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Are we alone? Proxima Centauri b
Lay out the facts first. The Milky Way is estimated to contain 100–400 billion . There are likely at least 100 billion in the Milky Way (Sailor Mars and Venus are just droplets in the big schemes of this). The Milky Way has several and is part of the of galaxies, which is a component of the
Andromeda, nearest major to the . Telescope revealed that Andromeda contains stars: at least twice the number of stars in the Milky Way, which is estimated to be 200–400 billion. That's only two galaxies.... Recent estimates of the number of galaxies in therange from 200 billion (7011200000000000000♠2×1011) to 2 trillion (7012200000000000000♠2×1012) or more, containing more than all the on planet .
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Now, let's talk about Proxima Centauri b, Proxima Centauri b (also called Proxima b or Alpha Centauri Cb) is an orbiting within the of the , the closest star to the . Proxima Centauri B is just one star away... (same Galaxy, Milky Way)
In August 2016, the announced the discovery of the planet....
<font size="1">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A22tOPjBBns
Do you think we're alone?
Thoughts below.
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So... It's not a question of IF there is life on the planet but rather... Do they have strippers??? Once we can answer this question then we can ask the all important question... Do their strippers have fake butts? ;D
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I haven't watched the video yet, will have to wait till I get my headphones tomorrow.
Haha about strippers, I think that yea they probably have their own version of them in their realm of the universe. A big thing I've been looking into recently is that with the massive size of the universe, along with a multiverse being possible and looked into, that our little earth and us as a life form on this one little planet have no clue what could be out there. We can only comprehend wha we have been given to understand for what is necessary for our life on this planet etc, for this life cycle and for our development in this incarnation. It's all that is necessary for us to understand for this lifetime.
These theories make me believe that certainly there's life, as there'd have to be or nothing would exist at all.
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This is all clearly my own hypothesis.
There is most certainly life on other species, however due to the vast distances, hard speed limit, and early age of the universe (14 billion years is not that long in the cosmic scale) the odds are high that we will never meet these species.
In the realm of science fiction we clearly would have to go faster than the speed of light for this to even come close to being false.
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Well 14 billion years isn't that long... but of course if time has no dimension, then somewhere on another plane it has been 50 billion years somewhere else (or 49. or 49.5422 or 0.4 billion years). That's at least externalism philosophy of time, that there is no past, present, and future.
Therefore time machines do exist somewhere, but I think the question rather, can an intelligent species go into the past?
I think we're known on another plane, like 5 billions in cosmic age, but as a historical curiosity "if at all" more than an actual world to visit. I think in their data base, we're like, "Old Earth" and the sun has reach an end of life phase (the sun is supposedly will turn into a red giant in 5 billion years; which mean it has reach its hottest point in its life).
http://www.extremetech.com/wp-conten...Cycle.svg_.png
Can't expect humans to be around to see any of that. 1 Billion years ago, there wasn't anything but 1-cell organisms if that. Dinosaurs are very modern still because they came around 300 million years ago.
http://warrensburg.k12.mo.us/ew/0to1byline.gif
But that's assuming so many things. 1. Humans were capable to leave a mark on the universe. 2. An intelligent species wouldn't want to visit a planet that resemble Venus (I think after many years, that's what our future holds since the Sun will become a red giant). That means they were either capable of seeing our fossils in the planet, or 2. Internet was able to show them our past. 3. Time machine capable of seeing our past (but they would need a reason to explore anyways).
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DeathAndTaxes
This is all clearly my own hypothesis.
There is most certainly life on other species, however due to the vast distances, hard speed limit, and early age of the universe (14 billion years is not that long in the cosmic scale) the odds are high that we will never meet these species.
In the realm of science fiction we clearly would have to go faster than the speed of light for this to even come close to being false.
In the past year or so I have done a lot of research on time travel theory and the theory of time in general. An example of the way I see it is to take the earth for example: Someone living in Australia isn't seeing future events just because their time says it's Sunday when it's still Saturday in NY, etc. Time does not change events because of distance. It is not part of the equation - it doesn't change the events throughout the entire universe, it is all one, jus like all living things.
To me, it's simply taking the time out of time travel, distance, etc, and understand it is an invention created by us foradded stability and order is basically how I see it.
