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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
WHO are the racists and fascists that you claim are occupying positions of power ? That promote racist policies ? Please name them.
Here's a list of the 14 characteristics of fascism:
https://www.bremertonschools.org/cms...m%20slides.pdf
Every one of them applies to Trump.
I'm not going to take the time to list all of the racist policies of the current administrations (until Jan. 20), and their party, but for the past 2 1/2 months, Trump and his party have been targeting four cities, accusing them of massive voter fraud, and engaging in a massive effort to have their votes discarded. Coincidentally, all of these cities have large populations of African-Americans. Over the past 150 years, one of the main strategies used by racists and white supremacists, for oppressing people of color, has been to deny them the right to vote.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
Right. Got it. Trump is a racist, a fascist , a Nazi and maybe even a Flat Earther.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
kamiliam
self created is a really interesting term. What do you mean?
because if you believe that there is something genetically about black people or any other minority that predisposes them for a more difficult position-that is racist, and completely not proven by science.
if you believe that those groups have it worse off because of education disparities(which some how you blame on teachers unions?), and I’ll add redlining, black people being denied loans, white flight from cities, the increase in jailing following the civil war, un-proportional police violence and arrest, well those are examples of systematic racism. Which is what BLM is fighting against. Or maybe it is all those damn unions fault. But again not self created, interested to see what you meant.
I did NOT say that. That was a cheap shot and you know it ! By "self created" I simply meant that certain actions and behaviors have consequences.
Dropping out of high school is a virtual guarantee of a lifetime of poverty.
So is having a criminal record. But who was it that tried to have Criminal Justice Reform recognizing inter alia that blacks , especially young blacks are saddled with criminal records for mostly non-violent drug crimes ? Come on , who was it ? That's right ,that crypto racist , closet Klan member Donald Trump. Obama didn't do anything like it. Bush the Dim certainly didn't. I don't think Bill Clinton did anything like it. In fact, he and Biden ( while he was in the Senate) doubled down on criminal penalties for Federal drug crimes.
The easiest way to guarantee yourself and YOUR CHILDREN a lifetime of poverty is single motherhood ; OK , single parenthood although single fathers are relatively rare.
All of the above are individual choices , usually made in the teen years, when the science tells us the brain is not fully developed, especially the part that is able to understand and appreciate FUTURE consequences for PRESENT behavior.
It is NOT Trump or Republicans or Conservatives who are telling kids to drop out. It is not they are are telling them to deal drugs nor are they tomcattin around the country impregnating teenage women.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
eagle2
I'm not sure which statements you're referring to, but I doubt very much that anyone who was watching Cuomo or AOC, or following them on Twitter, heard or read a statement from one of them, and based on that statement, decided to go out and loot a store or burn down a building. Trump makes incendiary statements all the time, knowing very well, that there is a good chance it will lead to violence. This has already happened many times, yet Trump continues to do it. At best he doesn't care. People who were with him during the rioting in DC, said he was delighted to see people rioting for him, and couldn't understand why others weren't.
The protests over the summer happened spontaneously, after millions of Americans saw a black man in handcuffs, brutally murdered by a police officer. There was some rioting and looting by people who were outraged at what happened, and there were others who took advantage of the situation and looted some stores, but most of the protests were peaceful.
The rioting in DC last week was entirely about Trump's repeated lies about the election being stolen. The intent of every person at the Capitol Building was to commit violence. Trump is the one who asked his supporters to all come to DC on Jan. 6 to "stop the steal" and protest the election results, and who held the rally, where he and other prominent supporters and family, gave one incendiary speech after another, before telling the crowd to march to the Capitol Building. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what Trump was doing and what his intent was.
Enough. You're right. I'm wrong. Trump is solely responsible for all our cares and woes. Thank God we have Pelosi and Biden who will clean up the mess in record time and lead us all to those broad, sunlit uplands of peace , prosperity and good health.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
Right. Got it. Trump is a racist, a fascist , a Nazi and maybe even a Flat Earther.
You refuse to see Trump for who he is. It seems 45% of Americans have this mistaken belief that Trump is a normal man who is tough and smart, and just happens to be politically incorrect, rather than the stupid, racist, narcissistic sociopath that he actually is. I think people have this mistaken belief about him because they see big buildings with his name on it, and he says he's a great deal maker and has lots of money.
