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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
moneybags
Victoms of abuse reacting to years of oppression is not the same as people who have been in power inciting violence to maintain power.
Similarly, a women shooting her husband after years of domestic violence is reacting to abuse not the perpetrator.
Anyways, the riots are crazy. Who knew this would happen? (Please note sarcasm.) I rarely watch the news, so I was caught off guard when it popped up on my news feed.
Yes it is ! Some of you folks who condone BLM and Anti-Fa and their ilk amaze me. You seriously do not see how the tables can be easily turned ? How this kind of violence can be used to justify additional repression ? Taken a good look at Hong Kong lately ? Reviewed your American History and read what the FBI and other police organizations did in the 60's and 70's ?
Now you and the Dems are all clutching your pearls and wringing your hands over an inexcusable riot. Where were you over the summer when BLM and Anti-Fa were running rampant ? Been to Portland lately ?
Protests and demonstrations are fine. The First Amendment guarantees the right to PEACEABLY assemble. Not to riot and loot. Regardless of who is doing it or what their supposed grievances are .
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Elektra Luxx
It wasn't BLM that set fire to anything, it was rioters and looters using the gatherings of peaceful BLM protesters for their own ends. But the BLM protesters could have justified burning cities because they were protesting an inequality of how laws are enforced when a person is black and that is real matter. The Trump supporters were stirred up to a frenzy by Trump for two months over a false voter fraud claim.
You know it's a false voter fraud claim and you're defending the Trump supporters actions. Is that really who you are?
More bullshit. READ BLM's own stuff. They are Marxist revolutionaries. Any tactic is fine with them so long as it leads to power.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
miss.a.p1600
I think what fucked up by the whole debacle was the lack of security at the capitol.
Government knew those groups of people would show up (and would be acting like unhinged madmen - Remember how crazed they were protesting the mask orders) and only a handful of police officers were present.
It wasn’t till several HOURS later (AFTER the damage already done) that National Guards deployed
Trumps bitch ass quick to deploy NG for states well in advance of BLM but it took fucking Mike Pence to call them to the capitol cause Trump is somewhere in the cut orgasming off the chaos he created.
Here we agree. The Capitol Police were outnumbered. Their Chief resigned because inter alia he turned down offers of additional help before the riot.
To be clear, I hold Trump responsible for this. He appeared at a rally with his useful idiot Giuliani and LIED to these people. He LOST the election. The few proven irregularities ; a few corpses voting here ; a few unregistered voters there ; etc. etc. NONE of it changes the documented and CERTIFIED results . Trump hates to lose BUT he refuses to accept that defeat is a part of politics .So many more people showed up for his rallies than for Biden's and he can't understand how he lost. Duh ! Because more people voted for the dotard than for him.
Even though Impeachment is a clumsy tool that really doesn't fit and the 25th Amendment is totally inapplicable, I do wish Trump would just pack up and go. NOW ! Don't wait for the 20th. Just get out. Let Pence turn over the keys and host the Bidens for coffee. Trump has just said he won't attend the Inauguration. GOOD ! I can't imagine Biden would want him there.
Trump's statements on Wednesday were pathetic and his statement yesterday was too little too late.
The worst part is I think he is going to stay involved in politics. I hope and pray the Republicans throw him overboard.
Worst of all , his pathetic meddling in Georgia probably cost the Republicans the Senate.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
jasmine22
I can’t wait until things finally calm down and we have some peace and sense of normality in this country. This doesn’t even feel like the USA anymore
It's going to be a LONG wait Jasmine. Don't hold your breath.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
eagle2
At least a dozen of President Donald Trump's supporters are expected to be charged in connection with the invasion of the U.S. Capitol as Congress certified Joe Biden's election win.
Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen said federal prosecutors had been working overnight to identify suspects involved in storming the Capitol after a Trump rally outside the White House, and some individuals could be charged as soon as Thursday, reported ABC News.
Read more:
https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-2649782106/
Good ! Throw the book at em.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
miss.a.p1600
Good. The more the merrier.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Raziel
I don't know if this is the time to resign. Only like 14 days left in this idiot's term? Somebody has to keep control. Or this shit'll happen again.
I think this is time to mobilize the Military for the next two weeks.
Um. You might want to rethink doing that. Trump is still the C in C. Unfortunately.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
kamiliam
https://www.policemag.com/342098/the...sidential-poll
According to Policemag poll of nearly 4000 of their subscribers, 84% of them supported Trump in 2016. Too early for 2020 numbers but I doubt they would differ that much.
This day is all ceremonial, Joe Biden was going to be our president without this. They also did it after it started which is all you technically need if you are an originalist. Trump shouldn’t have been allowed to hold a rally and then incite a riot
WHO was going to stop him ? Who ? How ?
