Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
idk, i think it's just a site geared toward very conventional looking girls and guys who are into that. all the top models look the same. rarely do i see an older woman or a bbw or anything different or unique when i scan the first few rows of models. like someone said they've built a brand around a certain type of look and by now they know their target audience and don't want to scare those people away.
i don't think changing the rules would hurt them that much, but what do i know. i would def vote for them to allow trans models but i don't find it shocking they have that rule in place still and doubt they will change it any time soon
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
Agreed but Trans topics should not bother anyone at all especially those in the sex work industry.
If it does than we need to talk more about it.
I haven't seen any ignorant comments yet to be made so that's a good thing. It gets me high when people are uneasy with Trans because I'm #extra ;D
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And regardless of where this thread is 'going', I dont see an issue with there being a safe space for trans camgirls to discuss issues like this. If its bothersome to someone, there are a ton of other threads they can visit. Ya'll get to rant about any site you want and get support, so I don't exactly get why we cant do the same in a specific situation. Its a sensitive topic and I think that attempts at reversal of blame and shoulder-shrugging is insensitive.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
Personally, I believe that trans models should be allowed on MFC. But of course they are bigots and seems to fall into that whole only cis white thin young women need to be apart of their business model.Also, I was never an fan of their business model overall. Anyways, I believe that transwomen have to right to vent about this or any other site that does not want to hire them. Just my two cents.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
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They just help further perpetuate the idea that trans women aren't seen as women.
Ding ding ding! Bingo. MFC doesn't believe that trans women are actually women. (They also apparently don't believe that cis women over 45 are women? Ooookay.)
This policy is the reason I haven't tried MFC. I don't work with businesses whose "women-only" policies don't include all women.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
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DancesWithSloths
Ding ding ding! Bingo. MFC doesn't believe that trans women are actually women. (They also apparently don't believe that cis women over 45 are women? Ooookay.)
This policy is the reason I haven't tried MFC. I don't work with businesses whose "women-only" policies don't include all women.
Thank you. Right on the money.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
Now imagine if Nordstrom, Macy's, Saks, etc were to say we don't hire Trans, people of certain skin color, men, women over a certain age/weight.
We hire only cisgender/biological white thin young women...
How would that go over? What would we call them? Bigots, Transphobic, racist and all of that so how is MFC different from that?!
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DonaDiabla
Personally, I believe that trans models should be allowed on MFC. But of course they are bigots and seems to fall into that whole only cis white thin young women need to be apart of their business model.Also, I was never an fan of their business model overall. Anyways, I believe that transwomen have to right to vent about this or any other site that does not want to hire them. Just my two cents.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
There is another forum full of "cuties" whose name started with an "A", who would not allows trans cam models to view or post in the "models only" section for quite some time. It's since been changed, but if you go back and read the posts about it, some pretty vile things were said. I won't go in to the details, those of you that have been around a while will know what I am talking about.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
And I say fuck 'em!
It doesn't surprise me but some cisgender female sex workers can be some of the most Transphobic people when you would think they should know better because of the stigma that comes with doing sex work as there's a lot more stigma when it comes to being Trans. It's sad when people who are stigmatized and marginalized want to extend that onto others.
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JenniTS
There is another forum full of "cuties" whose name started with an "A", who would not allows trans cam models to view or post in the "models only" section for quite some time. It's since been changed, but if you go back and read the posts about it, some pretty vile things were said. I won't go in to the details, those of you that have been around a while will know what I am talking about.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
You know when I first saw this I almost merged it with the other MFC thread, but realized it may need it's own conversation. I didn't want it to get buried among random questions. I can empathize with the situation but in no way am I an expert on trans issues, therefore I'm gonna keep quiet and pay attention. Nor will I try to shut the conversation down. (Unless people are rude) IME whenever someone tries to shut down these type of conversations it's usually because they're coming from a very privileged position and the thought of losing that spot worries them. Or they simply "..know not what they do." So in that case we all need to be a little more patient for the sake of the discussion. So far I'm loving it.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
Agreed, I think its important (for obvious reasons) that we be able to talk and share and learn. Its crazy to me, as Marina said, that even in a field where we are already marginalized, trans girls are often seen as the bottom rung on the ladder. And, for a lot of us, we have to work twice as hard for half the pay. At one time I just shrugged it off as us being a 'niche', but....in my time camming I have seen more and more that attraction to us is more norm than people want to speak. Would I be great at MFC? Probably not. I wasnt great at Chaturbate and private based sites seems to be my sweet spot, but....I'd like the option at least. It's not like we are gonna' get on there with beards and balloons shoved in a bra and try to pass ourselves off as women and ruin the image they have built their client base on....we ARE women. Different maybe, but we are women nonetheless. And seeing as MFC has lost their view-count race to Chaturbate, I'd think it would be wise for them to loosen the reigns a little bit and expand their customer base. Whether that ever happens or not, I just want to know that my cam-sisters on here support me just as much as i support them, and hearing people make excuses for bigotry just stings, especially in this tiny bubble of a world we all occupy.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
It was brought up elsewhere on another forum, however, who decides who is who? Is it simply "gender identification" that makes somebody trans? This is a visual business, and a very superficial one at that, no matter which side of the camera you are on. So if a trans girl looks good, and cute, and feminine, does she qualify? But some "manly" looking person does not?