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Timezones are funky, frankly they are pretty antiquated standards that confuse people more than they help.
There is a thing called Unix Epoch time, which is the number of seconds transpired after Midnight Jan 1st 1970 London time. Australia and the US are all exactly at the same Unix Epoch time: 1486230862 seconds
Now it gets confusing when you think of general relativity, Australia is 42 lightmilliseconds away, meaning that whatever happens there (for example election results) we will only know 42 milliseconds later, never before that.
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DeathAndTaxes
Timezones are funky, frankly they are pretty antiquated standards that confuse people more than they help.
There is a thing called Unix Epoch time, which is the number of seconds transpired after Midnight Jan 1st 1970 London time. Australia and the US are all exactly at the same Unix Epoch time: 1486230862 seconds
Now it gets confusing when you think of general relativity, Australia is 42 lightmilliseconds away, meaning that whatever happens there (for example election results) we will only know 42 milliseconds later, never before that.
Very interesting. Matches quite well with the mathematical makeup of the universe, which is another theory I've became very interested in recently and have started to study better. A lot of those numbers form patterns jus like the Golden Ratio, and PI, both being major major building blocks in the pattern of the universe in a sense.
I recently watched a 3 series set documentary on theathematical buildup of the universe and the guy who did that documentary went into great detail. I enjoyed every second because he elaborated very well on things I've studied a lot recently. I you're interested in checking it out, it's called "the code" on Netflix.
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DeathAndTaxes
Timezones are funky, frankly they are pretty antiquated standards that confuse people more than they help.
There is a thing called Unix Epoch time, which is the number of seconds transpired after Midnight Jan 1st 1970 London time. Australia and the US are all exactly at the same Unix Epoch time: 1486230862 seconds
Now it gets confusing when you think of general relativity, Australia is 42 lightmilliseconds away, meaning that whatever happens there (for example election results) we will only know 42 milliseconds later, never before that.
Unless you believe in quantum entanglement
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Bahuba
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Unless you believe in quantum entanglement
Quantum entanglement is a real proven scientific fact, the problem is that for you to "decode" the information you need classical information delivered, ergo still obeying the rules of causality.
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As Miguel Alcubierre has shown, our "time" is mapped on to the STC per the context of our dimension and our understanding. The last thing we should do is make assumptions about other life forms. In 100 years, barring the collapse of civilization, we'll have strong AI that will effectively be immortal. It is inevitable that we'll be superseded. The "earthlings" that extraterrestrial life forms will meet will be, at best, human-AI hybrids. At worst, our entire history will be a memory.
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DeathAndTaxes
Quantum entanglement is a real proven scientific fact, the problem is that for you to "decode" the information you need classical information delivered, ergo still obeying the rules of causality.
You do now. They used to change dollars for gold too. It's a question of interface, and I wouldn't be bold enough to assume that will remain constant.
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I've studied a lot how the earth is formed with numbers. You posting that number about time just helped confirm that I believe I have been on the right track here. I'll share some.
Pi is 3.14. The difference in 1 and 4 is 3 and the start of pi is obviously 3. These numbers create a never-ending set of numbers from patterns created by the original 3 numbers, just like the 3 primary colors. These numbers are building blocks of the entire universe.
1486230862
3.14 - The difference in 1 and 4 being 3 and pi starts with 3. It is the universal law of circumphrence that pi is a formula for a sphere. Circumphrence divided my the width equals 3.14 each time. We have the basic spherical buildup of the entire universe with this alone.
1486230862
Starting at the beginning of this number, the 1 and 4 at the start leave a remaining of 3. 4 and 8 is 4, 8, 6 2. 1486230862
Just to start with an example of one number describing time in a large number...