It was up to Trump to tell his supporters the truth. Gracefully concede. Regroup and rethink. But Noooooooo ! His ego wouldn't permit it.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
Any tactic is fine with them so long as it leads to power.
Does that sound familiar to you? And didn't you just post this?
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
You seriously do not see how the tables can be easily turned?
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Raziel
kamiliam, they just said on the news that if you are impeached, you cannot run for office again. Not even for Dog Catcher. It was on MSNBC. Take that for what its worth, I don't know if she knows what she's talking about. But the process can extend till after he leaves office.
Because they have to dumb it down for the median American. People use "impeach" and "impeached and convicted in the Senate" synonymously when there's a distinction. And if convicted, they may choose to hold another vote about disqualifying them from holding federal office again. From Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 of the Constitution:
"Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law."
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
dpacrkk
Does that sound familiar to you? And didn't you just post this?
What part didn't you get ?
BLM's own writings spell out their ideology and their acceptance of violence ; in fact their advocacy of violence. Anti-Fa is even worse. BLM at least has an objective. Anti-Fa is violent just to be violent.
If it's OK for leftists to riot , loot and otherwise be violent then there are plenty of folks on the right chomping at the bit to crack heads. Is THAT what you want ? Read up on Weimar Germany ? We want political street fighting ?
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
What part didn't you get ?
BLM's own writings spell out their ideology and their acceptance of violence ; in fact their advocacy of violence. Anti-Fa is even worse. BLM at least has an objective. Anti-Fa is violent just to be violent.
If it's OK for leftists to riot , loot and otherwise be violent then there are plenty of folks on the right chomping at the bit to crack heads. Is THAT what you want ? Read up on Weimar Germany ? We want political street fighting ?
The point.
Your head.
So let's try again. People on all sides do anything to gain or hold onto power. Yet, I have never read a post composed by you that was opposed to neocons and moderates pandering to populist factions, sometimes making complete 180° turns, to stay in power.
What part didn't you get ? (And I still don't know why there's a space between "get" and the question mark). You seriously do not see how the tables can be easily turned?
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
kamiliam
so you do know that we don’t just impeach presidents right? From an political science professor in an opinion piece of why he should be removed.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...mpression=true
also pundits are not necessarily educated, they are entertainment
In 1862, a federal judge named West Hughes Humphreys was impeached by the House. When it came time for the Senate to pronounce judgement, the body determined that the decisions of whether to remove and whether to disqualify were separable. The Senate first voted by two-thirds majority to convict and remove Humphreys, and then took a second vote, under a simple majority requirement, to disqualify him from future federal office.
Hey, I'm just telling you what this newslady said. I don't know which witch is which. She said he can't run for anything again and nobody challenged her. Not that it matters, he only has 12 days left anyway.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
Um. You might want to rethink doing that. Trump is still the C in C. Unfortunately.
The Military does not have to follow his orders. It is their duty to disobey an unjust order. Besides that, they hate him.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
WHO was going to stop him ? Who ? How ?
It was up to Trump to tell his supporters the truth. Gracefully concede. Regroup and rethink. But Noooooooo ! His ego wouldn't permit it.
It probably would have been helpful if the chief of Capitol police didn’t turn down backup(that they had available) or if they didn’t give into other off duty police officers flashing their badges. Or if they didn’t take selfie’s. Or if they didn’t hug the terrorists as they tore down barriers. All of this has been documented if you could remove yourself from your red scare and anti left bias.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
dpacrkk
The point.
Your head.
So let's try again. People on all sides do anything to gain or hold onto power. Yet, I have never read a post composed by you that was opposed to neocons and moderates pandering to populist factions, sometimes making complete 180° turns, to stay in power.
What part didn't you get ? (And I still don't know why there's a space between "get" and the question mark). You seriously do not see how the tables can be easily turned?
When have I ever advocated , excused or condoned violence ? Never. Not once. In the last four years we have seen a lot more organized political violence from the left than from the right. Almost all right wing political events started out as and stayed peaceful. ALL of Trump's rallies were peaceful. At the last one he told them to go to the Capitol PEACEFULLY. Even though doing so had no legitimate or useful objective. When the violence broke out his statement was pathetically lukewarm. Instead of trying to enlist them to go on to the next fight, Trump continued with the LIE that the election was stolen . His statements , Lin Wood's and Sidney Powell's told Georgia voters their votes wouldn't count. Enough of them stayed home to flip the Senate.