Please look at my link and tell me which characteristic of a fascist, Trump doesn't have.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
Trump is an Idiot. You didn't pay attention to him before he was President, he was out there for like 40 years! As long as I've been ALIVE! How about all those dudes in New York that think this dude's a fucking moron and won't do any business with him because he doesn't pay his fucking bills? Or at least he has blinders on. It's well known their opinion of them. He is despised in New York.
Why do you think he lives in Florida?
ETA: FOR NOW. Soon it might be RUSSIA! His neighbors hate him, and he signed a contract to NOT live in Mara Lago (Or however you spell it).
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
eagle2
You refuse to see Trump for who he is. It seems 45% of Americans have this mistaken belief that Trump is a normal man who is tough and smart, and just happens to be politically incorrect, rather than the stupid, racist, narcissistic sociopath that he actually is. I think people have this mistaken belief about him because they see big buildings with his name on it, and he says he's a great deal maker and has lots of money.
Please look at my link and tell me which characteristic of a fascist, Trump doesn't have.
Do I have to ? Re-read my posts Eagle. I have agreed to so many negatives about Trump already. I don't like him and never did. There are so many legitimate critiques of him that I don't need to reach and call him a fascist. It is not Trump who wants thought police to vet political opinions for truth and accuracy. It is AOC and Dorsey. Read their latest statements from yesterday. Both are talking about purging conservatives from Twitter and other outlets. Trump is leaving office in five days. Our institutions are intact. There have not been any Nuremberg Laws . We still have a free press. Heavily biased towards folks who think like you. We did detention facilities but there is no comparison between those and fascist facilities in Nazi Germany or Franco's Spain after his victory in the Spanish Civil War. He hasn't assassinated any political enemies. Trump has never spoken about re-education for his opponents. Lots of liberal pundits including Eugene Robinson have advocated that and deprogramming for 75 million Trump supporters.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
eagle2
Here's a list of the 14 characteristics of fascism:
https://www.bremertonschools.org/cms...m%20slides.pdf
Every one of them applies to Trump.
I'm not going to take the time to list all of the racist policies of the current administrations (until Jan. 20), and their party, but for the past 2 1/2 months, Trump and his party have been targeting four cities, accusing them of massive voter fraud, and engaging in a massive effort to have their votes discarded. Coincidentally, all of these cities have large populations of African-Americans. Over the past 150 years, one of the main strategies used by racists and white supremacists, for oppressing people of color, has been to deny them the right to vote.
I have read your list. Talk about a softball.
1. I'll agree with to you on the sloganeering and some symbolism. So what ? Your Nationalist is somebody else's Patriot. Btw, what 's wrong with Make America Great Again ? You don't want the U.S. to be great ? You want us to kowtow to China ?
2. We haven't had any widespread torture and no assassinations under Trump. Unless you include Arab and Iranian terrorists.
3. Trump has attacked Libs, socialists and terrorists. With other and better ideas. Not with violence.
4. Military spending as a % of GDP continues to decline. Trump has avoided new wars and has withdrawn thousands of troops from foreign deployments.
5. Trump has had many female appointees. Title IX has not been repealed. No action taken on divorce or homosexuality. In fact , several Trump appointees are openly gay.
6.ROTFLMAO ! Are you serious ? That has to be the most factually deficient accusation you have ever levelled against Trump. He controls the media ??? He has been sparring with them ever since he came down the escalator in 2015. He has also been the most press accessible Pres. since JFK .
7. No obsession with National Security except for border control and anti-terrorist efforts. Which if those do you oppose ? Would you rather have more terrorist attacks in the U.S. ?
8. I don't get this one at all. EVERY President attends prayer breakfasts , goes to church etc. Other than that what has Trump done to promote a theocracy ? The First Amendment remains in full force and effect.
9. Trump has battled Big Tech , Big Pharma and other corporations . He has battled crony capitalism.
10. No unions have been banned or suppressed. Public employee unions are as strong as ever.
11. Wtf are you talking about ? What attack on the arts ? On intellectuals. The media is full of anti-Trump intellectuals. The bookstores are full of anti-Trump books. The newspapers are full of Anti-Trump editorials. So is the Internet. Where can I find evidence and examples of suppression ?
