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“They saw themselves, and then on Twitter, as themselves, using their own handles, tweeted out, ‘Oh my God, we’re on Netflix. Oh my God nobody told us. Oh my God, we’re sex workers and they’ve just shown us on Netflix,'” Gradus said. “So the great irony here is that they identified themselves as sex workers. And really that is a key piece of information that has been lost in this story.” She added, “We didn’t know who they were. We never would have known, the viewers never would have known, unless they themselves identified themselves.”
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/hot-...ix-1202404087/
This is a documentary series about sex workers and you show footage of girls in it without their permission and then claim that no one would of know that they were sex workers unless they identify themselves as such? Riiiiiight....anyone who saw and recognized those girls in a documentary of sex workers would never put the two and two together. They would just think that they are some random girls they included.
Grrrrrrrr........someone should make a documentary about how there is a subset of people who are cruel to animals and then randomly add footage of the people who made Hot Girls Wanted into that documentary and the throw their hands up and declare, "Oh well, no one that sees your picture on the tv screen next to people who abuse animals in a series that will be released throughout the world will *really* think you are abusive towards animals unless you specifically out yourself on social media....I mean, what chance could there be that a show that is watched by a huge amount of people all over the world that someone would actually recognize you.......and besides.....fair use!
Just to clarify, I am not saying that they are animal abusers. I'd just like to have them live with the repercussions of someone giving so little thought to the long-term consequences of their actions when it comes to other people's life and reputation. Yes, I know that you take a risk being outed as a camgirl and that you have to take responsibility for being a camgirl in the first place but we can also agree that if someone 'outs' you in a way that shows a total disregard to what happens to someone in real life then those people are assholes.
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I just checked my netflix and two series showed up so Im gonna check it out. Its not something that would normally interest me to watch cause been there done that but Im kind of curious for other reasons.
Personally if someone asked me to be in a documentary (again, i was in one but basically every thing of me was cut out :D ) I would totally do it but then again I dont have kids. I have a friend who sort of ruined his kids high school years cause him and his wife participated in a documentary on their porn star lives (they are German). Their son is all grown up now but I promise you he is still really bitter about it. We all have to be careful not to use our stage names or mention anything sexual around him.
Kudos to any of the girls who did it though. Im sure its interesting to those who arent living this lifestyle 24/7 and honestly anything that brings traffic to you is a good thing in my eyes. Traffic is the name of the game after all!
Come back and let us know what you think. I'm curious to know :)
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I've just read this essay by performer Lorelei Lee related to the whole sorry affair, and not gonna lie, my eyes sting a bit.
https://theestablishment.co/once-you...y-8720910befdc
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"You are not famous. You are an exhibit. But famous people, people with credentials, will, at length, critique your image, the few sentences of your voice that were recorded and edited by someone else. That someone else will be an authority. A “real” filmmaker. A “real” writer. A “real” artist. They will call the person who used your image for their own narrative fearless. They will make claims of shining a light. They will say they’ve explored a subculture. That they’re lifting the veil. People who have viewed these few seconds of tape or this single still image will say they’ve seen your humanity. Lucky you, you’ve been humanized. Prior to this, your humanity was unviewable."
THIS ARTICLE MADE ME CRY. Thank you for sharing
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I've just read this essay by performer Lorelei Lee related to the whole sorry affair, and not gonna lie,
my eyes sting a bit.
https://theestablishment.co/once-you...y-8720910befdc
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"You are not famous. You are an exhibit. But famous people, people with credentials, will, at length, critique your image, the few sentences of your voice that were recorded and edited by someone else. That someone else will be an authority. A “real” filmmaker. A “real” writer. A “real” artist. They will call the person who used your image for their own narrative fearless. They will make claims of shining a light. They will say they’ve explored a subculture. That they’re lifting the veil. People who have viewed these few seconds of tape or this single still image will say they’ve seen your humanity. Lucky you, you’ve been humanized. Prior to this, your humanity was unviewable."
Oh wait are you saying it moved you to tears? I thought you were taking her words literally. As though she thought we were all just things. My mistake.
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That really is a great article. Oddly of all the stuff I can relate to its those winter days when I have to get naked and shoot porn that I hate the most. So much of this is true for me and yet I really do love this work.
