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Negotiating and initating OTC Action respectfully and effectively
I realize I am probably inviting myself to criticism however I am willing to take that chance.
With that said Ill explain my situation. I have been renting a penthouse in Downtown Pittsburgh for a few years now I'm 29 about to turn 30. With that said I am very displeased with the variety and quality of escorts in this city.
I dont know how I can see 5-10 women a day I would totally consider myself lucky to take back to my place yet the "VIP Escort" market in this city even at the $400 an hour range + can consist of such unattractive women to me but its simply the case.
I have had luck negotiating with dancers before. I own my own LLC and deal with corporate accounts and I am no stranger to entertaining clients at clubs. However I notice depending on the city and its proximity to Downtown (whatever city im in that night) affects mileage significantly. I can generally identify and avoid "the hustle" in most situations and unless I am in Detroit which many of my associates and me consider to be the most no nonsense city in America for negotiating extras I usually just throw my clients a few hundred each and let them do as they may. I dont partake.
Right now I am contemplating hitting up the clubs around my place and attempting to negotiate after hours fun back at my spot. I have had luck at a club Downtown before by being very straight forward. I usually give the girl my business card and tell her I have a place a few blocks from the club and that I only spend money on dancers for customers of mine. I tell her I genuinely only spend money for myself on escorts and tell her that if she has interest in making more money off of me compared to what she would at the club sometime she can call me. I explain any extras within club takes the fun out of it for me.
If they think im bsing i just pull up pictures of my place. I live in a luxury apartment complex that houses the Chief of Police + Pirates starting catcher and the Steelers owners grandson and an ex Chicago Bear are my next door neighbors Out of 220 units only 17 have balconies on the top floor. Considering its proximity to the clubs pictures of this easily identifiable landmark have worked before.
I try to be very respectful and Ill be honest I really dont feel bad negotiating past the hustle in such a venue. There is a level of social manipulation in any sales environment doubly so in a club and considering its a sexual atmosphere and the fact that I never get detailed or graphic unless asked to negotiate specifics I feel I am well within ethical bounds. I am however someone who finds myself in a situation where I would much rather find a girl back at my penthouse apartment 3 blocks from the club compared to being hustled in the VIP room for low mileage fun.
Im comfortable with paying for it. I dont feel bad. Its like buying bottled water for me. I need it to function. If put in a position where I can work my butt off to feel good about scoring free Nestle water or I can choose to buy Evian I will simply spend money to experience quality. If anyone has any advice on how to better negotiate otc fun back at my place without being offensive or a more effective method I would appreciate it alot. While I refuse to be guilted into feeling bad about it my intention is neither to offend the dancer or degrade her on any level.
Happy Thanksgiving
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You won't get any attractive dancer who knows her worth to escort for the going rate of legitimate escorts, let's get that straight.
When guys offer me $500 for extras I literally bust out laughing in their face. When guys don't spend an impressive amount on me first in the club to show they are serious and respect my time at the club, why would I see them after? If you hand me your business card it better be wrapped in a $100 bill or else im throwing it in the trash with the 20 other un memorable business cards guys have given me that night.
Here's my advice to successfully get a top of the line dancer outside the club. Anything less than this likely won't work for the type of female you want.
1.pick your girl and approach or walk up on stage and tip her $100 bill. Do not make it rain. Do not tip 5 $20s. Do not flex that it's a $100. She can see from a mile away that it's a $100 bill. Low key give her the $100 bill and tell her to see you when she can, that you know you want her to do a champagne room with her.
2. Do not ask for dances or any entry level shit when she comes over. Tell her you want her to take you to the best champagne room available.
3. We notice how you treat everyone. Us, the other girls, the bouncers, the room host etc. These people are our friends so be nice to them and tip them generously aswell. This will show us that you are genuinely a nice person and we will like you more.
4. Go to the room, she may start dancing for you right away. Let her dance for maybe 5 minutes. Touch her how the clubs rules allow. Don't grope, slap ass, lick, kiss, etc.