12. I have already pointed out Trump's attempts at criminal justice reform. There hasn't even been a crackdown on rioting or prosecution of Anti-Fa or BLM under Trump.
13. Cronyism and corruption ? No worse than other Presidents and politicians.
14. ROTFLMAO again ! Fraudulent elections ? Trump lost. Manipulated media ? Always anti-Trump. Assassinations ? None here in the U.S. Who or what did you have in mind ?
Trump LOST. The Republicans LOST the House in 2018.
I'm sorry but this didn't even pass the giggle test.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
Do I have to ? Re-read my posts Eagle. I have agreed to so many negatives about Trump already. I don't like him and never did. There are so many legitimate critiques of him that I don't need to reach and call him a fascist. It is not Trump who wants thought police to vet political opinions for truth and accuracy. It is AOC and Dorsey. Read their latest statements from yesterday. Both are talking about purging conservatives from Twitter and other outlets. Trump is leaving office in five days. Our institutions are intact. There have not been any Nuremberg Laws . We still have a free press. Heavily biased towards folks who think like you. We did detention facilities but there is no comparison between those and fascist facilities in Nazi Germany or Franco's pain after his victory in the Spanish Civil War. He hasn't assassinated any political enemies. Trump has never spoken about re-education for his opponents. Lots of liberal pundits including Eugene Robinson have advocated that and deprogramming for 75 million Trump supporters.
The reason why we don't currently have a fascist dictatorship, similar to Franco's Spain or other fascist dictatorships, is not because Trump loves and is devoted to our democracy and our Constitution, but because unlike 1930s Spain, we have a strong system of checks and balances that Trump was not able to overcome. From day one, Trump wanted to jail his political opponents. It wasn't just a motto at his rallies. He asked Jeff Sessions to jail Hillary Clinton. On many occasions he called for Clinton, Obama, and Biden to be arrested. Michael Cohen was told by Trump's DOJ that he would be jailed for parole violations unless he agreed to not publish a book about Trump. He was only able to avoid jail because a judge overruled the DOJ. For the past two months, Trump has been making an all out effort to overturn the results of the election, and remain in power after losing. We've already heard his efforts to pressure Georgia's SoS to give him more votes. There was so much concern that Trump would try to attempt a coup using the military, that every single living former Secretary of Defense signed a statement saying Biden was the legitimate winner of a legal and fair election. All eight generals on the Joint Chief of Staff signed a similar statement. This was never done before. I'm not saying Trump is a fascist dictator. I'm saying that is his goal and he was not able to achieve it, because of our system of checks and balances, and because there are people in positions of power who have refused to break the law for Trump, and who put their loyalty to the Constitution above their loyalty to Trump.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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eagle2
The reason why we don't currently have a fascist dictatorship, similar to Franco's Spain or other fascist dictatorships, is not because Trump loves and is devoted to our democracy and our Constitution, but because unlike 1930s Spain, we have a strong system of checks and balances that Trump was not able to overcome. From day one, Trump wanted to jail his political opponents. It wasn't just a motto at his rallies. He asked Jeff Sessions to jail Hillary Clinton. On many occasions he called for Clinton, Obama, and Biden to be arrested. Michael Cohen was told by Trump's DOJ that he would be jailed for parole violations unless he agreed to not publish a book about Trump. He was only able to avoid jail because a judge overruled the DOJ. For the past two months, Trump has been making an all out effort to overturn the results of the election, and remain in power after losing. We've already heard his efforts to pressure Georgia's SoS to give him more votes. There was so much concern that Trump would try to attempt a coup using the military, that every single living former Secretary of Defense signed a statement saying Biden was the legitimate winner of a legal and fair election. All eight generals on the Joint Chief of Staff signed a similar statement. This was never done before. I'm not saying Trump is a fascist dictator. I'm saying that is his goal and he was not able to achieve it, because of our system of checks and balances, and because there are people in positions of power who have refused to break the law for Trump, and who put their loyalty to the Constitution above their loyalty to Trump.
There are a few kernels of truth amid the breathless hyperbole. He did listen to "lock her up " chants against Hillary at his rallies. He did tell her he would jail her at one of their debates. So what ? The game is called POLITICS !I think she broke the law too. I don't recall similar chants about Obama. There may have been some against Biden. There were certainly some against Hunter. So what ? Within hours of Trump taking office the Washington Post started an Impeach Trump effort.