1.) 3 4 2 4 1 3 8 2 4
1 2 2 3 2 5 6 2
1 0 1 1 3 1 4
1 1 0 2 2 3
0 1 2 0 1
1 1 2 1
0 1 1
1 0
1
2.) 3 4 2 4 1 3 8 2 4
1 2 2 3 2 5 6 2
1 0 1 1 3 1 4
1 1 0 2 2 3
0 1 2 0 1
1 1 2 1
0 1 0
1 1
0
3.)3 4 2 4 1 3 8 2 4
1 2 2 3 2 5 6 2
1 0 1 1 3 1 4
1 1 0 2 2 3
0 1 2 0 1
1 1 2 1
0 1 1
1 0
1
This is par of the way I see numbers as building blocks. Even binary code can be seen in a small formation from looking here. 1 0 in a pattern over and over and can use the same formulas to form the code written in binary based on he order of the numbers and the patterns they create. Time is a very specific set of numbers so it creates the same times on our clocks day after day after day 365 days a year. Even 365 is starting with the formula for circumphrence which is 3, and will always create the same tick tock clock work for time, jus like a circle will always equal pi with the formula. This is just a tiny explanation of some of workings just on a small part of earth. There's all the other planets, galaxies, universe and maybe even multiverse. We can never imagine the workings of itbased on notevwn being able to understand the akeup of our own planet yet. But we can see that the basic buildup of the entire universe will use the same formula, numbers are universal non changing and stay that way forever. It is the creation technique I believe an intelligent being created along with science included because there's a whole other set of patterns for life forms, their evolution, life cycles, etc... It's a beautiful thing.
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DeathAndTaxes
Quantum entanglement is a real proven scientific fact, the problem is that for you to "decode" the information you need classical information delivered, ergo still obeying the rules of causality.
This was a concept I had to wrap my mind around right now.
I just watch this video, he explained it well (I look for short videos too).
It makes sense in a way. I need to look into this more before I give a full-out opinion on this though!
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^^philip k dick thought the same thing, and gave public speech about it. I can't find the link
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DeathAndTaxes
I don't agree with him - he's applying bi-stable gate binary concepts, developed for electric components, to a phenomenon that is entirely different. Faster than light travel and communication will be "impossible" until they aren't. No one has refuted Alcubierre other than to say his process requires too much energy, and the best we know is that quantum entanglement can't be used to communicate now.
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Bahuba
I don't agree with him - he's applying bi-stable gate binary concepts, developed for electric components, to a phenomenon that is entirely different. Faster than light travel and communication will be "impossible" until they aren't. No one has refuted Alcubierre other than to say his process requires too much energy, and the best we know is that quantum entanglement can't be used to communicate now.
Agreed. The mathematical system holding the universe and all of life including our balance which is crucial are much more complex than binary alone. Binary code alone is so small of a percentage of the actual system in general looking at the big picture. They have random correct, I do believe in random, but that is not to be left in the hands ofsome humans with what seems to be inflated egos thinking they can control such a thing and have a chance at ever being successful.
I also don't like how they say this can't mess with the natural balance. Where do they get this information to make that kind of claim. I call BS. You can't unbalance the universe, it's held together by the perfect balance.
This is silly. Doesn't worry me, I don't see it ever being successful.
As for the OP for this thread. These are the types of things that are going to be wanting to be explored more and more by the other beings out there. I beleive there's good and bad, but the arrogance of some people is going to be the start of contact with them over humans messing around where they don't belong.
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Bahuba
I don't agree with him - he's applying bi-stable gate binary concepts, developed for electric components, to a phenomenon that is entirely different. Faster than light travel and communication will be "impossible" until they aren't. No one has refuted Alcubierre other than to say his process requires too much energy, and the best we know is that quantum entanglement can't be used to communicate now.
But it is still in the realm of science fiction. Quantum entanglement and FTL being impossible are current scientific facts, warping space-time is something that the physical laws allow but it is expensive.
That said using quantum entanglement to communicate faster than light violates current physical laws.
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i love this stuff, great thread DamnJolene!
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I had a very different experience this morning which was super cool too. Possibly even direct contact with another race myself. I'm not nutty, this was far too direct to the point and spoke on to just throw it out as nonsense, so I'm gonna share it.
The last couple of days I've had a big increase in understanding new things I'd been interested in. I started understanding things at lightening speed being put into my consciousness. I've felt some odd activity and energy around me as well. I woke up today to things seeming interesting but also very odd to me, mainly the oddnss was just something completely new so not a bad thing. My curiosity stays active. I have a ghost radar app ony pho e and I'll get it out to mess around with it if I can sense activity.