5. After a few minutes of dancing tell her to take a seat have a drink and just relax. She will love you for making this gesture. Joke around, have a fun conversation, ask her non personal questions, favorite movie, favorite restraunt in the area, best vacation she's been on etc. Exchange back massages. This time isn't about getting your needs met, this is about making a good impression and showing that you are worthy of her time. There are lots of guys willing to pay for her otc. If she wanted to be a basic escort she would be. But she isn't so to convert a top notch dancer you basically have to try way more hard in general.
6. After your room time is up, without missing a beat tell the host that you absolutely must buy an additional hour with this amazing person. Jokingly announce that you haven't yet gotten to finalize you and your future wife's plan to run away together.
7. Don't complement her much on her looks or body. She's tired of hearing how hot she is and how bad you want to bang her. Tell her how funny, sophisticated, smart she is etc.
8. Towards the end of your second room, act as if you wish you could stay longer but " you have a huge contract to close in the morning" "have to finalize paperwork on your new vacation home you just bought first thing in the morning." Etc. Women are attracted to men who seem like they have important and prestigious things going on in their lives. Don't act too available. Act as if you have a very tight schedule but you HAD to take some time for her tonight because she is so awesome.
9. As you are on your way out of the room, give her your card with atleast $100 along with it. Simply say "I'm in town til (whatever date,) call me and I'll send a driver to pick you up. We will go shopping, dinner, you spend the night then we go to the spa in the morning and since I appreciate your time, I want to cover your monthly expenses. If it turns out to be something we both mutually enjoy, this will be an ongoing thing." Make her think it's not a "one and done" type thing. After you say this, hand the card with the cash to her, hug and leave the club immediately. Do not talk to other dancers, do not drink at the bar. Have somewhere else to be and go!
I never said it would be easy. Contrary to popular belief, many strippers are NOT easy. Actually quite the contrary, especially the good ones. To land a girl who is attractive, classy, clean, not a drug addict or alcoholic etc, you really are going to have to pull out all the stops.
If you're simply trying to pay for sex I don't recommend strippers. To make strippers come out of their comfort zone you have to invest alot of time and money. At least a couple hours and $1,000 + at the club to even begin to make a lasting impression. I would increase your escort budget and fly in an escort who meets your standards for a weekend or something.
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1) Not to offend, but you kind of sound like a douche bag. The water bottle comparison plus all the details about your penthouse just rub me the wrong way. First, I guarantee you, the type of dancer you are trying to attract won't really care about your penthouse. She has likely seen, rented, or been fucked in better places. She has also encountered a lot of high-level men like the neighbors you describe. You aren't going to get her with this attitude. There is nothing worse than a wealthy guy who is also an entitled asshole.
2) I second almost everything said above by the the poster. For the best women, OTC is very rare, but it's usually a combination of a very nice guy who spends very generously up front with very little work having to be done on her part in the club.
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Originally Posted by
Papa Dandy
I realize I am probably inviting myself to criticism however I am willing to take that chance.
With that said Ill explain my situation. I have been renting a penthouse in Downtown Pittsburgh for a few years now I'm 29 about to turn 30. With that said I am very displeased with the variety and quality of escorts in this city.
I dont know how I can see 5-10 women a day I would totally consider myself lucky to take back to my place yet the "VIP Escort" market in this city even at the $400 an hour range + can consist of such unattractive women to me but its simply the case.
I have had luck negotiating with dancers before. I own my own LLC and deal with corporate accounts and I am no stranger to entertaining clients at clubs. However I notice depending on the city and its proximity to Downtown (whatever city im in that night) affects mileage significantly. I can generally identify and avoid "the hustle" in most situations and unless I am in Detroit which many of my associates and me consider to be the most no nonsense city in America for negotiating extras I usually just throw my clients a few hundred each and let them do as they may. I dont partake.
