^^Okay and I have addressed numerous times why I think the OP is a predator. If you want me to argue why I think that is you can just reread all of my posts because that's literally all I've been talking about.
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^^Okay and I have addressed numerous times why I think the OP is a predator. If you want me to argue why I think that is you can just reread all of my posts because that's literally all I've been talking about.
I'm not debating any of that with you. The op even described the club as "predatory" so I'm not even sure he would argue it. I took issue with one comment you made only and commented on that. I think the thread went even further off track now due to that so my apologies to the op and the rest involved.
Well..
I know it was written about getting an escort & that's not wanted for w/ev reason..seems like the best way to go instead of cutting corners & dealing w/emotions
I doubt it because escorts can blacklist dudes that act negatively in any way, otc girls cannot. OTC women rely on the mans behavior in the club which is not always an accurate indication of how he'll behave during the transaction or after.
That's why they pull strippers otc cause they know they can get away with more at the same time pay less than the going escort rate while dodging screening, background checking, and being held accountable for past unsavory behavior.
He already said in his past posts he don't like screening.
Honestly Miss, it sounds like you are sharing theories rather than speaking from any real experience in these sorts of things. The reality is that plenty of escorts don't require screening either. If I was ever going to engage in "unsavory behavior" (which of course I wouldn't) it would be far easier with some random BP girl than it would be with a girl that knows a fair amount about me through our interactions ITC and who I will likely see again soon.
Also, in most markets guys generally pay more, not less, to take a stripper out than they would for a blow and go with an escort. There are a lot of reasons for this, some of which I won't get into here, but it makes sense if you think about it. That premium pays for things like perceptions of quality and exclusivity, among other things. There are some guys that do OTC with favorites who would never dream of dialing up anonymous escorts.
Quoting myself here^..how do you know, Rick, that they're not going to flip their shit on you? I know, you're going to say, "I know them from the club, been out multiple times, etc"..but it can & does happen, despite these things Maybe this's a warning sign for you? (Italicized & underlined quotes added after original post.
Just sayin' RD.
Okay, just out of curiosity, what was the original question you were asking Rick? I get that you're offended that people keep calling you a grooming creepy weirdo, but wasn't the original question if the club has made you cold? Is some of the posting maybe letting you know that, yeah, maybe? I remember your posts from a while back about your situation and why you choose to go to clubs, but I have to wonder, aren't you afraid that all of this, um, coldness, might have blowback in your personal life? That's also the danger of not choosing to be with a professional escort. You could find yourself in a situation where someone gets offended and decides they need to do some payback for real or imagined slights.
If nothing else I'd warn you to be cautious.
Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't it be much easier for a "professional escort" to cause blowback into his personal life? If an escort screens that means she gets his real name, phone number, possibly address, work information, etc. An otc dancer gets whatever name he gives her and a hotel room. I don't see how the former can't cause more damage if that was what she wanted to do. I do understand that an escort is less likely to be upset and less likely to ruin her own reputation by doing this but let's be real, a lot of escorts aren't really "professional". I've never called up one myself but giving that much information about myself seems far more likely to cause problems than a one off meeting in a hotel room with a girl from a club.
Believe it or not, I actually knew of a club that hired a female undercover as a dancer, to help out in a sting.
Something to think about too.
The way I see it is you waited until the girl was vulnerable enough to say yes to things she is uncomfortable with out of necessity (the holidays) so yes, you should feel bad, that is a normal emotion -> shame is a human reaction to doing something wrong. I would apologize to the girls next time you see them. "Hey I'm sorry if I made you do something you would not normally do" would suffice. They will then delve into details such as "it's ok" or "actually I was just having a rough week and I just happened to break down in front of you".
Jumping in very late here..........................
They say that things seem to run in threes, be it car troubles (which I had), or in your case dancers crying on you. Fwiw, I don't think you're sociopathic. I do think that you got a wakeup call that you need to step back and reflect upon the effect that your words/actions have on other people. (Which you appear to be doing just that.)
Somewhere among the white noise on SW and Tuscl, I seem to recall you acknowledging that you have a cold, sharp Northeastern way of talking. You've also made dancers cry in past occasions ( i.e., the EE dancer that cried after you told her that you couldn't understand what she'd been saying all the time). I don't mean to suggest that you're a real hard ass, or that you should soften your stance. You are what you are, and aforementioned hard sharp edge has gotten you some mileage in life.