We are in agreement that AFTER it was clear that the 2020 Election was not rigged , wasn't stolen and that Trump had no evidence of enough law breaking to overturn a single state's vote totals that he ought to have conceded and moved on. He didn't. I have already explained how some of his post-election attempted interference constitute grounds for Impeachment. Too little too late for the haters and Never Trumpers but the calendar says what it does.
As far as an attempted coup , there were steps taken to prevent one but NO Evidence, Zero , Zip , Nada that Trump was planning or tried to execute anything of the sort.
As you saw with the wave of resignations after the Capitol was attacked and the 10 Republicans who voted to impeach a LOT of government people stayed true to their oaths.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
I did NOT say that. That was a cheap shot and you know it ! By "self created" I simply meant that certain actions and behaviors have consequences.
Dropping out if high school is a virtual guarantee of a lifetime of poverty.
So is having a criminal record. But who was it that tried to have Criminal Justice Reform recognizing inter alia that blacks , especially young blacks are saddled with criminal records for mostly non-violent drug crimes ? Come on , who was it ? That's right ,that crypto racist , closet Klan member Donald Trump. Obama didn't do anything like it. Bush the Dim certainly didn't. I don't think Bill Clinton did anything like it. In fact, he and Biden ( while he was in the Senate) doubled down on criminal penalties for Federal drug crimes.
The easiest way to guarantee yourself and YOUR CHILDREN a lifetime of poverty is single motherhood ; OK , single parenthood although single fathers are relatively rare.
All of the above are individual choices , usually made in the teen years, when the science tells us the brain is not fully developed, especially the part that is able to understand and appreciate FUTURE consequences for PRESENT behavior.
It is NOT Trump or Republicans or Conservatives who are telling kids to drop out. It is not they are are telling them to deal drugs nor are they tomcattin around the country impregnating teenage women.
I was simply asking for clarification. You ignored the whole part of my post which referenced the point of systematic racism. If you make a claim that one group of people have it worse, there will always be a cause. Do you wish to have a difficult life? Most people wouldn’t want hardship, so if you do not take the position that a group is naturally prone to what you determine to be subpar conditions what is the reason? Not all those things I listed? That didn’t happen in ancient history. A private community in the neighborhood I grew up in wouldn’t let black people live there up until the 90s. We were also known to have great schools, my own progressive parents did their own white flight for the schools. The Democratic Party played a huge role in this unjust system, I never claimed otherwise.
I am not saying you need to take the blame of these policies, but you need to think about your cognitive dissonance. And how we need to take a honest assessment of our issues. You have been making excuse after excuse for Trump and believe acknowledging that he did a bad thing is the end of this. By doing that you are ignoring what lead him to do the one bad thing. The enablers and the system built up on racism to get him to this point.
this could be a cheap shot though... I think it fair though
Why is Rush so powerful and why do you trust him when you have these ideas of education and criminality?
he has no formal education on anything he talks about? He came from a good family that encouraged his pipe dream of being a radio guy from a young age. He had well connected family and strong roots, he was given a chance to succeed. Does every group have that?
then there are the 2000 pain pills and the forged prescriptions? Is he not at the level of criminality because he could pay for the trial? Is that a fair justice system when you can buy your way out of things?
not to mention that he has been married 4 times and there were other women, at least they weren’t teenagers though
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These are very difficult times, so I've been allowing way more political discussion than we are supposed to. Thank you all for trying to remain respectful to each other.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
kamiliam
I was simply asking for clarification. You ignored the whole part of my post which referenced the point of systematic racism. If you make a claim that one group of people have it worse, there will always be a cause. Do you wish to have a difficult life? Most people wouldn’t want hardship, so if you do not take the position that a group is naturally prone to what you determine to be subpar conditions what is the reason? Not all those things I listed? That didn’t happen in ancient history. A private community in the neighborhood I grew up in wouldn’t let black people live there up until the 90s. We were also known to have great schools, my own progressive parents did their own white flight for the schools. The Democratic Party played a huge role in this unjust system, I never claimed otherwise.