Right now I am contemplating hitting up the clubs around my place and attempting to negotiate after hours fun back at my spot. I have had luck at a club Downtown before by being very straight forward. I usually give the girl my business card and tell her I have a place a few blocks from the club and that I only spend money on dancers for customers of mine. I tell her I genuinely only spend money for myself on escorts and tell her that if she has interest in making more money off of me compared to what she would at the club sometime she can call me. I explain any extras within club takes the fun out of it for me.
If they think im bsing i just pull up pictures of my place. I live in a luxury apartment complex that houses the Chief of Police + Pirates starting catcher and the Steelers owners grandson and an ex Chicago Bear are my next door neighbors Out of 220 units only 17 have balconies on the top floor. Considering its proximity to the clubs pictures of this easily identifiable landmark have worked before.
I try to be very respectful and Ill be honest I really dont feel bad negotiating past the hustle in such a venue. There is a level of social manipulation in any sales environment doubly so in a club and considering its a sexual atmosphere and the fact that I never get detailed or graphic unless asked to negotiate specifics I feel I am well within ethical bounds. I am however someone who finds myself in a situation where I would much rather find a girl back at my penthouse apartment 3 blocks from the club compared to being hustled in the VIP room for low mileage fun.
Im comfortable with paying for it. I dont feel bad. Its like buying bottled water for me. I need it to function. If put in a position where I can work my butt off to feel good about scoring free Nestle water or I can choose to buy Evian I will simply spend money to experience quality. If anyone has any advice on how to better negotiate otc fun back at my place without being offensive or a more effective method I would appreciate it alot. While I refuse to be guilted into feeling bad about it my intention is neither to offend the dancer or degrade her on any level.
Happy Thanksgiving
Where you live is irrelevant. If you want quality escorts you're going to have to do the legwork and really look for the type of girls you want by either contacting multiple escort agencies and/or going online to the more upscale sites like p411 or Eros. You have to search diligently.
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LegoMoney
1) Not to offend, but you kind of sound like a douche bag. The water bottle comparison plus all the details about your penthouse just rub me the wrong way. First, I guarantee you, the type of dancer you are trying to attract won't really care about your penthouse. She has likely seen, rented, or been fucked in better places. She has also encountered a lot of high-level men like the neighbors you describe. You aren't going to get her with this attitude. There is nothing worse than a wealthy guy who is also an entitled asshole.
2) I second almost everything said above by the the poster. For the best women, OTC is very rare, but it's usually a combination of a very nice guy who spends very generously up front with very little work having to be done on her part in the club.
I disagree two of the things worse than a rich entitled asshole as you put it are a sucker and a hater.
Putting no offense in front of such a blatantly bitch post doesn't change the content of it.
I cant disagree with anything the girl abive said either. I simply wont waste $1000.00 up front thats a suckers bet. If they want to earn $2000.00 back at my place they can get creative and earn it. Period... If they think their worth more and can get it elsewhere I say go for it.. Elliot Spitzer paid $1100 an hour I'm not buying anyone a Kia...
Now in regards to your comment about these girls having rented nicer places fucked in nicer places and dated men who are more wealthy than I am I couldnt agree more. Its a high earning profession. It attracts multi millionare celebrities. Alot of these girls are smart and even invest. I heard of one conning a colleague out of down payments for a home with the promise of marriage.
I dont presume I am in any position of power or standing from an ethical high ground.. If your good at dancing you can easily outearn an attorney right out of law school. If anyones making anything out of my comments its you I really doubt their thinking about what a "time waster" I am while Im dividing up $1000 bucks on purchasers and plant managers while I babysit my bread and butter.
In the same respect these girls work in a "stressful" industry thats a stones throw from the sex trade.. I own a business thats been in my family for 3 generations. When I'm 45 Ill still have my contacts and skillset which is neither dependent on my looks or age. If anyone wants to get in a pissing contest on my societal worth and success professionally when compared to Fransisco Cervelli or a stripper guess what... thats cool... :) I'm sure at 50 when she's reminiscing about having sucked the backup small forwards cock for the Memphis Grizzlies for a C Class Mercedes trip to The Domican and 3 months rent Ill be the last thing on her mind.. As shell be the last thing on mine.
