Genetic Engineering: Pig-human hybrids
JAN 27 2017 - This came across my page, to avoid getting biased comments, I leave out my opinion. Pig-human hybrids. "Pig hybrids only contain about one human cell to 100,000 pig cells and were very tricky to make". They only let the hybrid live for 1 month due to "ethical" reasons. The purpose was to develop human organs.
. Also, a lot of pigs came out deformed due to the human cells disrupting it's normal development.
Currently, the US government has a ban on using federal funding to support research into human chimeras. (The new study was conducted mostly with private money.) However, last August, the National Institutes of Health announced that it was .
The Salk team’s next hurdle is trying to embed one human cell in 1,000, or even 100 pig cells. “That’s when we can start thinking about practical applications,” says Wu. But that’s also when ethical questions start to become more urgent. How many cells do you need for a chimera to be considered more human than pig?
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/first-human-pig-chimera-step-toward-custom-organs/
What are your thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCM3UpkRms8
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wow, who knew my ex would be in this?
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Yuck! Man and animal should not be cross together. No one is thinking about that genetic and moral complications? Will this "chimera" be more man or animal? Who shall accept these beings? Animals? Humans? Both? Neither? What about the chimeras themselves? They will be part animal and part human. Humans already have a hard time accepting people of different races, nationalities, and religions than themselves. Why shall we throw these beings into the mix? Also animals might not accept them either. Poor H.G Wells was warning us about genetic engineering man with plants and animals more than hundred years ago in "The Island of Doctor Moreau". Sure, Wells was off by saying that animals could talk like us humans but creating chimeras create a whole list of moral issues. :(
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wow, who knew my ex would be in this?
LOL!!
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DonaDiabla
Yuck! Man and animal should not be cross together. No one is thinking about that genetic and moral complications? Will this "chimera" be more man or animal? Who shall accept these beings? Animals? Humans? Both? Neither? What about the chimeras themselves? They will be part animal and part human. Humans already have a hard time accepting people of different races, nationalities, and religions than themselves. Why shall we throw these beings into the mix? Also animals might not accept them either. Poor H.G Wells was warning us about genetic engineering man with plants and animals more than hundred years ago in "The Island of Doctor Moreau". Sure, Wells was off by saying that animals could talk like us humans but creating chimeras create a whole list of moral issues. :(
I agree with this completely.
When I read this, I was like disgusted. I think 1 drop of human blood makes an organism "human". Even if it's 0.01%, it's human. And if you're killing "it" one month after birth.... that is no longer abortion. You can't draw the line at 1%, 10%, or 100%... and in that 1% of human DNA, there is centuries of evolution that happened, and nationalities that could be within that 1%.
THAT ONE PERCENT BLOODLINE MEANS YOU ARE A RELATIVE OF THAT PIG. That pig had human grandma, a human grandpa, human history! That pig is no longer "just a pig" to murder in the name of science! Imagine, your own DNA is in a pig, you cannot deny the fact that pig has your blood running through his veins. The pig is now part of your family.
I'm not religious, but I think these chimeras, technically have a soul (if I was Christian), by the default of having human DNA. I'm kind of agnostic-atheist-spiritualist, so I can't say whether or not it does have a human soul, but the pig is definitely part-human.
Just saying.
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I fear the future too. I can see it already happening, rich elitist people creating chimera slaves with 5%-10% animal bloodlines to make them "different" enough to not consider them humans in some bizarre first-world country. To make them more docile, dumber, and weaker so they couldn't overcome the elitist. I know that sounds science fiction, but damn, it already happened, the pig-human chimera had already been born. Why can't this happened?
That would be like Brave New World.
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I don't need organs that badly either, I know the premise behind the chimera. There has to be another way to clone human organs, but I don't think creating chimeras is the way to do it.
Not for the faint-heart (I watch this last summer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pKY8UE0mQ
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Idk. I'd have to figure out the ethical side by getting more info on the topic. So far the only question I am wondering about is why did they have to euthanize the chimera and the host after 1 month? They said ethical reasons but that's vague to me. And I thought human DNA was closer to monkeys/apes so why not use them? Maybe pigs are more docile?
I do think we need cures for terminal illnesses and if they have to do this kind of research then perhaps it could be of some benefit.
Idk. I'm looking into more as I've never heard of this before.
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I think link describes it best for ethical (at least what I could dig up)
"Since cows and pigs are similar in size to humans, the human organs they grow could be harvested and transplanted into people. The key organs targeted in this research are the heart, liver, kidney, pancreas, lungs, and brains. Pigs and cows would become, essentially, living containers for an unlimited supply of human organs." (not sure if that's a good thing that cows are close to human size lol)
"A particular area of concern is the creation of chimeras with human brain cells. These organisms may be capable of self-awareness to the extent that they understand their identity and circumstances, which would produce unbearable suffering. Will we know when the subjective experience of such a being has crossed the generally accepted line of decency and morality? If we cannot say with certainty that this will never happen, then we need to stop this kind of research right now before we find ourselves in a world where there is no line."
