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Re: Congressmen Helped Stop The Steal founder Ali Alexander
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Eric Stoner
No. Sorry. You missed my point entirely. Asians in this country have had to deal with racism. Often just as vicious and violent as that faced by blacks. Often supported by law.
Did I post otherwise? I specifically added that they still do. And their success despite this doesn't make it right.
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Eric Stoner
That was then and today Asian Americans are outperforming all other groups academically. How ? Why ? It's NOT just Chinese or Japanese. It's Koreans , Indians , Thais , Malaysians, Filipinos and Pakistanis just to name the leading groups.
There is a lot more to societal success than just academia and STEM jobs. Unless they include medicine , nursing and health care. There is also a LOT of entrepreneurship and business ownership in the Asian communities. THAT generates upward mobility and wealth creation more than any other factor .
That is where the black community has lagged behind and where more emphasis ought to be place imho.
Again, it's cultural differences, they "still hold or are influenced by traditional values of their respective cultures," borne from coming to the US under different circumstances. Add to that, more willingness to assimilate. But "people are products of their environments. Give it some more generations with their descendants growing up in the US, and those traditional mores will shift to more American ones and we'll see similar outcomes."
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Raziel
Now it's thirty one... In a three page thread...
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Raziel
Count my posts, buddy.
Congratulations, you found a thread where you have fewer posts than someone else. So I guess it's time for you to Google "selection bias."
Regardless of how often Eric Stoner posts, each post at least contributes to the discussion. And we can generally have non-confrontational meaningful discourse regardless of if we agree or not.
What is the contribution of posting "Now it's thirty one... In a three page thread..." ? Does it support or disprove any points whatsoever? Or when you continually post nothing relevant while telling us you don't have time to post because you're a busy writer (if that's even true; I doubt any writer would mix up "absorbent" and "exorbitant" when describing seafood prices)?
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That's for my editor to deal with.
And I'm not even that busy. I just do other stuff.
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Eric Stoner
You should be ashamed of yourself. I NEVER posted anything remotely resembling that kind of garbage and YOU KNOW IT ! Please repost anything from me that says or implies that black people are "lazy". I think quite the contrary. A lot of black people work two jobs just to survive. Likewise for "victimhood " although many Black leaders blame the state of the Black Community solely on racism. It is they who conveniently ignore many other factors.
Who bears ultimate responsibility for out of wedlock births ? I didn't say unplanned . You did.
Why are their schools so shitty ? Who is in charge of them ? It is NOT the black community. It is local government working hand in glove with the Teacher's unions. They decide to assign the worst teachers to the worst schools. Charter Schools like KIPP ; Geoffrey Canada's Harlem Improvement Zone and Eva Moskowitz's schools all outperform the public schools at a fraction of the course. So do the Catholic schools.
I am not in favor of censoring anything. If people want to make or listen to Rap music that's fine with me. I think it's a great way to provide employment to those who as Barry White said : " can't sing , write music or play an instrument " lol. Just kidding.
I was noting the lack of community shame for certain behaviors. I know, I know , the world is a different place now than it was during the Harlem Renaissance . Maybe that was a net negative. But there ought to be ways to encourage positives like work , faith and family and discourage out of wedlock births, dropping out and going to jail.
Yes. I’m just as ashamed as you felt insinuating I said all white people are evil and should automatically feel white guilt n pay reparations. (Although I may send you an invoice for reparations for reading your long/incessant posts lol)
You also have some problem with out of wedlock births - which I get if your religion is against that sort of thing. But just so you know it’s not necessarily just oow births that can lead to poverty it’s moreso becoming a single parent before one is financially ready.
This can happen whether a person is married or not.
People die n leave no life insurance and people divorce which means ..... single parenthood.
Also a woman can marry a broke ass dude who impregnates her multiple times meaning a married couple now with more kids they can afford.