I am not saying you need to take the blame of these policies, but you need to think about your cognitive dissonance. And how we need to take a honest assessment of our issues. You have been making excuse after excuse for Trump and believe acknowledging that he did a bad thing is the end of this. By doing that you are ignoring what lead him to do the one bad thing. The enablers and the system built up on racism to get him to this point.
this could be a cheap shot though... I think it fair though
Why is Rush so powerful and why do you trust him when you have these ideas of education and criminality?
he has no formal education on anything he talks about? He came from a good family that encouraged his pipe dream of being a radio guy from a young age. He had well connected family and strong roots, he was given a chance to succeed. Does every group have that?
then there are the 2000 pain pills and the forged prescriptions? Is he not at the level of criminality because he could pay for the trial? Is that a fair justice system when you can buy your way out of things?
not to mention that he has been married 4 times and there were other women, at least they weren’t teenagers though
I am sorry but I do not see the systematic racism that you do. Isolated instances of racist behavior ( George Floyd etc. ) YES ! Some government policies have disparate impacts without any negative intent. In order to be actionable, any racist effect has to be INTENTIONAL .
I see more racism in the low expectations that Libs. have for Black people i.e." they can't do anything for themselves and need the Government ( i.e. us Libs ) to survive ". Who has done more to perpetuate lousy schools ( and incompetent teachers ) than the NEA , AFT and other teacher unions ? I strongly recommend you read a current book " The Color Of Law ". It details how Federal housing policy has perpetuated racial segregation. That wasn't the private sector. It was GOVERNMENT !
I don't know why you brought up Limbaugh and his supposed "power". I agree with him on some things and disagree with him on others.
Neither he nor I authored the studies I referred to. Both analyzed the same issue : Why are people poor ?. The first study came to the conclusions I laid out . I think it was the Princeton study. It caused so much consternation in Liberal and academic circles that Yale did a "do-over" study and came to the same conclusion. People in the U.S. , REGARDLESS of their RACE are poor because they drop out of high school and /or get a criminal record and/or have children out of wedlock and get married too young. Like it or not , there are a lot of poor people who happen to be white. And they are so primarily because they have engaged in the negative behaviors outlined in those studies.
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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
I am sorry but I do not see the systematic racism that you do. Isolated instances of racist behavior ( George Floyd etc. ) YES ! Some government policies have disparate impacts without any negative intent. In order to be actionable, any racist effect has to be INTENTIONAL .
I see more racism in the low expectations that Libs. have for Black people i.e." they can't do anything for themselves and need the Government ( i.e. us Libs ) to survive ". Who has done more to perpetuate lousy schools ( and incompetent teachers ) than the NEA , AFT and other teacher unions ? I strongly recommend you read a current book " The Color Of Law ". It details how Federal housing policy has perpetuated racial segregation. That wasn't the private sector. It was GOVERNMENT !
I don't know why you brought up Limbaugh and his supposed "power". I agree with him on some things and disagree with him on others.
Neither he nor I authored the studies I referred to. Both analyzed the same issue : Why are people poor ?. The first study came to the conclusions I laid out . I think it was the Princeton study. It caused so much consternation in Liberal and academic circles that Yale did a "do-over" study and came to the same conclusion. People in the U.S. , REGARDLESS of their RACE are poor because they drop out of high school and /or get a criminal record and/or have children out of wedlock and get married too young. Like it or not , there are a lot of poor people who happen to be white. And they are so primarily because they have engaged in the negative behaviors outlined in those studies.
Just because you don't experience systematic racism doesn't mean that it doesn't exist on a regular basis for those who DO experience it.
Those incidents are not isolated.
The 'isolated' incidents just happen to occur while someone is filming
You're blending two issues that are separate - systematic racism/oppression vs. people who are lazy on purpose/abuse the system - two totally different topics
With respect to 'intention' - the days of people parading the streets with nooses n KKK memorabilia in public are over, most racists are slick with it now and it's done subtly/covertly for example when extremist groups pay people in power.
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Eric Stoner
I am sorry but I do not see the systematic racism that you do.
A guy leaning on George Floyd's neck for NINE MINUTES??? You don't see that as systematic racism? How long can you hold your breath? The guy had to have known he was going to kill him, unless he was a complete idiot! NOBODY can hold their breath for nine minutes. What you do is wrap the dude up, get him in the car, and drive him to the station. You do not kill him over a 20$ counterfit bill. That is NOT a death sentence, this dude was helpless.
Why do African Americans CONSTANTLY get killed by cops?