Trump is a polarizing figure and his positions engender genuine hatred for him and his supporters. Reagan knew how to turn such animus aside and not let it get to him. So did Bill Clinton for the most part. Hillary and Trump never even tried. More's the pity.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
kamiliam
It probably would have been helpful if the chief of Capitol police didn’t turn down backup(that they had available) or if they didn’t give into other off duty police officers flashing their badges. Or if they didn’t take selfie’s. Or if they didn’t hug the terrorists as they tore down barriers. All of this has been documented if you could remove yourself from your red scare and anti left bias.
I have heard and seen the reports. Have they been confirmed ? Is there video ?
There are also UNCONFIRMED reports that AntiFa activists infiltrated and caused or incited some of the violence. So let's be careful with the accusations unless and until there is evidence.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
More bullshit. READ BLM's own stuff. They are Marxist revolutionaries. Any tactic is fine with them so long as it leads to power.
There is no evidence that the people rioting and looting were associated with BLM. Here's their website:
https://blacklivesmatter.com/
Please show me where on their website they're advocating Marxist revolution. I don't seem to be able to find it. The protests against racism and the killing of unarmed blacks by police were overwhelmingly peaceful.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ul/5325737002/
In some cases, white supremacists infiltrated BLM protests to instigate violence.
https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2...-lives-matter/
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
There are also UNCONFIRMED reports that AntiFa activists infiltrated and caused or incited some of the violence. So let's be careful with the accusations unless and until there is evidence.
This was not fucking Antifa, get the fuck outta here. First of all Antifa is NOT a group, it's a bunch of little groups. I haven't heard ANYTHING about Antifa involved in this. You're just gonna have to get used to the idea that this was YOUR dudes that did this. Antifa, my ass! Show me some evidence, otherwise it's just baseless claims.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
I have heard and seen the reports. Have they been confirmed ? Is there video ?
There are also UNCONFIRMED reports that AntiFa activists infiltrated and caused or incited some of the violence. So let's be careful with the accusations unless and until there is evidence.
For the hug and selfies yes. The badge and lack of backup are from informants and first hand accounts
Also these are the racist right wing terrorists they have been doing right wing stuff on the internet for a long time. These are the “fa” btw https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-home-dad.html picked a right wing friendly source for you
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
There are also UNCONFIRMED reports that AntiFa activists infiltrated and caused or incited some of the violence. So let's be careful with the accusations unless and until there is evidence.
No there aren't. Only crazy right-wing conspiracy theories.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
eagle2
No there aren't. Only crazy right-wing conspiracy theories.
Come. Come. Let's not get bogged down with sophistry. I said UNCONFIRMED and I mentioned it to show the difference between reportage and pure speculation.
I can remember when the Dems tried to blame Rush Limbaugh for the Oklahoma City bombing; the N.Y. Times editorial blaming Sarah Palin for the shooting of Gabby Giffords and how some of us pointed out that Bernie Sanders was not responsible for the shooting of Steve Scalise .
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
kamiliam
For the hug and selfies yes. The badge and lack of backup are from informants and first hand accounts
Also these are the racist right wing terrorists they have been doing right wing stuff on the internet for a long time. These are the “fa” btw
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-home-dad.html picked a right wing friendly source for you
Where is the confirmation ? You may be right btw. The Chief and two of his officers resigned.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
I said UNCONFIRMED and I mentioned it to show the difference between reportage and pure speculation.
Yes, because they weren't there. Trump threw a fit on stage and they all ran to the Capitol Building and tore the place up. Damned right it's Unconfirmed, that's because it didn't happen. Antifa didn't have time.
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Re: Rioters storm Capital Building in DC
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Originally Posted by
eagle2
I have READ their stuff. I have read the bios of their founders. They are admitted and committed MARXISTS .
How did so called white supremacists instigate looting and arson ? How many have been arrested ? Indicted ? Convicted ?
News reports are NOT proof of anything. Especially given how often the media gets it WRONG !
You are correct that most protesters were peaceful and law abiding. The problem is that the looting and violence was not condemned by those who remained peaceful and law abiding. It was excused by Dems and the media. Look at what Chris Cuomo and AOC said about the RIOTERS . Not the protesters. The rioters and the looters.
Ironically there was far more legitimacy to the BLM protests than the Trump-Maga D.C. rally. In its simplest terms the Trumpies were protesting the legitimate results of a legitimate election. I don't know what they thought they would or could accomplish by demonstrating in the first place. Their attack on the Capitol succeeded in wiping out Trump's last Congressional support and permanently damaging his legacy and the cause of America First.
Nixon publicly said he conceded to JFK in 1960 for the sake of the country. Maybe , but I think the REAL reason he did it was to preserve his political viability. He was only 47 at the time. Gore fought IN THE COURTS until the SCOTUS ruled as they did and then he gracefully conceded. Even Hillary conceded. Afaic Trump smeared himself with his own feces by not following several historical examples of proper behavior after his legal challenges all failed.