My radar app pretty much went crazy from the get go which is unusual, it starts slow. Dots for activity were everywhere and they all kept jumping on top of each other forming patterns and matching their colors to all match imperfect order. I was like this is going to be a fun one lol . Threads picked up the first word once I started getting g ready to type questions. That word was serious. I wasn't sure what to think at first so I asked their name. No response, it stayed the same word. I figured maybe they were just serious or maybe they weren't friendly. I asked what they were doin here talking to me and why. Their answer was the word learning. This is when I first started wondering if I was talking to spirits or possible ET. I'll type out the rest of the responses in simpler question answer style.
Me: Do you want to learn from us, or us learn from you?
App: Elaborate and new - which I took to mean they were possibly ea younger generation or maybe a younger race.
( I think it was this one I made a couple this question, just a couple letters that were off) So on the typo sentence they answered elaborate. I retyped the sentence with the fixed letters and they answered. Makes me wonder if they are possibly programmed to read our language letter to letter exact math only with no typos.
Me: Is this learning for friendly use out of curiosity?
App: Nice
Me: What do you want to learn about?
App: Breathing, working, engine, hospital. They did quite a few pretty quick with those. I responded with some information that was general to what they were asking. I wanted to learn more about who or what I was talking to also by this point lol.
I asked where they were from. They answered location. I figured it could be a place they couldn respond with a word. Interestingly, 3 dots showed up on the screen forming a triangle. They repeated it like 3 times all the exact same area and shape. The screen on an app just isnt advanced enough to place that type of location by a long shot though.
Me: I asked if they were here in my physical world talking to me, and if so then why couldn't I see them? I asked if they were in a different realm or if they were even here at all.
App: Watch was their answer. Then they formed clusters in the corner of the he dots. They were in the corner I was sitting by the area on the radar screen. So I say that for a minute and didn't notice anything unusual. Then I saw a weird looking spider crawling up the couch, then it went behind the couch, figured it was gone. I waited a few more minutes then I saw the same spider crawling down the wall and went behind the couch I was sitting on. It seemed to be tryin to get my attention and looking at me instead of running like usual. I found that interesting. The finally said do.ething else. (Prepare) then there went the spider o the arm of the couch, went over the back and that's where I saw what was interesting. What almost seemed like a small demo of a complete other dimension or world right there projected onthe white wall. It wasn't DVD quality or anything, it was very different. Like they were engrossing the wall to form shapes enough to present a very coloring book white version of what was possibly them. It was cool I thought, definitely. I sat there for a while watching different shapes. Then all the dots disappeared, activity on the radar was gone and it said one last word. "Waves". I took it as bye and waved back.
This happened just earlier this morning, debated if I wanted to share it or not and decid d yes this thread is a perfect spot. Some may think I'm loony but I know just as many who will think its awesome. It definitely made me want to look more into this and I know I experienced it, cell phone app or not. They answered all questions excep for their names which they may not even have and location which they couldnt write to us in our language more than likely.
Maybe I should try to dig deeper here, thoughts? Contact with an alien race and be able to provide evidence. Mg, or am I overhinking this a little?
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Djoser
i love this stuff, great thread DamnJolene!
Yeah, too bad science threads are not more popular.
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DeathAndTaxes
But it is still in the realm of science fiction. Quantum entanglement and FTL being impossible are current scientific facts, warping space-time is something that the physical laws allow but it is expensive.
That said using quantum entanglement to communicate faster than light violates current physical laws.
I'm not sure you can call something science fiction when several prominent scientists believe it is possible. I'm confused about your second sentence, which seems to contradict itself.
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Bahuba
I'm not sure you can call something science fiction when several prominent scientists believe it is possible. I'm confused about your second sentence, which seems to contradict itself.
Believing is possible is really far away from physical fact, even if the theories were published you still need the experiments to prove it.
We have done Quantum entanglement experiments, and Quantum teleportation, we have never found a way to violate causality and have FTL communication, that is why it is science fiction.
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Did someone already mention the Drake Equation? It is the best equation for estimating the possibility of other life in our galaxy.
The Drake equation is:
N = R * fp * ne * fℓ * fi * fc * L
where:
N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible
and
R= the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space
.....and this equation is used just to determine an estimation of intelligent life in our galaxy alone, never mind the billions and billions of other galaxies in this universe!
So, yes, I strongly believe we are not alone. The question is, will we ever meet other civilizations or find evidence of them (that isn't blocked/hidden by the government)?