hustling in a small neighbourhood club HELP !
hello ladies !
i am a dancer in Laval Canada, currently working at a small neighborhood club.I've been dancing for 5 years on and off but i have always had trouble with my hustle, recently i've managed to improve my earnings by approaching more customers, something that i never really did before ( thanks to stripperweb :heartbeat:heartbeat)
but ..the club i work at is very small , not a lot of girls but there is a lot of regulars.. the kind that come to talk to the barmaid or the dj or the bouncer and i always seem to go to them and get rejected or spend 20 mins talking to them but not get any dances out of them because they're not there for that.. how do you spot time wasters ?
also i always seem to lose customers, because when they come in and they sit at the bar , they get a drink and i dont approach them right away i dont want to look pushy.. but i dont know when to go up to them , sometimes after 5 minutes a girl has already approached them and then they go for dances.. when is the right time to go up to a customer if he hasn't been there for very long ?
Thank you so much for your advicee
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It could be your club. Neighborhood clubs tend to have a lot of timewasters and not as much spenders (not that you can't make good money in one, it just tends to be a lot more work for less). Can you find a new club to try? It sounds like you're not even able to get practice hustling in your club, which puts you at a huge disadvantage. Learn how to hustle in a busier club. Busier clubs have slow days, but busier nights, so you generally don't have to worry as much that no one is going to come in, unlike neighborhood clubs. That way, you get to practice both a slower and a more fast-paced hustle.
I learned how to hustle in neighborhood clubs, but working at a bigger club really polished my hustle and has made me a much better hustler much faster simply because there are more people to hustle and practice on.
You spot time wasters by "interviewing" them right off the bat. "Hi, how are you? What brings you out tonight? Are you here to see anyone in particular? Would you like some company? What do you do for work? Let's go dance, I'd love to dance for you." Don't waste your time with anyone who does not answer these questions "correctly" (with indicators of interest, such as, "I'm Jim *staring at you, pulling up a chair for you to sit with him* what's your name?, I'm here to have fun, I've never been here before (bingo), yes please sit with me, I'm work in oil and gas. *tips you for sitting with him without asking* *offers to buy you anything* How much is VIP/ how much are dances?"
A good way to spot a time waster is if his answers are something like, "*scrolling on his phone, not looking at you while you are talking to him*, Hi. Jim. *still not looking at you* Just here for a beer/ the game/ Cinnamon with the huge titties *pointedly not looking at you/ watching TV/ looking at another girl*. I'm unemployed/ just got out of prison today. I'm good on a dance for now. Let's go in a minute *a minute later*, no, let's wait for another song. I don't like this song. No, let's not do this song, let's wait. What do you mean you want me to tip you for your time? *doesn't tip you*" Another way to spot a time waster is if he just ******endlessly starts rambling on about himself****** (this one is huge honestly, I call these guys Therapy Hustlers because they are hustling you by wasting your time and will not tip you or buy dances, they think you work for free and they don;t consider your emotional and mental labor actual labor. I jsut walk away or tell them I need to use the restroom in the middle of their diatribe), asks you no personal questions, doesn't offer to buy you anything, when you bring up dances or the fact that you're working,he acts like you're being rude.
You gotta 1. ask them if they want company. Their answer to this will let you know whether or not they are potential customers for you. And 2. Tell them you want to dance for them. If they say no, or maybe later, leave (and come back if they say later).
The right time to go up to a customer is right when he gets there. The right time to sell a dance is after you've warmed him up a bit. Sometimes this isn't even necessary and you can tell because they are clearly interested, but they have an impatient air about them. These guys are the best. Don't worry about looking pushy. They know what they came in for. They came in for dances with a girl, and that girl could be you. No one goes to the strip club without money to spend on SOMEONE. Just be flirty with them and show interest in them right off the bat, and tell them how much you'd love to dance for them.
The WORST thing that will happen is that they will say no, and be rude about it. And you can handle that. You gotta be fearless of rejection if you're gonna be a good hustler!
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thank you so much for your advice !! i think it definitely is the club, I've tried different clubs in laval but they're all neighborhood clubs and the clients are the same they go from one to the other..
also i feel like it is harder to keep customers because most of these clubs tolerate extras so its hard to keep them buying more dances as a clean dancer...
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Hi Jaz!
I'm in a similar situation as you! I've been working at the same club for 3 years, it's the only club in a 200 mile radius and it's in a small ass town (Eureka, CA)
My club has random nights where you'll come in for your 5 hour shift and make 800$ and random nights when you won't even make your stage fees (Which means you have to pay double next time). For a while I've been really timid and not asking for dances, similar to what you said, but recently I changed this and have been making significantly more money than before.
Everything Babb said I think is absolutely amazing advice and 100% spot on. The only thing I don't do is ask for tips just for sitting with people, but the reason I don't do this is because I'm still harboring some of my timid qualities, not because I in any way don't agree with it!