Made me realize just how strong women actually are though. We really are strong!
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“They saw themselves, and then on Twitter, as themselves, using their own handles, tweeted out, ‘Oh my God, we’re on Netflix. Oh my God nobody told us. Oh my God, we’re sex workers and they’ve just shown us on Netflix,'” Gradus said. “So the great irony here is that they identified themselves as sex workers. And really that is a key piece of information that has been lost in this story.” She added, “We didn’t know who they were. We never would have known, the viewers never would have known, unless they themselves identified themselves.”
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/hot-...ix-1202404087/
From the same article Asked whether she felt that Elizabeth and Kay may be using their inclusion in the series to grow their profiles as performers, Gradus said, “I don’t think we can make a comment on their intentions. But that’s a fair question that I think the public should think about.”
Even if they are it's a total line of BS when the producers claimed to not know that these two were camgirls when they plucked their content off of periscope in the name of fair use. They created a docuseries about sex and the internet. Why on earth would they run the risk of using minors and jeopardizing the entire project? Because they knew who they were! Liars
https://media.giphy.com/media/TUHInIQM4bXBS/giphy.gif
LOL I gotta go. I feel myself getting worked up and I have too much to get done.
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Oh wait are you saying it moved you to tears? I thought you were taking her words literally. As though she thought we were all just things. My mistake.
LOL That is how I read it at first as well until I saw Ivyadams post that it made her cry :D
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Maaaan.....that article got me all kinds of emotional....and appreciative of my fellow camgirls, here and elsewhere, that I can actually relate to. Fuck. All up in my feelings before hopping on Streamate....fuck
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Maaaan.....that article got me all kinds of emotional....and appreciative of my fellow camgirls, here and elsewhere, that I can actually relate to. Fuck. All up in my feelings before hopping on Streamate....fuck
Just remember we would tell you to take those feelings and use them to help you to hit Streamate like it was a goddamn pinata until all the money it owes you falls out.
It is Us against Them, baby. I have faith in you that you can show them how it is done. :)
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Just remember we would tell you to take those feelings and use them to help you to hit Streamate like it was a goddamn pinata until all the money it owes you falls out.
It is Us against Them, baby. I have faith in you that you can show them how it is done. :)
And thats why I LOVE my fellow camgirls. Let's get it!!!!
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Thank you for that article, DWS! Made me tear up, too. Her mentions of hanging out in sweats after work, attending each other's baby showers, and eating birthday cake together made me wish that our community extended into the physical world a little more. Obviously there are good reasons that it doesn't, but now I have fantasies about one day moving to a large city and having another cam model for a roommate...
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I agree. After reading that article, I wished I knew just one other cam model that I could talk to and maybe hang out with. Camming can be isolating. Someone that can sympathize with the work and the life.
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What part of this do I have to scan to see if I am on there? I work SM and I'm lately middle or bottom of front page so this has me a little worried. I don't really want to watch the whole episode to find this...
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What part of this do I have to scan to see if I am on there? I work SM and I'm lately middle or bottom of front page so this has me a little worried. I don't really want to watch the whole episode to find this...
Cam sites appear a lot on TV for many different shows.
Lisa Ling did one one porn
the documentary I am in has shots of SM, flirt4free, rude they even have shots of one my youtube videos too. good thing I watermarked it to my website.
Then there was one for this documentary I had on my youtube channel for a while that did a segment of 5 sex workers that cam model worked on CAMS.
Cam sites want media attention a lot more then a model does. its just comes with the job.
Then there was the tv series Webdreams. they had 2much.net as their cam site of choice.
Then all the tv show aliens that have a character act like a webcam model, then gigolos has episodes of it. then any documentary of working in a brothel.
Basically think of how long camming has been around since late 90s til now and then figure out how many tv shows, documentaries have wanted to do a story on it or sex work. it will blow your mind trying to figure which could be on which show for any length of time or not.
Then did you know SM actually makes their own late night commercials for tv stations.
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If anyone remembers, its these people that contacted us about a year ago looking for models that would fulfill that nutsy scenario in episode 5. The "producer" just wouldn't hear otherwise when we told her it was a bad idea on a lot of levels and maybe they should come up with a more plausible angle. Go figure they screwed the girl that did it.