So yeah there are multiple scenarios where kids can drive people into poverty and it’s not just black unwed mothers
The black community as a whole does not glorify explicit rap music. Mostly more religious type, older, and/or upper class black people who prefer not to listen to explicit rap music. Even if people do listen to it they (IMO) would be wise to see it as a form of entertainment only not something to mimic one’s lifestyle after (unless they’re able to handle that kind of lifestyle which most people are not)
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Actually I'm a recovering Catholic with serious doubts about stuff like Christ's divinity etc. Religion does not enter the picture afaic. Secondly, considering all the single mothers I've dated (and helped raise their kids )I think it is fair to say that I do not judge.
You just said it yourself : "Becoming a single parent before one is financially ready." I have nothing against single mothers . My father died when I was six. My mother's second husband was a spendthrift alcoholic she had to divorce and I ultimately turned out rather well despite all that. My mother struggled and I worked my ass off. I WAS able to go to relatively good public schools and a good college. I WAS able to get good paying jobs in high school and college that helped pay the bills.
Again, I am being deliberately misunderstood. I merely pointed out that dropping out , going to jail and getting pregnant outside of marriage are celebrated by one slice of one community. Certainly not by everybody in that community. Who likes single motherhood ? Liberals ! Why ? Because they NEED government. Think of all the welfare programs and social workers who would be reduced in size and out of work if there were far fewer single mothers.
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No I think rational people are okay with single motherhood ONLY if the mother can afford it AND has a support system of positive male role models.
Contrary to your flawed belief, not all single mothers are on welfare or government assistance
No one I know glorifies single motherhood. If anything those women are glorifying the life of their child and are probably pro life republicans. Like what are they supposed to do crawl into the depths of shame n perform coat hanger abortion?
The poor ones probably can’t afford attorneys and need the government to track down their deadbeat child’s father to make the dudes pay child support vs leaving women to struggle with the kid/the government n taxpayers to pay for deadbeats kids
And besides. I highly doubt Republicans turned down their government assistance welfare from PUA, Stimulus checks, rent/grocery/medication subsidies n more. Plenty of welfare programs that hypocritical Republicans are collecting while shaming others for doing the same.
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miss.a.p1600
No I think rational people are okay with single motherhood ONLY if the mother can afford it AND has a support system of positive male role models.
Contrary to your flawed belief, not all single mothers are on welfare or government assistance
No one I know glorifies single motherhood. If anything those women are glorifying the life of their child and are probably pro life republicans. Like what are they supposed to do crawl into the depths of shame n perform coat hanger abortion?
The poor ones probably can’t afford attorneys and need the government to track down their deadbeat child’s father to make the dudes pay child support vs leaving women to struggle with the kid/the government n taxpayers to pay for deadbeats kids
And besides. I highly doubt Republicans turned down their government assistance welfare from PUA, Stimulus checks, rent/grocery/medication subsidies n more. Plenty of welfare programs that hypocritical Republicans are collecting while shaming others for doing the same.
I never said all single mothers are on welfare. Quite the contrary. Most are forced to work their asses off to provide for their kids.
I am 100% in favor of fathers paying child support and tracking them down to see that they do so.
Your last point eludes me . Except to say that hypocrisy is the mother's milk of politics.
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Eric, frankly you just pissed me off, and I'm pretty temperamental. You have my apologies.
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kamiliam
so I really don’t know if you are intentionally being obtuse or if you do not understand the basics of revolutionary and reactionary policies. The racists and the fascists are what BLM is protesting against, it’s systematic racism/classism that causes the most damage to progress.
I barely brings up my own personal politics. But I don’t care about property damage, at least until wage theft is down and reparations are made. But I never have encouraged property damage. I have never seen that here.
First of all this is a whataboutism. It’s a wonderful way to spin extreme right wing violence. “What about BLM’s violence?” Everytime the alt right get caught red handed...”well what about...”
Whataboutisms are red herring is a fallacy arguments that distracts from the original topic.
I don’t often argue my personal politics because people see what they believe.The brain literally filters out information that's not congruent with their worldview. Most people’s talking points are propaganda downloaded from their choose source of propaganda.
It’s kinda like alcoholism. Until the alcoholic admits and wants help, they see everyone trying to HELP as just a pain in his/her/their ass.
I wish we could temporarily switch bodies and people literally had to walk in the “other sides” shoes for a day. People don’t change their beliefs it seems until it effects them personally.