After you've weeded out the piece of shit time wasters that come there regularly, don't waste any more time on them. The next time you see them, smile politely when you make eye contact and leave it at that. We have a few of those guys in my club and as long as I'm cordial and polite to them, I might make 2$ per month of them, but I NEVER sit and talk to them, and the girls that do still don't make any money.
I try and sit at the bar when I see a new customer come in because that's where they tend to go first. I sit where there's an open seat next to me and if they take another seat, I say hi to them from where I'm sitting then move closer and then open with the questions Babb listed. Act interested, one thing I've started doing is acting like I'm at least somewhat sexually attracted to everyone I talk to because if they think that they're that special someone you're interested in, they'll know that your lap dance with them is going to be way better than a regular lap dance :P A lot of the times I'll even say things like "It's so difficult when guys who are actually pretty sexy come in because it's so hard to contain myself" while I hug them or rub their arm or something. When it's reeeally slow in the club, like...more dancers than customers slow, sitting with someone for 15 minutes may not be the worst thing in the world, especially when you're getting to kind of practice your hustle for the busier nights when you can just hop around getting dances.
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I have worked in 2 really small neighborhood bars, and sitting right at the bar is a great way to catch them before anyone else. Or at the very least, they will see you right away and it looks better than sitting in the corner. Unfortunately, there has been many nights where there are ONLY time wasters in the club, and the only thing to do is hustle them. Sometimes you have to listen to an hour story and then the guy will appreciate your time and take you to private or buy you a drink. or during his story he might get drunk enough to spend money on you. Also, he probably lives close to the bar and will come back and might tip you for a dance on a slow night etc. if you make friends with all the time wasters, a shit night can turn into a good one. and the time wasters can be pretty funny once the ice is broken. the time wasters will also tell their friends about you and bring them into the club. Sometimes they will have friends who love to spend. I really think being nice (within reason) really pays off in the long run in these neighborhood bar/clubs. And of course when it's busy you don't have time to do this, but on the slow nights why the fuck not. A lot of the time wasters have felt that they've been "tricked" or "cheated" by strippers in the past, but still like going to the club. No, it's not fair to us, but there they are, and if you can make a connection with them, it might be a fun and profitable night!
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hey guys!
i definitely find it easier talking to them if im already next to them at the bar , I've gotten a few dances that way this week!!i also stopped drinking at work because i couldn't even work without drinking half a bottle of wine and i feel great,my hustle has improved, no more headaches in the morning and especially, IM MORE FOCUSED!!
But i think its time for me to try a bigger club, the only thing is i get intimidated when there is a lot of girls working especially if they are pretty, i am used to working at cubs where were not more than 10 on a friday night and frankly the girls range from average to ugly. I know i have the potential to work at a better club i look good, i can dance and have great personality.. i went to ottawa not too long ago and we were about 20 on a monday night (most of the girls were pretty) and i made 20$ I went to talk to a few customers but everybody kept rejecting me and i ended up leaving early.. i dont know how to motivate myself to hustle even harder in those situations.. i feel like i lose all my hustling skills lol :(
do you guys have any advice on that ?
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You know I got over getting intimidated by prettier girls in high school before i was ever a stripper...I am actually "ugly" or like I have a big ethnic head lol...( I have a nice proportionate body tho so lol) ...anyway I still got dates before I grew boobs cuz I had to develop a dope personality ... i.e.--
"Looks just get attention they don't make a sell"
Tons of pretty girls don't make money and tons of ugly old fat strippers who even stink a little ALWAYS make money lol ...it's cuz they know that looks just get you in the door but it don't keep you there
So when you're starting feel intimidated like "omg all these girls are so pretty" think yes they are pretty and the managers of this club also thought I was pretty enough to get in the ring with them ...so box it out bro...the Custies just want a beautiful girl and they usually want a fake connection...remember you're there to connect and make the custy feel good and get paid for it...do your job ...that is your JOB, if you stop approaching customers because other girls are pretty you are not doing your job you are not doing what you were hired to do you aren't serving the customers and you aren't going to pay your bills ...and the pretty girls might just be I thinking how pretty YOU are and getting intimidated as well lol....beauty is wildly subjective
The customers EXPECT you to try your game on them against the "pretty", keep that in mind as well
God decides who the "prettiest" girl in the room is , and god gives us the tools to LEARN how to be the most cunning girl in the room as well...use ya brain not ya brawn you feel me
And if you really need to be the hottest girl in the club just to make money and be confident that will constantly be a hindrance to ur hustle cuz new girls turn 18 everyday and they aren't just prettier they are younger lol...even at dives a hot young new thing will come in one day and you won't be the hottest anymore and you can either adapt now or learn the hard way later
Lol sorry I had to chime in on that cuz I been the "ugliest "stripper in the club but cuz I was the most cunning I left the most rich so uh we gotta use the cards we are dealt and then play the game to win
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Also just cuz someone is a perfect ten I'm talking tits, ass, and supermodel face with literally no waste don't mean they give a good dance you feel me....not saying to try to put those girls down but since you are selling YOU ofcourse when YOU'RE working you give the best dance...so say that to Custies like "well darn you're missing out cuz I give the best dance here"( who cares if that's a lie doesn't matter...dance style is subjective too lol)...guys don't get dances from pretty girls sometimes cuz they think they're stuck up and won't grind on them etc. sooo there's ur chance to swoop in ...and you don't gotta give a raunchier dance just SAY to the custy you give the best dance and that's that lol
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Anyway my whole point is the strip club is a game not a beauty contest
You should def look your best
But that's not how you win the game.
that also gives you the perspective to be friends with girls who are "prettier" than you and not hold and resentment toward them....
