All dancers to be classified as employees in CA
Supposedly every club is supposed to be in compliance by January 1st, but the Rhino and the Vu are sitting on their hands and hoping the state doesn’t really enforce anything. Does anyone have any articles that are linked to this and the class action lawsuit that brought it about? All I’m hearing is word of mouth from managers, if they have their info right this is a HUGE deal and I really don’t see how a lot of the clubs will be able to stay afloat.
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The original lawsuit that changed the law was against the delivery company dynamex. Their drivers sued them for treating them like employees but paying them as independent contractors. The court said “ businesses must show that the worker is free from the control and direction of the employer; performs work that is outside the hirer's core business; and customarily engages in "an independently established trade, occupation or business." Ostensibly this would force Uber lyft postmates and probably most strip clubs (unless they could prove their main business was alcohol sales) to switch their contractors over to employees. What that looks like is anyone’s guess. I know that all of those apps have been lobbying the state w all their $$$ to try and change the law since they really don’t want to make their contractors employees either. I’d imagine that’s what the managers are waiting on.
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Gotta love the People's Republic of Commiefornia.
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tempest666
Gotta love the People's Republic of Commiefornia.
What? Don't hate lol.
Honestly this is a good thing. Just IMO
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SnuffleUffleGrass
What? Don't hate lol.
Honestly this is a good thing. Just IMO
The general consensus that I've heard among California dancers in my Facebook groups is that the house always wins. Now even more so.
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Honestly money has been really stagnant for clubs and dancers in CA for decades, even with extras and God knows what else available at the club. Hate to say it but bars in CA should have some government oversight to answer to.....
Oh well. "So it goes...."
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tempest666
The general consensus that I've heard among California dancers in my Facebook groups is that the house always wins. Now even more so.
Nothing is in our favor here in California. It's more of a suck it up until you get a career because it's brutal. Constantly hear girls say I had a good night and they made 200 or 300 bucks....unless they managed to schmooze a regular who tips generously...or the extras factor. Heard one girl sharing a bed with her roommate here as her living situation. I'm sorry, but if I was getting naked for a living and having to endure that, this ain't it.
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indiegirl
Nothing is in our favor here in California. It's more of a suck it up until you get a career because it's brutal.
Every industry is brutal in that state. Even the Silicon Valley companies started rolling up the carpets right after the Tech Boom petered out.
I love my home state but it is truly a "Death By Taxes" place.
When rich people are fleeing a state...that's how you know that place is full to the brim!
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SnuffleUffleGrass
What? Don't hate lol.
Honestly this is a good thing. Just IMO
If you get to keep the money you earn for dances, maybe. It could be the strip club version of Massage Envy, where the club sells and gets paid for your time, not you. You get a minimum wage paycheck and maybe get to keep some of your tips. Do you really think the average strip club is going to be generous enough to let you keep more than they legally have to? Especially a corporate club?
It also means that you can get fired for not selling enough dances, missing a shift, missing a stage or refusing service to a customer. It means that you'll now have IRS evidence that you're a stripper. It means that your outfits, shoes, etc are going to be supplied by or subject to corporate uniform rules. Hopefully the latter because having to wear potentially used thong is fucking disgusting.
Taking away IC status is a potential disaster.
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kirakonstantin
If you get to keep the money you earn for dances, maybe. It could be the strip club version of Massage Envy, where the club sells and gets paid for your time, not you. You get a minimum wage paycheck and maybe get to keep some of your tips. Do you really think the average strip club is going to be generous enough to let you keep more than they legally have to? Especially a corporate club?
It also means that you can get fired for not selling enough dances, missing a shift, missing a stage or refusing service to a customer. It means that you'll now have IRS evidence that you're a stripper. It means that your outfits, shoes, etc are going to be supplied by or subject to corporate uniform rules. Hopefully the latter because having to wear potentially used thong is fucking disgusting.
Taking away IC status is a potential disaster.
Most of the major corporate chains trip clubs offer either employee status or provisional 1099. It's really up to the individual dancer in each case.
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SnuffleUffleGrass
Most of the major corporate chains trip clubs offer either employee status or provisional 1099. It's really up to the individual dancer in each case.
How many dancers choose employee status? We have a club here that does the same and spells out what being an employee means. It's not something that most dancers would EVER want.
Tempest is right. The house always wins and this makes it easier.
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Someone posted a memo from her club in CA. She said the club will keep 60% of your earnings if you make up to $400 and anything abovr that they will keep 40%. If anyone here thinks that description of employee status equates to “a good thing” for strippers, I will fall over dead.
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Pinksugardoll
Someone posted a memo from her club in CA. She said the club will keep 60% of your earnings if you make up to $400 and anything abovr that they will keep 40%. If anyone here thinks that description of employee status equates to “a good thing” for strippers, I will fall over dead.
