before I started stripping but I will approach some races before others in the club. I won't refuse a dance if approached, I just know that statistically I've got a better chance to make money from some races over others. If you're from a country where you can get sex for $20, why would you pay $50 for a lap dance? And if you're from a bartering culture, you might not understand why the dancer gets offended when you offer her $30 instead of $50 when the dance prices are set. But at the end of the day if they're handing over money for a dance, I don't care if the hand it's in is white, black or rainbow. And white guys are guilty of being cheap, rude, grabby and nursing one beer all night too.
I tend to go to a lot of Chicago clubs where there is a very good mix of races among the customers and I will see a lot of Indian guys at these clubs so if a dancer refuses dances from certain races at these clubs I think she would be losing money IMO. Very different from the clubs I have visited in other states such as Florida or in downtown Chicago like Club VIP and Pink Monkey where the majority of the guys who come into the club are white. I prefer the all nude clubs and I will see a lot more Indian guys at the all nude clubs.
I will say that when I go to the clubs the guys who will buy the $500 VIP room and get many dances do tend to be white. I was just at a Chicago club spent $500 on a VIP room and with tips to staff and dancers it came out to over $1,000 the three guys before me who went into the $500 room were all Caucasian men I would say age 50+. Sometimes a really nice VIP room is nicer than a hotel room so I don't mind the added cost because I am paying for aesthetics. Most the Indian guys who go to the clubs I go to I notice usually come in groups sit around talk to each other, drink beer, tip dancers on stage and are not buying any dances or VIPs. I will occasionally see an Indian guy sometimes spending good money at a club, but it isn't very often. Usually the guy is very well dressed and well groomed. I could probably of seen a dancer OTC for $500 or less easily, but what is nice with the club is your paying for what they call in business "transfer of risk"(my minor was in Business). Customers pay extra money for a business to take the burden of risk that the customer doesn't want to take themselves. So seeing a dancer OTC or hiring a stripper via backpage is very risky business for the customer and he is taking on the burden of risk. The nice thing about the club is the customer pays extra money for "transfer of risk" so this isn't a risk the customer has to worry about, he pays extra money for the risk to transfer over to the club and the dancer. Hence why I prefer seeing a new girl in VIP who I don't know yet or trust, I pay extra for the risk to transfer to the club vs if I took a risk and arranged to see her outside the club. Behavior I see mostly white middle age men engaging in, so I do understand why dancers would prefer a white guy in his 50's.
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They lose the business because it's not worth the risk, they ARE usually that bad, until you strip down and dance for one, you have no idea how bad it is.
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SweetJulia
They lose the business because it's not worth the risk, they ARE usually that bad, until you strip down and dance for one, you have no idea how bad it is.
Yeah for real, THAT. I'm so tired of these customers (and some support staff!) who try to tell us who we should dance for, that we're missing money, that we're judging for no reason, etc etc etc. It's like some kind of bizarre white knighting. They're either allegedly trying to help us, or in this goons case other guys in the club... Really they want to feel like they're 'right' & we are just dumb strippers who don't know how to make sales, or get the warm fuzzies if we end up making money listening to them.
None of this is altruistic whatsoever. That is why this post is so irritating. He doesn't give two shits about the other customers. He wants to stir up drama and call us out for being racist, and enact his little superiority complex he seems to have (judging by all his 'I like submissive girls' and 'testing' them and trying to pay as little as possible for everything).
Seriously, November_Scorpio, what skin off your nose is it if the girls don't wanna dance for the other customers? Nobody gives two shits. Until you get dropped into a room full of complete strangers, with no tangible good to sell and just your personality & naked body, and then have to separate them from your rent money while not having your boundaries violated/being assaulted/getting your drink drugged/having other girls steal your shit/insert every other shitty thing we deal with.... THEN you can give advice.
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Selina M
Yeah for real, THAT. I'm so tired of these customers (and some support staff!) who try to tell us who we should dance for, that we're missing money, that we're judging for no reason, etc etc etc. It's like some kind of bizarre white knighting. They're either allegedly trying to help us, or in this goons case other guys in the club... Really they want to feel like they're 'right' & we are just dumb strippers who don't know how to make sales, or get the warm fuzzies if we end up making money listening to them.
None of this is altruistic whatsoever. That is why this post is so irritating. He doesn't give two shits about the other customers. He wants to stir up drama and call us out for being racist, and enact his little superiority complex he seems to have (judging by all his 'I like submissive girls' and 'testing' them and trying to pay as little as possible for everything).
Seriously, November_Scorpio, what skin off your nose is it if the girls don't wanna dance for the other customers? Nobody gives two shits. Until you get dropped into a room full of complete strangers, with no tangible good to sell and just your personality & naked body, and then have to separate them from your rent money while not having your boundaries violated/being assaulted/getting your drink drugged/having other girls steal your shit/insert every other shitty thing we deal with.... THEN you can give advice.
Wow, can't I thank this 1,000 times???^
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Dancers can speak with whomever they choose and don't owe anybody an explanation as for why. Not sure why anybody would take an issue with that unless they have some sort of control issue but I guess that's something some strip club customers have trouble with.
I won't speak with anybody that hasn't taken a shower in 3 days and doesn't wear deodorant which isn't exclusive to any particular ethnic group.
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MissLouboutin
Dancers can speak with whomever they choose and don't owe anybody an explanation as for why. Not sure why anybody would take an issue with that unless they have some sort of control issue but I guess that's something some strip club customers have trouble with.
This ^^
Dancers are independent contractors and totally responsible for their own time. If a girl wants to sit in the corner and not talk to anyone her entire shift it's nobody's business but hers.
And like, if I'm dancing with girls who say "oh I won't go talk to that guy" for reason XYZ I'm not up in their face about "OMG you're racist" or whatever. Depending on the reason it's either "thank you for the heads up" or I just go approach him myself. I'm not going give a girl crap for not feeling safe around a certain type of guy (whether race or otherwise). Most girls with customer preferences didn't walk in with those, it's a result of experiences. Being grabbed too many times will make you avoid that group. Repeatedly making vip sales to a certain customer type will mean they always approach those guys first. That's just smart sales.
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Oh, and smelling and being gropy isn't exclusive to Indians. Plenty of white guys, while wearing cologne, you can smell south of the border BO and they grope.