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moneybags
First of all this is a whataboutism. It’s a wonderful way to spin extreme right wing violence. “What about BLM’s violence?” Everytime the alt right get caught red handed...”well what about...”
Whataboutisms are red herring is a fallacy arguments that distracts from the original topic.
I don’t often argue my personal politics because people see what they believe.The brain literally filters out information that's not congruent with their worldview. Most people’s talking points are propaganda downloaded from their choose source of propaganda.
It’s kinda like alcoholism. Until the alcoholic admits and wants help, they see everyone trying to HELP as just a pain in his/her/their ass.
I wish we could temporarily switch bodies and people literally had to walk in the “other sides” shoes for a day. People don’t change their beliefs it seems until it effects them personally.
is this is reference to what I said? Unclear. This response was to the AOC tweets that referenced making people uncomfortable which was made equal to encouraging violence. BLM want to make people uncomfortable with the history of racism and other fascists rallying points in order to enact change.
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moneybags
I wish we could temporarily switch bodies and people literally had to walk in the “other sides” shoes for a day.
That's actually a good idea for a Twilight Zone style short story, do you mind if I use it?
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kamiliam
is this is reference to what I said? Unclear. This response was to the AOC tweets that referenced making people uncomfortable which was made equal to encouraging violence. BLM want to make people uncomfortable with the history of racism and other fascists rallying points in order to enact change.
I think it is in reference to Eric bringing up protests against racism and George Floyd's killing, where some people looted.
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eagle2
I think it is in reference to Eric bringing up protests against racism and George Floyd's killing, where some people looted.
Yeah. I was saying most of the time when people (like you) call out extreme right wing violence the response is a whataboutism. What about BLM protests? Yeah I don’t like naming name, but I’ve seen a few people post whataboutisms.
I also went down a rabbit hole...lol. I also understand that people who don’t see my point of view aren’t malicious. The brain is wired to rationalize irrational behavior; hence, the whataboutisms.
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I also think humans are weird.
While most of us (the sane ones) agree that violence isn’t okay from either end of the political spectrum sadly people won’t change unless they are “pushed”/“feet held to the fires” so to speak - hence the violent wars/revolts that happen every so often
MLK was the epitome of PEACEFUL protests back during the civil rights era
Kapernick became the face of peaceful protest for today’s times
And maybe others I just don’t know their names
But sadly PEACEFUL protests led to MLK getting assassinated n Kapernick getting blackballed from NFL because extremist rights wing “snowflakes” as you call them can’t handle people standing up for their civil n human rights. These guys did the “right” thing, did what critics said they should do (protest peacefully), yet they still suffered consequences
Maybe this is the answer. Accepting were imperfect humans in an imperfect world and nothing will ever be perfect unless....we’re in the utopia of heaven
Anyhow I’m not sure how relevant this is to the original topic except to say that the capitol riot was a blessing in disguise as it exposed another Trump administration (failure to provide adequate security ahead of riots because eh they’re trump supporters), the corruption we already knew was going on at a high level of government, and more
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miss.a.p1600
I also think humans are weird.
While most of us (the sane ones) agree that violence isn’t okay from either end of the political spectrum sadly people won’t change unless they are “pushed”/“feet held to the fires” so to speak - hence the violent wars/revolts that happen every so often
MLK was the epitome of PEACEFUL protests back during the civil rights era
Kapernick became the face of peaceful protest for today’s times
And maybe others I just don’t know their names
But sadly PEACEFUL protests led to MLK getting assassinated n Kapernick getting blackballed from NFL because extremist rights wing “snowflakes” as you call them can’t handle people standing up for their civil n human rights. These guys did the “right” thing, did what critics said they should do (protest peacefully), yet they still suffered consequences
Maybe this is the answer. Accepting were imperfect humans in an imperfect world and nothing will ever be perfect unless....we’re in the utopia of heaven
Anyhow I’m not sure how relevant this is to the original topic except to say that the capitol riot was a blessing in disguise as it exposed another Trump administration (failure to provide adequate security ahead of riots because eh they’re trump supporters), the corruption we already knew was going on at a high level of government, and more
I was going to say, MLK and Jesus were both killed.
