Making sure they have the cash
So I've been gun shy about stacking dances since being ripped off last year, but lately I get dudes who want to stack pretty high... But I never know if they have the money. Management has also made it clear that if you stack over $100 worth, they will blame you if the guy is broke... So I need to protect myself.
Nobody else in my club wants payment up front, so guys get offended when asked, like to the degree that it's not an option.
I have tried asking "Do you need to visit the atm?" And they often say no, then end up short, make me late for stage doing it after the dances, and sometimes get declined and have to do a cash advance while I'm worried THAT won't go through.
So... Is there a way to politely get them to pull the money out first (I just need to know its in their wallet)? With different wording maybe that's not a question? That doesn't jerk them into business-transaction-reality?
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Make nice with the waitress and have her try to peak into his wallet when he pays for drinks? You are never going to be able to protect yourself 100%; but I think with you asking if they need to use the ATM you could spin it from there.. you know, lean in and say "Just making sure, it can get pretty hot once we get started and we may not be able to stop"... or however you normally talk to paint a picture in his mind and also assume that he will be buying more than one dance.
Otherwise I would use the $100 as a point of where to stop real quick- make up some bullshit about how you need to take yourself out of rotation- get the money for those dances and take a quick "break" to "let the bouncer know" you're still back there and come back and pick back up where you let off. If you do this in a span of 60-90 seconds he will not come back to Earth too quickly.
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Good question. Usually guys have the funds. That's probably the best question..."Do you need an atm?" Maybe say something like "Would you mind if I collected before we start? We have enough time for dances, but I think I may be on stage soon and I don't want to hold up the show. Manangement gets cranky about that..." or something to that effect.
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Gia2608
Otherwise I would use the $100 as a point of where to stop real quick- make up some bullshit about how you need to take yourself out of rotation- get the money for those dances and take a quick "break" to "let the bouncer know" you're still back there and come back and pick back up where you let off. If you do this in a span of 60-90 seconds he will not come back to Earth too quickly.
yeah i agree. blame management somehow
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Thanks girls. I usually do get to $100 and tell them how management watches cameras/gets pissy if they don't see us collect sometime during.
It just gets irritating because we have so many regular patrons who are like "whaaaa? nobody else asks that/no they don't!" Sigh. I wish these men would just do as we ask!
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Selina M
Thanks girls. I usually do get to $100 and tell them how management watches cameras/gets pissy if they don't see us collect sometime during.
It just gets irritating because we have so many regular patrons who are like "whaaaa? nobody else asks that/no they don't!" Sigh. I wish these men would just do as we ask!
Just tell them that YOU got yelled at by management and you need to keep your job, blah blah blah.
Agreed. Why can't these men just pay up front when we ask? Is it really that much of an imposition? THEY have to pay sometime, anyway! GEEEZZZZ. ..
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I go with my gut ( esoteric answer I know) But I think most of the time you can tell. I almost got ripped off for $300 worth of dances. This idiot seriously thought it was free! He did pay though.
You just have to keep insisting and boo hoo if they don't like it. Rules change and you have so little legal protection on your side you have to do it yourself. You're taking the risk here.
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I've had some success with using the sob story "I know you're good for it, and I hate asking, but I got burned really bad last week so now I'm being extra careful. You understand, right?"
I usually do this at the $100 mark, once I've already got him to agree to continue: "Yay! Okay, I'll grab that $100 from you now if that's okay, just because I got burned really bad last week so now I'm being extra extra careful. I'll give you an extra half song to make up for the hassle, thankyou for being so understanding!" While they're ruffling through their wallet, depending on the customer I might make a game out of it-- "Oh teehee is my butt/boobs in your face distracting you teehee" then a big huge "Thankyou! Now, where was I... about here *wiggle in his lap*, right?" after he hands me the cash.
It's all in the delivery-- confidence and assuming the sale, with a little bit of sob story, then making him feel like a big fat hero for understanding, and making a fun game out of it so it kind of becomes part of the dance. If he needs an ATM trip, I use the "I'll give you a free song for all the trouble" to keep him on the hook while we visit the money machine together. That prevents the loss of sale, and I rarely end up actually giving him that extra song because they forget.
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I just say let handle business before we get to pleasure. And collect money first.
If most dancers are collecting money after dances then yeah like suggested gauge their ability to pay after first $100 worth of songs. Like I'd get them to pay $100 right there then convince them we'd have more fun in VIP room where it's 30 minute minimum paid upfront. So I'd use the break in momentum as a chance to upsell.
Also, sometimes it's easier to tell if they really have cash is to see how they treat others with money. If they are generous with support staff most likely they'll be generous with you as well.
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Ugh I struggle with this, too. Especially since I prefer being paid at the end because I make most of my tips by saying "Okay, so that was $120 plus whatever tip you think I deserve hehe!" If you collect up front it's so much harder to get that tip. :(
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^ Yes that too! Nobody throws an extra $20 in BEFORE...
Thank you Flodawg and Miss. I do that sometimes but again, they get all "I would never do that" and then waste time arguing that point. Aye aye aye. Like their ego is more concerned with acknowledgement that they're not a douche than getting on with their dance!
Sometimes I really hate the amount of regulars we have since nearly all of them are convinced they are special/that we should all know them/blah blah. I have never had trouble getting out of town guys to cough up at $100 or beforehand ::)
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^ oh god the regulars. UUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH *dramatic flounce* they are the WORST for that delicate ego bullshit.
Two possible options:
1- If they are regulars, do you know if they are actually good for it? Like, as long as you're super clear about what song youre up to, will they be good about paying up? I've had some club regulars who chuckled when I got nervous and started telling them every song "okay so that's $120" "just so we're clear we're at $140" "$160" and they a) called me adorable and said they appreciated that I'm "being so upfront and clear", and b) "don't worry, I have $200 for you so just stop whenever you want". This has been a rarity though.
2- Add a little extra flair to the sob story: "I know you're one of the good ones, but I got burned really really bad last week by a friend I thought I could trust, it was so awful! So now I'm being extra careful with EVERYBODY. You're so understanding, a REAL gentleman. Thankyou so much!" Again, delivery is critical. Emphasise that you were burned by someone you TRUSTED, how much it hurt you, and quickly rush through the monologue to get to the point where you are telling him how wonderful he is for understanding and thankyou so much for putting your mind at ease, before he has chance to even register his damaged ego.
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Being newer as well (myself) , I also stop at the $100 mark just to be on the safe side.
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This method does waste time and could lead to them changing their mind, but after the $100 mark you could say something along the lines of "whew, that was fun! you've got me all worked up. Lets take a break for one song and get paid up real quick, and then we can keep going". Then do however many more dances and ask for a tip at the end when you collect for the second part.
I do this when I'm unsure about a guy's ability to pay. I usually try to peek into their wallets when they buy a drink as well.
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my club is 100% payment upfront to the bar tender. house gets 30%. I'm surprised more dont do this
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nikkiharley
my club is 100% payment upfront to the bar tender. house gets 30%. I'm surprised more dont do this
It makes it harder to sell more dances and get tips. If a guy is on the fence about another dance, having to have me get dressed and start over pushes him towards 'no'. In contrast, if we can just keep going smoothly it's much easier to get a yes.
Same thing I said above about tips as well. It's easier to get a tip when they're paying you anyway and you can say "hehe thanks you! so that's just $100 plus whatever you wanna tip me!".