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I dont watch anything that has to do with camming bc i know i'll get mad.
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maddiebabe
What part of this do I have to scan to see if I am on there? I work SM and I'm lately middle or bottom of front page so this has me a little worried. I don't really want to watch the whole episode to find this...
Hey girlie, Im gonna watch this this week coming up while Im in Germany and have free time. I will make notes of the times when they show the SM home page and post them here so you and everyone else can check it out.
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If anyone remembers, its these people that contacted us about a year ago looking for models that would fulfill that nutsy scenario in episode 5. The "producer" just wouldn't hear otherwise when we told her it was a bad idea on a lot of levels and maybe they should come up with a more plausible angle. Go figure they screwed the girl that did it.
I've been out of the loop so I just have to clarify....they contacted you to find a model that would meet up with a client? They had the whole model-meets-client scenario in their head from the beginning? O.O
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KatyBoleyn
If anyone remembers, its these people that contacted us about a year ago looking for models that would fulfill that nutsy scenario in episode 5. The "producer" just wouldn't hear otherwise when we told her it was a bad idea on a lot of levels and maybe they should come up with a more plausible angle. Go figure they screwed the girl that did it.
Not just the girl. Sure the guy was a dreamer thinking this was really going to happen in the way that he hoped, but they didn't need to show what they did, which basically make him look a right sad case. I might bitch about customers sometimes but I would NEVER allow one of my guys, especially not one of my best, to be shown up like that!
I've been asked to be In about 5 different documentaries now and said no to every single one. Even if you think it sounds interesting and might give you a bit of fame, it is NOT worth it!
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justanothercamgirl
I've been out of the loop so I just have to clarify....they contacted you to find a model that would meet up with a client? They had the whole model-meets-client scenario in their head from the beginning? O.O
We even put out an email about it I believe, but it was in the beginning of our discussions were we were told "cammodels would get to tell their side of the story", but they did have that entire scenario and they basically needed actors to fill the roles. There were long discussions about how implausible this was and how she'd have a tough time finding someone to make it go down as they envisioned. This isn't documentary filmography any more than Honey Boo Boo.
We do know that some of our models moonlight as escorts (and the less we know, the better), but this was an entirely different scenario.
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Yet another person :/
That shitty 'documentary' scanned over the sm homepage, pretty sure girls agreeing to appear on sm and white labels didnt agree to being on Netflix too :/
omfg are you kidding? thats AWFUL
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Okay as promised I watched this and here are the times where you can check if your showing on the documentary when they scan the streamate home pages.
Episode 4 had one flash @ 4:12 but I think this was a token site or MFC
Episode 5 @ 1:14, 5:40, 6:00, 6.27, 6:36, 7:05, the last was of MFC and it was at 21:04
Episode 4 talks a little about camming and Episode 5 is all about camming and they clearly set up this married cam girl to go meet her fan. The guy is your stereotypical nerd/virgin who is dying to fuck this girl but too sweet to say it and you see her try to convince herself that sleeping with this guy is what he deserves because he has spent so much money on her but what this boils down to is prostitution and she cant go through with it and bows out saying that she is no longer going to take his money cause he is such a great guy and deserves better. :D
I laughed and laughed cause Im a camgirl/pornstar/escort so I would have had zero conflict over taking this guys cash in exchange for sucking his dick but of course I would have made him pay way more then what he put out for this girl. So many girls doing this job want to make believe that this is something less then being a whore but when it comes right down to it thats all we are and watching this girl struggle with that fact made me proud of who I am #nolies #worldsoldestprofession
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Are you watching 'Hot Girls Wanted' on Netflix???
Good day everyone!
Not sure if I'm posting this the right board but.....
Has anyone started watching this season of 'Hot Girls Wanted' on Netflix? The first season was more about a guy flying girls out to LA to shoot porn but this season shows more of a womens pov on sex and our industry.
On the third episode, it talks about camming, getting into the porn industry and you meet a female recruiter who shows a couple of girls the ropes. One thing I loved about this episode was all the marketing tips she shared with the new girls. From selling off clips and photos to having a paid Snapchat account, it was a lot of good advice!
What do you think of the show? Or the topics they discuss?