I am seriously wanting to hear opinions on this, it is an interesting topic to me that is related to the current discussion.
And yes I shave my legs and pits, and do my makeup and hair nice, etc., and present a decent feminine appearance on cam. But go troll Chaturbate and see what else is going on.... :P
I honestly don't have an opinion on how you classify people or if you even should, just wanted to hear other people's take.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
I'm willing to identify anyone as what they want to be identified as. Period. If a 6 foot tall linebacker wants to be identified as a goat, then im gonna call him a goat and try to feed him some grass. As you mentioned, though, we work in a very visual field. Yes, personality and presentation and business-savvy dominates over appearance, but....appearance is a HUGE part of it and we all know what jackasses men can be and are. If you want to play the game, then you have to cater to your clients, you have to tickle their libido. Yes, Bob can come home at night after his office job and throw on a nightie and a wig and too much makeup and he can get on cam as Susan...but Bob can't expect to reach the same level or the same clientele as Mary, who has spent years on hormones, meticulously curating a certain image of femininity. There is a fine line. I'm not judging anybody like imaginary Bob, in this job i have no room to judge anyone, but this is a business and you have to keep your expectations real. Now, do i think Bob should 'qualify' for MFC? Well....yes. I do. But I'm coming from a biased opinion already, so maybe mine isnt the most clear headed. But if its image that sites like MFC is worried about.....honey, some of these trans girls look like goddamn supermodels.
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
I have observed how the sites operate, also, and I am convinced that if nobody is looking at your room, nothing is being broadcast. I am sure they are not dumb enough to not have some kind of algorithm to manage their bandwidth usage if nobody is watching. So, therefore, it pretty much would cost them nothing to let anybody cam as whatever they feel like. Just manage the appearance of the landing page.
So my thoughts are to let the free market work it out. If your theoretical "Bob" had a following and was making bank what does the site care? Then again I am pretty Libertarian about shit. If the model is not attractive and/or has no game, boot 'em when their time in paid chat sucks or whatever.....
By the same token, forgive the pun, they are free to do what they like with their private business. However, they are missing out on what is no longer a "niche" but a HUGE part of their market. And if guys don't want to see that they do not have to click the category.
And yeah Dahlia I thought I did ok until I saw the other, more successful ladies out there! Amazing..... Lots of supermodel types....
Re: Why does MyFreeCams not allow transgender models?
I feel like I'm preaching to the choir here but the surplus of men that like Trans are astronomical. They are from all walks from life and professions from doctors, lawyers, teachers, pastors... you fucking name it.
There are many kinds of women as there are many kinds of men and many men desire many kinds of women-trans women included. PERIOD. THE END.
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DahliaSimone
Agreed, I think its important (for obvious reasons) that we be able to talk and share and learn. Its crazy to me, as Marina said, that even in a field where we are already marginalized, trans girls are often seen as the bottom rung on the ladder. And, for a lot of us, we have to work twice as hard for half the pay. At one time I just shrugged it off as us being a 'niche', but....in my time camming I have seen more and more that attraction to us is more norm than people want to speak. Would I be great at MFC? Probably not. I wasnt great at Chaturbate and private based sites seems to be my sweet spot, but....I'd like the option at least. It's not like we are gonna' get on there with beards and balloons shoved in a bra and try to pass ourselves off as women and ruin the image they have built their client base on....we ARE women. Different maybe, but we are women nonetheless. And seeing as MFC has lost their view-count race to Chaturbate, I'd think it would be wise for them to loosen the reigns a little bit and expand their customer base. Whether that ever happens or not, I just want to know that my cam-sisters on here support me just as much as i support them, and hearing people make excuses for bigotry just stings, especially in this tiny bubble of a world we all occupy.