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Nadia you're 100% right... its not that much about looks but about how you carry yourself..
i have to try a bigger club and just forget about the rest of the girls ! theres gonna be prettier girls uglier girls at the end of the day its like you said '' you gotta use the cards you are dealt and play the game to win'' ( btw this will be my new inspirational quote lol )
Yesterday, this guy who got dances from me last time came to the club. so i go up to him and I'm like ''hey how are you.. wait I've seen you before..blablabla '' he's like yeah i remember you it was so much fun blablabla so we chat for about a song and then I'm like would like to go have some fun he's like i just want to relax for now but yeah later for sure. so i leave tell him ill check on him after a few songs and then i see this girl approaching him she sits with him they start taking shots , they went to smoke and what do i see coming out of the dressing room he's taking the other girl to vip... I'm not hating on the girl,she's super cool and were all there to make money but that kind of behaviour makes me lose my mind. why can't the customer just say not tonight..i find it sooo disrespectful.. if i see him again should i go talk to him should i just ignore him? what are you guys' thoughts on that?
another situation that happened yesterday : this guy was sitting at the bar drinking a beer i ask him if i can sit with him he's like not right now after i finish my beer (weird) I'm like ok so i go back where i was sitting a few seats away from him and as soon as he was finishing his beer this girl came to talk to him and got him to go in the vip. my question is what should you do when they say not right now or let me have another beer, let me finish my beer or any other answer that is confusing. what should i do in these situations ?
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Why are you dancing in Laval? Get a driver and come dance downtown.
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420Jazmyn
another situation that happened yesterday : this guy was sitting at the bar drinking a beer i ask him if i can sit with him he's like not right now after i finish my beer (weird) I'm like ok so i go back where i was sitting a few seats away from him and as soon as he was finishing his beer this girl came to talk to him and got him to go in the vip. my question is what should you do when they say not right now or let me have another beer, let me finish my beer or any other answer that is confusing. what should i do in these situations ?
There are too many girls and not enough customers in your club. Stripping becomes extremely annoying and depressing when a dude acts weird and you can't just say "on to the next customer". You know it's your club, not you, you said so, so try somewhere else.
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There are too many girls and not enough customers in your club. Stripping becomes extremely annoying and depressing when a dude acts weird and you can't just say "on to the next customer". You know it's your club, not you, you said so, so try somewhere else.
i know but where ? Im getting so tired of where i work but I've tried so many places before in montreal and even downtown and it was never better than the ones in laval:-\ do you have any club suggestions ? ( i have a curvy body not skinny or fat just in the middle so preferably somewhere where they like that)
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For friendly clubs that aren't stressful to work at but ppl tell me are busy and I made money at: Kingdom and Karma.
For places that are a little more strict and full of hustlers: Parée and Wanda
never tried downtown because their prices are too cheap I refuse though they tell me its good because it's on St. Cat's.
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babb
Another way to spot a time waster is if he just ******endlessly starts rambling on about himself****** (this one is huge honestly, I call these guys Therapy Hustlers because they are hustling you by wasting your time and will not tip you or buy dances, they think you work for free and they don;t consider your emotional and mental labor actual labor. I jsut walk away or tell them I need to use the restroom in the middle of their diatribe), asks you no personal questions, doesn't offer to buy you anything, when you bring up dances or the fact that you're working,he acts like you're being rude.
OMG these are the worst of all customers we see!!! But I'll offer that their slightly less insane but no less annoying cousin is the dude who seems at first like a good potential in their interest and engagement - then proceeds to monopolize the convo by asking a million questions that are not at all sexy and steering away from all dance related questions. I'm talking to this mofo for one song!?! If he asks what do I do for fun after answering a million q's about my dog and my high school and my SATs- and I say stripping for money is fun- I wanna strip for money now- and he looks at me offended - then fuck you you're a nasty energy vampire and I dont want to work that hard for a dollar.
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vanessa_mtl
For friendly clubs that aren't stressful to work at but ppl tell me are busy and I made money at: Kingdom and Karma.
For places that are a little more strict and full of hustlers: Parée and Wanda
never tried downtown because their prices are too cheap I refuse though they tell me its good because it's on St. Cat's.
i heard kingdom is good too I've been to kama about 5 years ago i didn't really like it but i will definitely try kingdom soon thank you for your suggestions!