Trying to figure it out...
So, I've been working in this field for about a month and I've noticed that I'll have good days, then bad days and then good days, almost as if my luck in making money works in sort of a wave. I normally take mondays and either Tuesday or Wednesday off and I work the dayshifts, which at one club starts at 12 and I might leave about 8 or 9.
I seem to do better with dayshifts at this one club, which is an urban one. But I've noticed a strange pattern. I have not much trouble getting dances before 6.30. But I get a little bit tired around that time too. However, It seems almost a little impossible to get a dance off a customer. I'll even have a few tell me they dont want a dance only to see them dancing with another dancer. Or I'll have customers that may want only one dance with a dancer (is this even a thing?)
I did fairly well during a nightshift at another, smaller dive bar.
I usually try to project cheerfulness and try to keep the nervousness at bay, but I dunno if the customers are still sensing it. Am I also approaching them wrong? I dont ask if they wanna dance, but I may try go interest them in it by rubbing their leg. This seems to have worked a few times...but I tried it tonight with no success. Could it be that I'm making an awkward face as I do this?
I also try to usually start out with a conversation. Do guys usually like that?
I know that this isn't my ideal club but it's a place to work at until I get more experience.Tbh I don't want to be working here come spring. I really hope to have found a better, less demanding customer base club by then.
What could I work on in my approach?
Thanks!
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There's a lot of things to answer here so I am sorry if I miss anything.
For one, the ups and downs and the "waves" are never going to change. There might be a point 18-24 months down the road once you are truly seasoned where you have a specific nightly goal that is your bare min. (Mine was $450 but I had a friend who never walked with less than $700). This comes from a mix of building up regs. (try to get them to come specific nights (i.e. Dave on Tuesdays, Lenny every other Thursday; etc.) and knowing you can make this base number fairly easily. Once you hit it you will either not feel like trying as hard or the money comes easier after that. But, for the most part you will have good nights and bad nights and even good and bad "streaks" for the majority of the time you are a dancer. This is also a reason it is important to save your money and not blow it all.
The reason you are seeing a drop after 6:30 is this is because it is around shift change time. These customers are either waiting for their favorite dancers or just getting off of work and "settling in".
There is no point in feeling anything if they reject you and dance with another girl. Maybe he came specifically to see that girl. Maybe he likes saggy tits; maybe he likes blondes...
As far as your approach- I don't have enough information about what you are doing now to say if it is right or wrong but in general and IME whether you attempt to sit and chat or you "wanna dance" the crowd has a lot more to do with the type of club it is and the shift than the customers themselves. Sure, there are some guys will not dance with a girl who does not attempt to make small talk; this is not always the case.
If you find you are not selling dances and also not attempting small talk I would try sitting with them for 1 to 2 songs max before you try to sell them a dance. I can not say if you are making weird faces or they sense you are new because I am not there.
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Thanks for the info. I have to keep reminding myself that it's only been about a month and I try to keep reasonable expectations in mind.
I've never really been a great actor and flirting has always been awkward for me and I am a bit shy...but I think those things I can easily fix.
Yea I guess you are right about shift change. And, I try not to be pushy with dances either, but if you lightly touch a guy's arm or inner thigh and he doesn't respond, do you leave after a minute or so? And what if you've gone through a few custies and none of them get a dance from you? I find that this only happens when I stay past 7 or 8. It almost seems like I'm confined to making most of my money during dayshift, which I won't totally complain about but it would be great to be able to maximize profits. I guess either im not really cut out for night shifts, or I might just need a little more experience to work with the night crowd.
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It could also be the amount of time you've worked by that time that's affecting your hustle. I know my perfect shift is around 6 hours. If I work too long my hustle can be off and I won't really be feeling it.. so it's important for me to take advantage of the time I have while I'm there.
Or maybe around 6:30 is when the nightshift girls are getting there and they could be way more aggressive and experienced than you. So that could make things difficult for you too.
You've only been dancing a month and that's not too much time. Keep working on your hustle during the day and maybe slowly transition into nightshifts to see how you like it. Go in later one day so you have all your energy for nightshift.
Your money will always fluctuate but as long as it evens out at the end of the week then it's not a big deal. What helps me is to set a goal for every shift and then work hard to meet it before I let myself go home. But sometimes my mood is off for some reason or I'm tired or the club is abnormally slow and I won't meet the goal.
Getting a good hustle technique down takes some time so keep working on it. Your money will always fluctuate but it should become a little more consistent the better you are at the job. Just don't beat yourself up over a bad shift because we all have them.
If you keep getting turned down go in the dressing room and freshen up, maybe change outfits, get back on the floor and pretend you've been busy making money. It's not a good look to be seen by customers getting turned down a lot. Also, don't sit with customers too long if they aren't interested in dances. If they say no or don't seem interested in you just happily say it was nice meeting them and excuse yourself. Practice getting to know them in a song or two and then transitioning into selling dances/VIPs.
Read everything you can in hustle hut! There's a lot of good info that can help you.
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Rubelle
but if you lightly touch a guy's arm or inner thigh and he doesn't respond, do you leave after a minute or so? And what if you've gone through a few custies and none of them get a dance from you?
Walk me through this like I am a third grader- are you touching their arm/ leg and they are completely ignoring you or are you having a light convo and touching them but they won't buy a dance?
BE pushy with dances. Not like annoying or forceful but kind of like the girls that are at the kiosks in the middle of the mall that chase you to flat iron your hair or buff your nails or get you to try out some stupid potion or perfume. Like aggressive but constantly moving to the next person if you get rejected/blown off/ ignored.
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OK so I am doing both. I start with their arm then I will just go to their knee and rub their inner thigh. It almost seems to take a minute to get a response from some receptive ones. But... I get nervous if after a minute they keep staring at my hand and then looking back at me.
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I still don't understand. Are you sitting, making small talk then trying to subtly touch them or are you starting with the touch?
If they are looking at your hand then you it might be uncomfortable for them. Sorry, please explain a little more and I can give more advice.
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Rubelle
OK so I am doing both. I start with their arm then I will just go to their knee and rub their inner thigh. It almost seems to take a minute to get a response from some receptive ones. But... I get nervous if after a minute they keep staring at my hand and then looking back at me.
Is this a normal part of sales at your club?
If girls don't normally do this that could be confusing for some guys as well.
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Some guys will like it when you're touchy, but others will see this as you being fake. They could see it as "this girl just wants my money and doesn't actually want to touch me".
You'll get better at knowing different types of customers.