Well, it seemed like some of the responses were upset at the fact that he pursued dancers who didn't do OTC. I was just saying, I think those are fair game.
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That what I think was part of the problem. Rick Dugans might not be clear to them that it's just p4p and possibly stringing them along like he's their sugar daddy or something more.
He probably cuts them off cold after developing this ongoing "rapport", satisfying his carnal desires, then comes back to the same club and hustles their coworkers right under their nose.
Thats why I asked were these girls all working the same club together.
I agree he should be clear if it's P4P or SD. But if he was treating them as an SD, and compensating them that way, I don't think he is required to continue that indefinitely, beyond any commitments he may have promised. Sugar daddies also have expiration dates.
I normally have a favorite club where I find most of my OTC. The thing is, turnover in clubs is pretty high, so that helps some. I'm not sure what jealously happens behind the scenes. What I normally see is the one I moved on from making a play to keep me seeing her. Sometimes that works and I'll split my time between them. Other times, I may have moved on for a reason, so I keep a clean cut off.
I think during my ITC screening, I can tell if the dancer is prone to cattiness (e.g. talking about other dancers). I usually avoid those. I don't want or need the drama.
OK, this is getting a little silly now. Anyone who thinks that taking a dancer OTC is riskier than hiring some anonymous chick from a web ad clearly doesn't know what she/he is talking about. Anyone who thinks otherwise should spend a little time on monger sites reading about the shit that these guys go through just to blow a load. I've gone the other route a handful of times over the years and it sucks, at least for me. It is a crap shoot every time one dials up a new girl, with everything on the table from grab and dash to bait and switch to old pics to drugged out girls to poor service to pimps hanging close by to LE stings to any number of other potential problems.
The occasional shit that I encounter in taking strippers OTC pales in comparison to the nonsense that they deal with. It also has the added huge benefits of: (1) discretion, since the girls I take out are not plastered all over escort sites and, hence, are not on anyone's radar; and (2) ensuring that I am not one of several served that day, especially since I don't take girls OTC who work in heavy extras clubs. When I leave a club with a favorite. I have zero worries about LE, I know exactly what I am getting and I usually have a much greater chance of a good encounter that those dudes who dial up these anonymous girls. I will never trade what I do to operate like escort mongers do, always worrying about countless different things. No gracias.
Wow rick dugans! 2200+ views 100+ replies just to ask for input you're not going to do anything with. New Years, new criers.
What's ya email address so I can send you an invoice in the email for consulting services?
Actually miss, I received a lot of great feedback on here that I am considering very carefully. Unfortunately this thread went off the rails some time back.
That what happens when you go 5 pages deep. Multiple mini convos. It didn't seem too off topic too me.
O, the probs of the modern man, why can't I find a human blow up doll to 'blow my load' in, that won't cause me ANY irritations?
So, we're silly now?
& you ask advice of silly people?
Wow, just wow.
Ok, I know I'm not waiting for my latest conquest to finish his drugs, & deal w/pimps like you mentioned.
Well, like I said, good luck.
RD,
While I agree with you on many of these points about the dangers of going with low-end escorts, you should really take the answer "no" the first time around. Then you won't have girls crying after being with you out of necessity.
I would love to see what the guys over on TUSCL are saying about this very thread. Did you cross-post it over there like you usually do?
Those guys are hardcore and they're bottom feeders so most times their opinions are worthless. However the guys do go ham on rick Dugan over there on tuscl. I won't repeat the names I've seen them call him but they have questioned his manhood https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=47251
Oh and ricks savage otc hustle explained. https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=31127
Beautiful variation of this thread on that site, lmao. Truly. Honestly.
I did not cross post it. Frankly, I doubt that most of the responses I would have seen from that bunch would have been very useful.
But I do want to be clear about something. I do not hard sell girls that I take OTC. I just try to make it very easy for them to say yes. This includes these girls, who continued to approach me even after they initially said no on previous visits. It's difficult to adequately outline all of the nuances of these interactions in a discussion like this, but suffice it to say that these were evolving situations with active participants on both sides. Now maybe none of that excuses the predatory nature of some of what I do, especially on the timing front, but I really didn't expect reactions like this. I never had these problems in northeast clubs with the Italian, Russian and Latina girls that I used to do the same thing with, nor did I experience any of the other problems that I have run into down here. I won't pretend to understand why things are so different now, but there it is.
Anyway, thanks for all of your input throughout this thread. You and many others have given me some things to chew on.
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=45378
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=46803
"September 23, 2016 • I too am becoming concerned that Rick Dugan's System might indeed involve taking advantage of strip club dancers who are in bad straights. Just so many threads which seem to indicate that.
SJG"
Well, we aren't the only ones that said it..
Interesting miss. What exactly was the purpose in cross posting that first troll thread? Sadly, a troll has taken it upon himself to follow me around the site and has dedicated in excess of 2,000 posts to me. Fortunately the site has an ignore feature, which I use fairly liberally nowadays.
And the second thread does not make anything I posted inconsistent. It is three years old and I was having a fine time in that club at that moment. It is not very relevant to the discussion we are having today, nor is there anything posted there that one could consider "savage."
If I understood him correctly he did take no the first time around and left it there. I think he said they approached him later and brought it up again wanting to do it when they needed the money. So I would say if anything he needs to take the answer no the first time around and not take the answer yes the second time around.
"October 8, 2016 • After missing Friday shifts due to weather and power outages, there have to be some hungry strippers right now in NE and central Florida. Even better, with so many guys who still have more pressing issues to manage (such as guys with families who have no power or those dealing with cleanup), I am wondering if conditions are ripe for new OTC engagements or even dicier ITC activities. For those of you who can get to clubs in affected areas, I suspect that tonight could be interesting."
-Rick Dugan TUSCL
Come on Rick, this is a predatory way to do OTC. There are girls that WILL do it. You don't need to wait till they're in a financial bind to snake your way in there. You're better than this. But, at least you feel guilty.
Someone beat me if I go near this thread again.
Thank you.
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Actually, Rick, I found your methods to be a bit icy for many strippers. However, I believe that next time you need to find a few ladies that can meet your match at the strip club. Pick ladies who have the experience and pose to handle your iciness. Remember many women will not like a very icy and cold tone. Also, maybe you should clarified if these arrangements are either p4p or sugar daddy/sugar baby? Also, make sure that you do not make feel rejected if you do not like their OTC skills. Maybe you should also be more engaging with them during OTC. Just remember, strippers are not personal sexbots but humans with emotions and thoughts. :) This my two cents on this matter.
Omg this is cracking me up. I would be scandalized............if it wasn't for the fact that this dude had my skin crawling from the gate. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
That first one possible troll thread yes but that second thread is very relevant.
That past tuscl thread Shows you doing the same currently:
1) getting p4p action dirt cheap like mentioned earlier when you claim it cost more than an escort when it does not
2) you know those women aren't going to talk amongst themselves so if you behave unsavory there is nothing they can do. Who are they going to tell??? They can't be like hey ladies rick Dugans acted like a douche toward me girl avoid him. Hence one reason why you prefer this set up over the checks and balances of the escort world
3) you are aware the women get attached to you when you said "it creates ownership issues in the club"
Lol @ you "stroking" the managers