Now I think its time I go get a bottled water dude because frankly your pretty fucking salty LOL
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Luckyguy09
Where you live is irrelevant. If you want quality escorts you're going to have to do the legwork and really look for the type of girls you want by either contacting multiple escort agencies and/or going online to the more upscale sites like p411 or Eros. You have to search diligently.
Eros is the exact market in Pittsburgh that disgusts me. Old plastic women with fake breasts. Its only good for NYC Chicago etc.
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I cant disagree with anything the girl abive said either. I simply wont waste $1000.00 up front thats a suckers bet.
The top notch girls aka beautiful, intelligent, clean, addiction free understand their worth. You'll need to compete with the 'suckers'. I would never meet a client out of the club without really getting to know him, and spending some time in VIP. The club is safe, and being alone with a stranger in a strange place is out of my comfort zone. Quality costs time and money. You get what you pay for. Beautiful girls make plenty of money at the club without having sex. You need to make yourself stand out. Or lower your standards.
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On the same note, many quality strippers make 1000 or more consistantly on the weekends with low mileage. I've had nights as a cam girl where I've made 2000. That is zero contact.
2000 to have sex with a stranger who won't get to know me and spend money on me in the club... is just ludacris. I don't need 2000 if it puts me in a compromising position. Otc means risk for the girl.
You're going to have a hard time getting a girl back to your place with your tactics. Fork it over or go hungry.
If your looking for answers that you want to hear, I recommend hitting up TUSCL.net ;)
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Papa Dandy
Eros is the exact market in Pittsburgh that disgusts me. Old plastic women with fake breasts. Its only good for NYC Chicago etc.
Oh I see. Well then, you need to head overseas young man. Germany, Thailand, Eastern Europe, ect... Here in America and in the UK girls since at least the 1990s have been heavily conditioned to artificially enhance themselves, and now the big thing is tatoos.
In other parts of the world women don't have tatoos, they don't drink or smoke, and they look like throwbacks from the 1960 and 70s when women were all natural and innocent looking. Eastern European women are amazing. They're all natural looking but they take great pride in dressing up and taking care of themselves. You would never see an E European woman in pajamas or unkept at the store like I see girls here in the States all the time.
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I agree with LegoMoney.....you sound like a douchebag.
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JDD
I agree with LegoMoney.....you sound like a douchebag.
Opposed to strippers who are suggesting I overtip bouncers and tell a girl how smart and special she is when I have known her for 35 minutes while wrapping my business card in hundreds and spending over $1000 dollars on her to chat for 2 or so hours.
The true definition of common sense modesty and human decency...
GFY
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Originally Posted by
Luckyguy09
Oh I see. Well then, you need to head overseas young man. Germany, Thailand, Eastern Europe, ect... Here in America and in the UK girls since at least the 1990s have been heavily conditioned to artificially enhance themselves, and now the big thing is tatoos.
In other parts of the world women don't have tatoos, they don't drink or smoke, and they look like throwbacks from the 1960 and 70s when women were all natural and innocent looking. Eastern European women are amazing. They're all natural looking but they take great pride in dressing up and taking care of themselves. You would never see an E European woman in pajamas or unkept at the store like I see girls here in the States all the time.
I agree 100% I like college students without plastic surgery not 35 year old + aspiring Dolly Parton impersonators with fake breasts fancy and lacy lingerie who ramble on about giving a GFE and being a VIP Escort and needing 4 TER reviews and preferring an Upper Class gentleman.
Asia is a buyers market. Well really so is the USA with this recession. I would just rather go for say a Selena Gomez compared to a Sophia Vergara and that market is rarely covered outside of the Big 5 LA NYC CHI MIA DC.