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Sadly the good cops have it hard because of the rogue cops. If I were a cop I would have roughed a lot of people - but then again I would know my limitations n if I hated certain groups of people, I would not work with them. Better yet I wouldn't work as a cop because I'd most likely be dispatched to those areas - but the rogue cops n the supremacists thrive off the power they get in that position.
There should be a way to remove the rogue government officials n rogue police officers BEFORE they even get into positions of power
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How do we even know George KNEW that that bill was counterfit? He sure as fuck can't tell us! All he could say was "I CAN'T BREATHE" and call out for his mother!
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And Breonna Taylor, that one kills me. They just BARGE in and start shooting, her boyfriend (quite logically) shoots back. They didn't even announce themselves, say "we're Cops", Fuck, some dude comes in my home shooting, I'd shoot back too! She took NINE bullets, ASLEEP. What the fuck danger was she? And it turns out she didn't even know the dude they were looking for! DEAD! Systematic racism.
Look, man, sure, Black Folks have their criminals. They aren't Angels sent from Heaven anymore than White Folks are. Cops gotta stop the crooks, but you can't just mow your way through innocent people!
And don't even get me started on Trayvon Martin or Mike Brown (Whom was killed literally within a five minute drive from me)!
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miss.a.p1600
Just because you don't experience systematic racism doesn't mean that it doesn't exist on a regular basis for those who DO experience it.
Those incidents are not isolated.
The 'isolated' incidents just happen to occur while someone is filming
You're blending two issues that are separate - systematic racism/oppression vs. people who are lazy on purpose/abuse the system - two totally different topics
With respect to 'intention' - the days of people parading the streets with nooses n KKK memorabilia in public are over, most racists are slick with it now and it's done subtly/covertly for example when extremist groups pay people in power.
Let's try to find common ground if we can. What do you mean by "Systematic Racism " ? Racism , I know what that it is. There is certainly too much of it. A little would be too much. But what do you mean by "systematic" ? Meaning ORGANIZED. Or even "systemic " ? Meaning INHERENT .
In order for racism to be actionable , at law , there has to be intent to discriminate OR violation of the Civil Rights Laws.
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Raziel
A guy leaning on George Floyd's neck for NINE MINUTES??? You don't see that as systematic racism? How long can you hold your breath? The guy had to have known he was going to kill him, unless he was a complete idiot! NOBODY can hold their breath for nine minutes. What you do is wrap the dude up, get him in the car, and drive him to the station. You do not kill him over a 20$ counterfit bill. That is NOT a death sentence, this dude was helpless.
Why do African Americans CONSTANTLY get killed by cops?
NO. I see it as a brutal, probably racist act by one stupid cop with the acquiescence of 3 other dummies who were also cops. Although, as I ( ME , this guy ) pointed out in previous posts, the history of the Minneapolis Police is NOT a good one. They have a very powerful police union and a series of gutless politicians who let a lot of brutality and racist behavior by their police go unpunished in the past. Ironically in one of the most Liberal cities in this country.
Because African Americans do not routinely get killed by cops. Fortunately it is not a routine occurrence. Sometimes it is unjustified and thus criminal. Sometimes it is motivated , at least in part , by racism. The statistics bear me out on this.
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Raziel
And Breonna Taylor, that one kills me. They just BARGE in and start shooting, her boyfriend (quite logically) shoots back. They didn't even announce themselves, say "we're Cops", Fuck, some dude comes in my home shooting, I'd shoot back too! She took NINE bullets, ASLEEP. What the fuck danger was she? And it turns out she didn't even know the dude they were looking for! DEAD! Systematic racism.
Look, man, sure, Black Folks have their criminals. They aren't Angels sent from Heaven anymore than White Folks are. Cops gotta stop the crooks, but you can't just mow your way through innocent people!
And don't even get me started on Trayvon Martin or Mike Brown (Whom was killed literally within a five minute drive from me)!
At least four Louisville police officers involved have been fired. One is facing prosecution. It was a clear clusterfuck and screw up. Racist ? Hmmmm. Maybe.
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How do they pump NINE BULLETS into a sleeping woman? None of this makes any sense. They clearly didn't see her as Human, apparently. NINE bullets?
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Eric Stoner
At least four Louisville police officers involved have been fired. One is facing prosecution. It was a clear clusterfuck and screw up. Racist ? Hmmmm. Maybe.