If dancers are making $200-300 per night, as mentioned earlier, that's $80-120 per night take home for dancers.
I predict that neighboring states will be seeing a flood of California refugees soon. There's no way I could survive on that in Arizona, which is WAY less expensive than California. And to then have to pay taxes on that pittance! I don't see how these clubs will stay open.
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kirakonstantin
If dancers are making $200-300 per night, as mentioned earlier, that's $80-120 per night take home for dancers.
I predict that neighboring states will be seeing a flood of California refugees soon. There's no way I could survive on that in Arizona, which is WAY less expensive than California. And to then have to pay taxes on that pittance! I don't see how these clubs will stay open.
Oh the clubs will be fine.
CA already went through this with the first major lawsuit directed at a sex business/strip club. The clubs survived.
I don't want to offend anyone further so I will leave this topic alone.
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^^ I agree, there will always be someone who needs the work, needs the money, and doesn’t know that ‘it wasn’t like this before’ so they will be unaffected by these rules. I met some girls in Sapphire last night who are from Gold Club in SF, which is the same club that the girl who posted the memo I was talking about works in, they said they don’t really care and are still making good money so it’s fine. I agree with you—but—I just think that not everyone thinks the employee/independent contractor conundrum through...I was in dallas earlier this year and I literally got a nail in my knee at the club. Would I rather pay (as an independent contractor) the $120 to an urgent care for a tetanus shot and keep the full $800 I made that day, or would I rather (as an employee) have access to health insurance benefits from my club (that I still pay $300 a month for), pay a co pay on my Dr visit, and leave the club with $400 for the day.
I can still get better insurance with my $800 as an independent contractor than I can get with a $400 take home. I just do not see the where benefits to us to work as employees outweighs the benefits of working as independent contractors.
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^^ Maybe and it's a big maybe. Changing IC's to employees is a really big deal. There's a lot of hassle and expense that goes into hiring and keeping employees that most people don't know about.
The club now has to add every dancer to payroll, so both the company and the dancer are being taxed on their income.
Given the laws governing health insurance, clubs that have more than 1,500 man hours per month on the books are required to offer employer sponsored health insurance, which is extremely expensive. The average cost is around $6400 per year for a single employee. Those with families are much more.
There's also various forms of business insurance that will now be much more expensive. Liability for a contractor is much different than liability for an employee. Someone will likely need to be hired to administrate all of this too.
I can't see how any club will be able to have a large roster of dancers anymore, just given the health insurance mandates. My tiny club has 20-30 dancers working every week. Sometimes more. To provide health insurance to just the dancers, many of whom have children and would be more expensive to insure, would cost $128,000- 192,000 per year. My club would easily shut down because there just isn't enough money going around to cover that kind of cost. Corporate clubs might be able to weather it but will likely he horrible to work for.
I'm sure that dancers will be found and they'll manage to make money. Given that there's more of an urgency to making money, I wonder how much of that money will be made providing services other than dancing. And how long that will go on before the government steps in.
The only entity that stands to win here is the government, who now has access to all of the under the table money that they're never been able to tax before.
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The new structure at one of my clubs (a Deja VU) is so much worse I am beside myself.
You are out of your mind if you think the club is going to take a hit for dancers. Your wages (and then some) are coming straight out of your dance sales. I've heard quotas from 120 to as high as 200 per shift. They take all of that to cover you minimum wage and payroll taxes. THEN the club takes their 30/40% of whats leftover.
THEN your taxes are withheld.
Then you wait for your paycheck. You walk out with whatever you made in tips.
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Independently owned clubs may implement this differently but to the detriment of dancers, I have no doubt.
Update your resumes.
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anyone working? how bad is it? is there a glimmer of hope for any1 still interested in dancing n california?
my friend works in socal. gets paid hourly, 100$ house fee. 5.5 hours x 12 minus the 100 dollar house fee equals about 35$....
which is not completely absurd. the cost of the dances has also gone up.
its a weird thing to deal with but maybe w/ sum getting used to not all is lost.. (she herself is saying it's not THAT bad). of course having 2 schedule is annoying. mind u she calls off a lot lol
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A fucking house fee is being taken out of a dancers minimum wage paycheck?
I've officially heard it all.
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kirakonstantin
A fucking house fee is being taken out of a dancers minimum wage paycheck?
I've officially heard it all.
Not really.... I just kind of used that to show the difference between the "quota" (which mathematically or w/e can be equivalent to a house fee) and the minimum wage...
my friends club doesn't have a quota, but still requires a house fee.
some have no house fees and but have a quota.
either way , what I'm hearing is that this is illegal wage theft.
I've found lots of info via
https://www.instagram.com/soldiers.of.pole/
if we all educate ourselves these clubs won't be able to take advantage of us..