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OP, I think I get where you are coming from. You are a 29 year old guy who makes some cash and has nice digs, yet still can't score a good looking woman. So you would prefer to pay for sex with something that doesn't require a bag over her head or 10 hours of liposuction in order to look decent. Fair enough. It's kinda' sad to see a guy so young already in this position, but the hard reality is that nature is simply less kind to some than to others.
Having said all of that, none of this makes it ok for you to get emotional with strippers on their own support site. The ladies responding to you earn their livings from this, so it should come as no surprise that some of them will get a bit sensitive about certain topics. But as a guest on their support site, you need to put on your man pants on and understand where you are and why you are seeing these responses. Don't take it personally when a girl makes some big money suggestions - she is just telling you what she would want or expect from her own perspective.
My advice fwiw:
(1) Stow the ego act in the strip clubs. It may work on some, but IMHO and IME it will turn a lot of girls off. If there is one thing I have learned in the several years I have been taking girls OTC, it is that the hotter ones need to feel comfortable in order to seriously consider it. You can subtly convey that you have cash without being overt about it. Most will ask about what you do, which, along with some ITC spending, will get the point across without the whole song and dance. IMHO more important is being natural, friendly, relaxed and, very importantly, non-judgmental.
(2) You are way too young to be relying upon p4p for all of your female interactions. Hit the gym, often if needed. It won't change your face, but it will help with those girls who like a fit guy and can overlook some facial imperfections.
Anyway, just my :twocents: fwiw.
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So, Papa Dandy, I do not understand why customers like yourself make these types of threads and yet do not like the answers they received? What type of reaction did you think that you would received? Seriously, if you like college students so much...just go the sugar daddy route and stay out of the clubs. I swear sometimes customers on here bitch too much about type of women they want to spend time with. Just do with the type of women that you like and spend money on them. Geez, it is not that serious.::)
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Originally Posted by
Papa Dandy
I agree 100% I like college students without plastic surgery not 35 year old + aspiring Dolly Parton impersonators with fake breasts fancy and lacy lingerie who ramble on about giving a GFE and being a VIP Escort and needing 4 TER reviews and preferring an Upper Class gentleman.
Asia is a buyers market. Well really so is the USA with this recession. I would just rather go for say a Selena Gomez compared to a Sophia Vergara and that market is rarely covered outside of the Big 5 LA NYC CHI MIA DC.
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Originally Posted by
rickdugan
OP, I think I get where you are coming from. You are a 29 year old guy who makes some cash and has nice digs, yet still can't score a good looking woman. So you would prefer to pay for sex with something that doesn't require a bag over her head or 10 hours of liposuction in order to look decent. Fair enough. It's kinda' sad to see a guy so young already in this position, but the hard reality is that nature is simply less kind to some than to others.
Having said all of that, none of this makes it ok for you to get emotional with strippers on their own support site. The ladies responding to you earn their livings from this, so it should come as no surprise that some of them will get a bit sensitive about certain topics. But as a guest on their support site, you need to put on your man pants on and understand where you are and why you are seeing these responses. Don't take it personally when a girl makes some big money suggestions - she is just telling you what she would want or expect from her own perspective.
My advice fwiw:
(1) Stow the ego act in the strip clubs. It may work on some, but IMHO and IME it will turn a lot of girls off. If there is one thing I have learned in the several years I have been taking girls OTC, it is that the hotter ones need to feel comfortable in order to seriously consider it. You can subtly convey that you have cash without being overt about it. Most will ask about what you do, which, along with some ITC spending, will get the point across without the whole song and dance. IMHO more important is being natural, friendly, relaxed and, very importantly, non-judgmental.
(2) You are way too young to be relying upon p4p for all of your female interactions. Hit the gym, often if needed. It won't change your face, but it will help with those girls who like a fit guy and can overlook some facial imperfections.
Anyway, just my :twocents: fwiw.