Fired. So these idiots can just move to another department. They need to be imprisoned. The guy they were looking for WASN'T FUCKING THERE. So she died for nothing.
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Raziel
How do they pump NINE BULLETS into a sleeping woman? None of this makes any sense. They clearly didn't see her as Human, apparently. NINE bullets?
Fired. So these idiots can just move to another department. They need to be imprisoned. The guy they were looking for WASN'T FUCKING THERE. So she died for nothing.
Stupidity coupled with the fact that Breonna's boyfriend shot at them . While tragic and a good example of sloppy police work it is not the cut and dried example of brutality and maybe even racism that you seem to think it is.
One of them is facing prosecution. I doubt the others will be hired by any other Police Department.
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Yeah, he shot at them because they kicked his door in and didn't say "HEY, WE'RE COPS!." What part of that do you not understand? I'd have thought they were home invaders and shot back at them in an instant. They were NOT in uniform.
These guy are too stupid to be Cops.
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Eric Stoner
I doubt the others will be hired by any other Police Department.
Bet me. They always get hired again. I think you're being naive.
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Eric Stoner
Let's try to find common ground if we can. What do you mean by "Systematic Racism " ? Racism , I know what that it is. There is certainly too much of it. A little would be too much. But what do you mean by "systematic" ? Meaning ORGANIZED. Or even "systemic " ? Meaning INHERENT .
In order for racism to be actionable , at law , there has to be intent to discriminate OR violation of the Civil Rights Laws.
This is what I mean by systematic racism https://www.thoughtco.com/systemic-racism-3026565
Definition of Systemic Racism
Developed by sociologist Joe Feagin, systemic racism is a popular way of explaining, within the social sciences and humanities, the significance of race and racism both historically and in today's world.....
.....Within a racist society, White people enjoy many privileges denied to POC. Among these is the way that vested group interests among powerful White people and “ordinary Whites" allow White people to benefit from their racial identity without even identifying it as such. This manifests in support among White people for White political candidates, and for laws and political and economic policies that work to reproduce a social system that is racist and has racist outcomes. For example, White people as a majority have historically opposed or eliminated diversity-increasing programs within education and jobs, and ethnic studies courses that better represent the racial history and reality of the U.S. In cases like these, White people in power and ordinary White people have suggested that programs like these are "hostile" or examples of "reverse racism." In fact, the way White people wield political power in the protection of their interests and at the expense of others, without ever claiming to do so, maintains and reproduces a racist society."
.....In the U.S., White people hold most positions of power. A look at the membership of Congress, the leadership of colleges and universities, and the top management of corporations makes this clear......
....historical documentation that the costs and burdens of racism are disproportionately borne by people of color and by Black people especially. Having to bear these unjust costs and burdens is a core aspect of systemic racism. These include shorter life spans, limited income and wealth potential, impacted family structure as a result of mass incarceration of Black and Latino people, limited access to educational resources and political participation, state-sanctioned killing by police, and the psychological, emotional, and community tolls of living with less, and being seen as “less than." POC are also expected by White people to bear the burden of explaining, proving, and fixing racism, though it is, in fact, White people who are primarily responsible for perpetrating and perpetuating it.
....White elites, often unconsciously, work to perpetuate systemic racism via politics, law, educational institutions, the economy, and racist representations and the underrepresentation of people of color in mass media. This is also known as white supremacy. For this reason, it is important that the public hold White elites accountable for combatting racism and fostering equality. It is equally important that those who hold positions of power within society reflect the racial diversity of the U.S.
.....Racist ideology often asserts that white people are superior to people of color for biological or cultural reasons, and manifests in stereotypes, prejudices, and popular myths and beliefs. These typically include positive images of whiteness in contrast to negative images associated with people of color, such as civility versus brutishness, chaste and pure versus hyper-sexualized, and intelligent and driven versus stupid and lazy.
.....Feagin's theory and all of the research he and many other social scientists have conducted over 100 years illustrate that racism is in fact built into the foundation of U.S. society and that it has over time come to infuse all aspects of it. It is present in our laws, our politics, our economy; in our social institutions; and in how we think and act, whether consciously or subconsciously. It's all around us and inside of us, and for this reason, resistance to racism must also be everywhere if we are to combat it.