California Dancers talking Strike on the main forum
Yes the changes are bad, but Im not sure striking it what you truly desire to happen.
For one thing strikes are created when you have unions, and unions mean you have meetings and pay dues and elect spokeswomen in this case to present your case to a club owner.
Now first two problems you will have.
Dancers do not like to spend money on anything that doesnt directly benefit them. So paying dues to a group that may or may not be of any help I personally cannot see that happening.
Secondly, you are not fighting the clubs, your enemy in this case is the state of california. and Strikes and unions will get exactly not one blink of an eye if you create a union and strike. The clubs will simply shut down and become something else and the State will look at that as a Hey we finally got rid of strip clubs and all we had to do was make dancers employees.
no violation of constitutional rights, no violation of civil rights. Dancers would create their own model for destruction. Any state who is hardcore with their laws, they will see California as their godsend and pass the same laws, to make the dancers quit.
Then the country will have maybe 15 states of 50 with clubs left, all because jumping to quick assumptions and not letting anyone have a chance to streamline the employee process let the people who could care less if there is Adult Entertainment in their state win.
So before you jump about being fair and fees are so unheard of, and how you will simply sell lesser rooms to keep money from the clubs, think about what your doing. If you dont have a fall back in place, you will simply be digging your own hole.
Give the clubs a chance to have time to work out the best way to handle things. Another thing to remember, you can quit or strike or unionize, and there are other girls who will simply take your place.
Re: California Dancers talking Strike on the main forum
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Re: California Dancers talking Strike on the main forum
Interesting perspective. As somebody who is a club manager, do you have any insight as to why California is the way it is?
For example, I’m originally from an area (Central Texas) where there is less likely to be a “blurred line” as an IC in the first place. There is no scheduling. House fees just simply increase in price the later you come in. I can and have started my shift at a club three hours before closing in the past. There is also lower fees—and dance cuts are not a thing. Granted, the trade off is that we dancers have to fight harder against customers when enforcing floor rules. (Manager/bouncers don’t really circulate) Which leads to the dirtier reputation of the clubs out here and Texas in general. But there’s still plenty of non-extras club options. In several of the clubs out here, we are also allowed to leave the club whenever we wish as well.
I do think from a dancer angle, there are pros and cons. The pros are obvious—freedom. The cons are greater dancer saturation on some shifts and also higher contact between customers and dancers.
I assume there is something about California that makes it more worth their while to take on dancers as employees officially, as opposed to just simply changing their structure to make it more “independent contractor like” But I don’t know why exactly that is. What do you think?
Re: California Dancers talking Strike on the main forum
from what reports have come out, from both sides of the coin, small clubs are barely surviving, due to the fact that they may have a great location but just cannot foot the additional cost of what each girl now represents. The larger chains simply have set sales quotas and keep the girls who meet and exceed the level set, anyone who cannot hit that mark, become like car salesmen who can never sell a car, or a pinch hitter in baseball who can never hit the ball.
Now the biggest thing i have noticed recent is though the dynamax decision is in place, its not a real law as yet. That is what is being voted on this year that AB5 that ive read about. I think its in the dancers best interest to get everyone they can to vote down AB5 and remove that mandatory abc test unless of course part of it leaves dancing as being a carved out exception to the rule.
ive never worked the california market, but ive visited with friends of mine, and it was never the same feel as other states or sections of the country. Not sure if that was the hollywood influence for LA or the Hipster vibe for the bay area. My buddies always said thats just how cali is. It just never had that same ambiance as the midwest or the east coast. But that is just me.