LOL I'm living for this subtle (ok maybe not so subtle) shade !! Haha
Oh and OP.. Sophia vergara is hot as balls, you'd be lucky if she farted in your general direction. Who the fuck u think you're fooling
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To be completely honest you have a better chance of getting a cute girlfriend than getting a hot stripper to sleep with you, unless she has a drug problem. NakedNicole's advice is great---if she's single and open to that kind of thing. I would love a client like that, but at the end of the night I still went home to my husband and never did OTC even when I was single. Too risky and I made good money in the club so why do more? If the hottie dancers wanted to escort, they would be escorting...Also (spoiler alert) 90% are in relationships or married. I really don't understand why you don't just get a girlfriend or a hook up on tinder. Seems like a lot less trouble.
Edit: Although based on your responses and your attitude I can see why you are single. Maybe you should work on that. Then you won't have to pay for it.
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Depending on what size your penis is you could get part time stint in adult films. This way your agent, not you, handle negotiations, and you'll have access to young college aged women and can bang them at your hearts desire. Don't worry about your loved ones finding out, you don't have to show your face cause the audience is only interested in the money shot. How many inches do you have?
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Originally Posted by
rickdugan
OP, I think I get where you are coming from. You are a 29 year old guy who makes some cash and has nice digs, yet still can't score a good looking woman. So you would prefer to pay for sex with something that doesn't require a bag over her head or 10 hours of liposuction in order to look decent. Fair enough. It's kinda' sad to see a guy so young already in this position, but the hard reality is that nature is simply less kind to some than to others.
Having said all of that, none of this makes it ok for you to get emotional with strippers on their own support site. The ladies responding to you earn their livings from this, so it should come as no surprise that some of them will get a bit sensitive about certain topics. But as a guest on their support site, you need to put on your man pants on and understand where you are and why you are seeing these responses. Don't take it personally when a girl makes some big money suggestions - she is just telling you what she would want or expect from her own perspective.
My advice fwiw:
(1) Stow the ego act in the strip clubs. It may work on some, but IMHO and IME it will turn a lot of girls off. If there is one thing I have learned in the several years I have been taking girls OTC, it is that the hotter ones need to feel comfortable in order to seriously consider it. You can subtly convey that you have cash without being overt about it. Most will ask about what you do, which, along with some ITC spending, will get the point across without the whole song and dance. IMHO more important is being natural, friendly, relaxed and, very importantly, non-judgmental.
(2) You are way too young to be relying upon p4p for all of your female interactions. Hit the gym, often if needed. It won't change your face, but it will help with those girls who like a fit guy and can overlook some facial imperfections.
Anyway, just my :twocents: fwiw.
How about you fuck off with the nasty insults about my looks. You dont know me or what I look like or anything about me personally.
These rude women above were calling me a douchebag over comparing sex to bottled water acting like I go into clubs making it rain 1$ dollar bills acting like Elon Musk in sweat pants by myself. If you guys want to call me a douchebag for cutting the bullshit out of it when I am at the club entertaining clients by handing a girl my card and telling her to get at me outside of the club personally Ill be a douchebag ok..? Ok.. so heres how I see it.
You people are acting like I am running into a room full of kids at a mall and screaming that Santa Clause isnt real by explaining to these girls I dont pay 350 an hour to smell like shitty Abercrombie perfume. Which I guess is comparable in the sense that I am breaking the fourth wall on a line of bullshit and make believe predicated on socially manipulating the consumer. You know how many of them politely move onto one of my 50+ year old married clients and go earn MY 350 with them in the back? Alot.... So fuuuck you if you think me handing her my card is offensive...
The reality is your right this is a site dedicated to STRIPPING a profession which is predicated on a socially manipulative predatory environment while offering as little sexual gratification as possible for as much money as possible. I guess it was like asking for tips on how to pick a master lock on their website...