I don't know why the 1-month rule.
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Yuck! Man and animal should not be cross together. No one is thinking about that genetic and moral complications? Will this "chimera" be more man or animal? Who shall accept these beings? Animals? Humans? Both? Neither? What about the chimeras themselves? They will be part animal and part human. Humans already have a hard time accepting people of different races, nationalities, and religions than themselves. Why shall we throw these beings into the mix? Also animals might not accept them either. Poor H.G Wells was warning us about genetic engineering man with plants and animals more than hundred years ago in "The Island of Doctor Moreau". Sure, Wells was off by saying that animals could talk like us humans but creating chimeras create a whole list of moral issues. :(
No one is trying to create weird pig man creatures like from the Island of Moreau, that not the goal of the research, most of the pigs would still basically be pigs, but with some human tissue and cells for research and transplants. Like maybe it's a pig with a human heart that could be used to test heart medication on, you if found to be completely safe, transplanted into humans. But in every other way that matters they'd still be pigs, not sentient pigmen.
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That cartoon is kind of creepy. Now I get the ethics part a bit better. I could see rougue scientists getting private funding to disregard the ethical part say if a rich person wanted a talking dog like that cartoon. And although animals have certain rights, humans have more rights than animals so at what point are these creatures considered human with respect to having rights like a human?
As far as the criticisms of chimera research being equivalent to humans play God. Yeah we've been doing that for a long time so as long as they're not implanting human brain cells, I don't see where basic genetic modification purely for organ transplants would be different. Plus not everyone believes in God. I'm sure some of the scientists are agnostic or atheist. When I think of modern medicine I think that's already happening. Think of man made pharmaceuticals, incubators, life support machines, surgeries, euthanasia, In Vitro Fertilization, etc. - all ways humans "play God".
I did wonder why pigs are used vs say a preserved human cadaver. I guess the host has to be "live". So then I saw an article that suggested humans in vegetative state as possible hosts. Which seems preferable since there won't be the human/animal issue. But idk. Maybe there is some ethical issue with that too?
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Excuse me but how do you know that this not going to lead to scientists trying to create half man and half animal beings? My post was addressing the both ethics of these experiments. How come these scientists are not using corpses who have donated by science? Why do they need pigs? They are animals and we are humans. We should not cross with them, put our organs into their bodies, try to mate with them, or anything of that nature. Plus, we should not be doing this to plants either.Maybe you can justified genetic engineering animals with human tissue and other "parts"? You might even justified animals and humans mixing their DNA together as part of a great scientific discovery. But I know that experiments like this one will lead down a disturbing path for the scientific community..Also, that is what H.G Wells was talking when he created "Island of Dr. Moreau"...so my post is on point :)
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No one is trying to create weird pig man creatures like from the Island of Moreau, that not the goal of the research, most of the pigs would still basically be pigs, but with some human tissue and cells for research and transplants. Like maybe it's a pig with a human heart that could be used to test heart medication on, you if found to be completely safe, transplanted into humans. But in every other way that matters they'd still be pigs, not sentient pigmen.
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^^ I agree. Earlier today, I thought, the only reasons they aren't sentient pigmen is because the technology/science hasn't reach that level (but like I mentioned earlier in the thread; they want to put 1 cell into every 100 pig cells). This is the beginning. If it's not stop at its roots, then it will eventually lead to the worst.
It's 2017, the first chimera has already been born in the past few months. What can we expect of 2020-2030-2040+, it will eventually lead to beings who realize that they are half-human and half-animal.
And in the Christian world, I know this is like "what-the-hell", do these beings have human souls, original sin? A pig who has a human ancestors.... wouldn't that be enough to declare them as humans...
If a non-asian woman told me (Adriana Lima) she had a great-great ancestor who was Japanese, then hell, she can claim she's Japanese to me. I don't base someones' ancestry on their looks, but the DNA. (extreme caparison, but these pigs have human cells).
And if I was the human, that took the cells from, to give to a pig.... that pig is my off-spring. I don't care, if he's a pig, that's my blood.
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This should be breaking news on CNN. These human-pigs are the first chimeras that exist, it shouldn't be just on stripperweb!
The reason the scientists are dismissing the fact that these pigs are part human is the fact that they aren't capable of speech just yet, or capable of human logic. A lot of humans aren't able to speak, but does that make them less human?? Or the ones who aren't mentally capable to speak for themselves, are they less human??
Being human is having human DNA. These pigs, are part humans, and thus, it's murder in my eyes to kill them just in the name of science after 1 month. Once you have human DNA, you're no longer an animal in my eyes, just because you look like an animal, speak like an animal, but if you're my blood, that's so much different.
It's so wrong.
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can you link to the article of the chimera born past a few months? Im curious to see what it looks like.
I could see sick people participating in beastiality with chimeras. Just gross.