I know dancers aren't supposed to get emotional about customers, yet some still do, especially with a regular like yourself. In all 3 cases, you know their marital/child support status. To get that knowledge required that you gain some degree of trust from the dancers. Hence a higher (if slight) level of "emotional connection" that vast majority of infrequent customers wouldn't normally get. In over 90% of dancers I've interacted with, I couldn't tell you their marital status, how many kids(if any) they have, what their other gig is, etc. An economic pinch coupled with losing a well paying customer may be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Without getting too analytical, maybe prior to engaging in future OTC give some degree of consideration on the effect activities have on others. I know that you can't always predict how people can react in adverse situations. For dancers who can entertain you well, but are initially gun shy about OTC, throttling back a little just might be in order.
I'm not sure what you mean but as the client I would think having your wife or job find out and that part of your life ruined could be worse than a prostitution charge. Honestly I don't know too much about the escorting world but I'd be very hesitant to be screened in the way I see escorts on this board talk about.
Then perhaps you shouldn't be making sweeping derogatory generalizations like this:
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If an escort started fucking with a client via his personal info, 1. I'm sure the client could get her in legal trouble for harassment and 2. I'm sure the client would have the ultimate dirt on her which is that she is engaging in illegal activity(escorting). Obviously the dude would be too, but he could get her into trouble anonymously. I don't think any actual professional escort would be behaving so unwisely, and professionals are who was being suggested for the OP.
Yes^.
I believe he's sought & been given this advice before..& before this thread.
Of course the drives are strong, self preservation usually comes first, or should?
I remember on thread where he waited on an otc dancer that took several long (very long) bathroom breaks (drugs)
He was admonished then as now.
I think he'll maybe back off for awhile, then keep going.
Hopefully not tho.
Anyway good luck.
That wasn't meant as derogatory. Are you saying there aren't a lot of unprofessiaonal girls escorting?
What I meant by my comment was that I wouldn't consider anyone who can throw an ad up on craigslist or backpage to be given a title of "professional escort". That doesn't mean that the majority aren't just that I wouldn't assume it and I sure wouldn't bet my family and career on it by providing my personal details to her.
I don't mean to downplay a prostitution charge but I do believe a client has more to lose.
Also, yes you did say a professional escort. I guess in my admittedly limited knowledge I just wouldn't know how to tell you are dealing with one before getting in too deep.
On a one to one note I do apologize to you if our interaction here got a little too heated (not that you can't or didn't handle it) :)
Well, you can definitely handle yourself well, Genoveve!:)
^^^Exactly, for a professional escort it would not make much sense business-wise. Major beef with a customer could end up being complete financial suicide.
It seems like some of the pink responses here are a bit hypocritical. We are talking about the club environment. Dancers are constantly pressuring customers for VIP's, buy drinks, etc. I don't see why asking a non-OTC dancer for OTC is such an issue for you all. It's not hurting your money in the club, and everyone involved is a consenting adult.
After I get to know a dancer that I like in the club. I will offer OTC to them, and I usually only offer it to those that aren't currently doing OTC. If they don't want it, they can just say no, and I won't bother them further unless they raise the subject later. I do tell them what I'll pay for the OTC, and often, that is an attractive offer to the dancer, and she will accept.
I prefer dancers to escorts. Escorts are always an unknown quantity, often with fake pictures, and probably seeing a large number of clients. With OTC, I know what the dancer really looks like. I know if I have chemistry, and I can get a feel for her character and personality. The ITC time I spend with them is like an extended interview process. As a result, I've always felt my money spent on OTC has always been well worth it.
Frankly, after you've been going to the club for a few years, the thrill of VIP is gone. If it weren't for finding dancers for OTC, I probably wouldn't even bother going to the club anymore. OTC , I think, provides a little thrill of the chase. Let's face it. Strip clubs have always played on that "ooh, maybe I can get that pretty girl to dance in VIP fantasy". But after you've realized that dancers are begging for you to spend money in VIP for a pretty tame experience, you look for a bigger thrill. I'm just scratching the same itch that brought me into a strip club in the first place. :)
When I was younger, strip clubs were packed on weekends, because they were dangerous, exciting, etc. Because, sex was not so easy to get as today. In strips clubs in most cities today, clubs are half empty on weekends. Just like no one goes to burlesque shows today because they are so tame, I think fewer people are going to strip clubs today, because they seem tame to modern audiences used to easy sex on tinder, etc.
Do they cry after your transactions with you though?
No, but they do get upset when you move on to a new dancer.