Noone was ever accused of saying strippers are great advisors or honest salespeople and practitioners frankly its a profession with as many drug addicts as college students working off tuition. Its rampant with burnout and mental illness. Hell I read in a thread here one guys girlfriend is suicidal after starting dancing.. So when some stupid fucking cunt above decides to take two sentences in my post above beat them to death and go on a rant about how shes fucked hotter richer men in nicer places what do you expect me to say?
You know who makes more than me? Bulk Cocaine dealers. They also have to deal with the karma danger and lack of a retirement plan and dealing with fucked up disrespectful people on a daily basis. Like some other professions I know...
You know whos better looking than me and never had to pay for it and probably tipped Miami strippers better than me? Jose Fernandez... Hes dead...
Get what Im saying asshole? I weight 275 and I am totally comfortable and satisfied with myself as a man and the aspects of my life I want to work on certainly wont benefit from the advice of the demographic and quality of human being that comes to this site for FAQs on conning men out of their money or how to handle suicidal tendencies from stripping...
You never hear people going on about how coke dealing is a better line of work compared to med school despite the debt associated with it. You know why? Smart people don't compare white collar careers to drug dealing and sex work or stripping...
All sales people try to upsell the exclusivity and importence of the product. Clearly these girls couldnt have an honest adult conversation in the realm of normal human common sense without upselling your industries product and getting shitty.
I dont give a fuck if these girls think I am important. I never thought like that. I care what important people think of my importence. I dont go trolling for human connection life advice or affirmation at a strip club. I go there to show my clients a good time and if a woman who presents herself who interests me (Which is rarer than you think) approaches me for a dance Ill throw it out there.. If she starts turning it into a classism or ethical issue OH WELL maybe she should find a new line of work... Shes a stripper...
I didnt come on here to be a dick to anyone but if you want to cry about me reacting to someone trolling me like somehow stripperweb.net is Switzerland for shitty predatory biased advice and unwarranted insults and I disrespected the sanctity of this honorable proud indigenous community I formally invite you to again kiss my fucking ass.
Dont start no shit wont be no shit.. Stripper...
PS
Good luck with your "careers" "ladies"
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Your best bet is a Tinder app, Seeking arrangement website, whatever booty call social network there is out there now a days, gyms, and college bars.
Strip clubs are not for you, at all. Don't even bother.
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Oh honey, I knew something was up with you. You are fake alpha with too much money to burn and not enough class. By the way, you are letting your insecurity show as a man by getting defensive on this site. Was it necessary to talk about your weight in your post? Also if you was that great..then you would be getting tons of quality kitty without needing to be cheap in a strip club. Even great men must paid for top quality women in many different ways. You need to start trolling for sorority girls. That is how I see. :)
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Papa Dandy
How about you fuck off with the nasty insults about my looks. You dont know me or what I look like or anything about me personally.
These rude women above were calling me a douchebag over comparing sex to bottled water acting like I go into clubs making it rain 1$ dollar bills acting like Elon Musk in sweat pants by myself. If you guys want to call me a douchebag for cutting the bullshit out of it when I am at the club entertaining clients by handing a girl my card and telling her to get at me outside of the club personally Ill be a douchebag ok..? Ok.. so heres how I see it.
You people are acting like I am running into a room full of kids at a mall and screaming that Santa Clause isnt real by explaining to these girls I dont pay 350 an hour to smell like shitty Abercrombie perfume. Which I guess is comparable in the sense that I am breaking the fourth wall on a line of bullshit and make believe predicated on socially manipulating the consumer. You know how many of them politely move onto one of my 50+ year old married clients and go earn MY 350 with them in the back? Alot.... So fuuuck you if you think me handing her my card is offensive...
The reality is your right this is a site dedicated to STRIPPING a profession which is predicated on a socially manipulative predatory environment while offering as little sexual gratification as possible for as much money as possible. I guess it was like asking for tips on how to pick a master lock on their website...
Noone was ever accused of saying strippers are great advisors or honest salespeople and practitioners frankly its a profession with as many drug addicts as college students working off tuition. Its rampant with burnout and mental illness. Hell I read in a thread here one guys girlfriend is suicidal after starting dancing.. So when some stupid fucking cunt above decides to take two sentences in my post above beat them to death and go on a rant about how shes fucked hotter richer men in nicer places what do you expect me to say?
You know who makes more than me? Bulk Cocaine dealers. They also have to deal with the karma danger and lack of a retirement plan and dealing with fucked up disrespectful people on a daily basis. Like some other professions I know...
You know whos better looking than me and never had to pay for it and probably tipped Miami strippers better than me? Jose Fernandez... Hes dead...
Get what Im saying asshole? I weight 275 and I am totally comfortable and satisfied with myself as a man and the aspects of my life I want to work on certainly wont benefit from the advice of the demographic and quality of human being that comes to this site for FAQs on conning men out of their money or how to handle suicidal tendencies from stripping...
You never hear people going on about how coke dealing is a better line of work compared to med school despite the debt associated with it. You know why? Smart people don't compare white collar careers to drug dealing and sex work or stripping...
All sales people try to upsell the exclusivity and importence of the product. Clearly these girls couldnt have an honest adult conversation in the realm of normal human common sense without upselling your industries product and getting shitty.
I dont give a fuck if these girls think I am important. I never thought like that. I care what important people think of my importence. I dont go trolling for human connection life advice or affirmation at a strip club. I go there to show my clients a good time and if a woman who presents herself who interests me (Which is rarer than you think) approaches me for a dance Ill throw it out there.. If she starts turning it into a classism or ethical issue OH WELL maybe she should find a new line of work... Shes a stripper...
I didnt come on here to be a dick to anyone but if you want to cry about me reacting to someone trolling me like somehow stripperweb.net is Switzerland for shitty predatory biased advice and unwarranted insults and I disrespected the sanctity of this honorable proud indigenous community I formally invite you to again kiss my fucking ass.
Dont start no shit wont be no shit.. Stripper...
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Good luck with your "careers" "ladies"
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How about you fuck off with the nasty insults about my looks. You dont know me or what I look like or anything about me personally.
You said the following, not me...
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...Right now I am contemplating hitting up the clubs around my place and attempting to negotiate after hours fun back at my spot. I have had luck at a club Downtown before by being very straight forward. I usually give the girl my business card and tell her I have a place a few blocks from the club and that I only spend money on dancers for customers of mine. I tell her I genuinely only spend money for myself on escorts and tell her that if she has interest in making more money off of me compared to what she would at the club sometime she can call me. I explain any extras within club takes the fun out of it for me...
If they think im bsing i just pull up pictures of my place. I live in a luxury apartment complex that houses the Chief of Police + Pirates starting catcher and the Steelers owners grandson and an ex Chicago Bear are my next door neighbors Out of 220 units only 17 have balconies on the top floor. Considering its proximity to the clubs pictures of this easily identifiable landmark have worked before.
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...If put in a position where I can work my butt off to feel good about scoring free Nestle water or I can choose to buy Evian I will simply spend money to experience quality..
You also previously referred to something that "better looking guys" do, but that seems to have disappeared since I first read it. If you don't want us to make inaccurate assumptions, then communicate better.
As far as the rest of that ridiculously dramatic post, I don't care what you do or how you live. If you want to pay for sex because you can't be bothered to get off your ass and lose some weight then that's your call. But don't come on here and give the girls crap for trying to do their jobs or by reacting poorly to a guy who posted the arrogant sounding nonsense I highlighted above.
Now maybe you wanted what you posted to come across differently, but it didn't. When a diverse group of people takes objection to the same comments, the fault usually lies with the person who posted them. We're not mind readers - we can only respond to what you are posting, not what you are thinking.
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Who would want to be with someone who has such a piss poor attitude? Even for pay for play. Damn. Good riddance.
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Yea. Let's call the Whaaambulance!