I don’t think it’s okay for women to hit men, but it’s understandable she might fight back after being pushed down the stairs and hit everyday. I think we want to believe that violence is a black and white issue. In sociology, we learned we have ideals as a society “don’t kill”, but often what society actually does is different: abortion, war, and executions. We have ideal beliefs that violence is wrong, but realistically violence may be unavoidable- especially in a dysfunctional society where there’s no way to address
conflicts in a healthy way. I think there’s some nuance when we look at violence. It’s not popular to have a nuanced conversation. “You” get more eyeballs when “you” yell, condemn, and point fingers, then here “we” are ( on social media) regurgitating that bullshit to each other. I really don’t understand violence. Maybe if the news brought on sociologist and psychologist instead of talking heads yelling at each other we could actually learn something useful about violence, but that wouldn’t sell. So here we are round and round the mulberry bush blaming “the other”.
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Eric Stoner
Republican "voter suppression " didn't work very well in 2020 , did it ? Even if there is such a thing it was overcome by aggressively expanding the voter base and getting them to the polls.
Republicans went to court over 60 times with frivolous lawsuits, to try to disenfranchise millions of black voters in four cities, in order to steal an election.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
Again, I am being deliberately misunderstood. I merely pointed out that dropping out , going to jail and getting pregnant outside of marriage are celebrated by one slice of one community. Certainly not by everybody in that community. Who likes single motherhood ? Liberals ! Why ? Because they NEED government. Think of all the welfare programs and social workers who would be reduced in size and out of work if there were far fewer single mothers.
That's not true. You've been listening to Rush Limbaugh too much. Conservatives are the ones who support policies that result in more single mothers, not liberals. Conservatives oppose teaching teenagers about contraception, as well as providing them with access to it. Conservatives are shutting down family planning clinics in their states. Conservatives are blocking millions of poor people from getting health insurance. It's not just a coincidence that 9 of the 10 states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are conservative.
https://www.usnews.com/news/healthie...rates?slide=12
The same is true for poverty rates.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...rates?slide=12
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Originally Posted by
moneybags
First of all this is a whataboutism. It’s a wonderful way to spin extreme right wing violence. “What about BLM’s violence?” Everytime the alt right get caught red handed...”well what about...”
Whataboutisms are red herring is a fallacy arguments that distracts from the original topic.
I don’t often argue my personal politics because people see what they believe.The brain literally filters out information that's not congruent with their worldview. Most people’s talking points are propaganda downloaded from their choose source of propaganda.
It’s kinda like alcoholism. Until the alcoholic admits and wants help, they see everyone trying to HELP as just a pain in his/her/their ass.
I wish we could temporarily switch bodies and people literally had to walk in the “other sides” shoes for a day. People don’t change their beliefs it seems until it effects them personally.
I'm sorry but I do not have that problem. I have condemned ALL political violence especially the Beer Belly Putsch. Afaic there was NOTHING righteous for those nuts to be protesting. At least many of the George Floyd protests at least started out peacefully and had a legitimate cause supporting their protests
I've said from the start that there was NO LEGITIMATE Purpose for the Pro-Trump demonstration that morphed into or was hijacked into being an attack on Congress . Did those loons have a right to protest ? Yes. But what were they protesting ? The result of a legitimate election that didn't go their way. And what was Trumpty Dumpty doing there ? What was he trying to accomplish ? He tried to pressure Congress and Pence ( HIS Veep ! ) into defying the result of a legitimate election because he THOUGHT the election was rigged ; that he wuz robbed. After a month or so of lawsuits in which he couldn't prove a damn thing. It was classic mischief making demagogy on a grand scale.
Likewise I condemned the violent rioting surrounding the George Floyd protests. Like it or not, too many legitimate protests were infiltrated by Anti-Fa and BLM extremists. Inter alia , they copied tactics used by the PLO. They would do things like throw rocks and other missiles at the police and then fade back into the crowd.
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Originally Posted by
kamiliam
is this is reference to what I said? Unclear. This response was to the AOC tweets that referenced making people uncomfortable which was made equal to encouraging violence. BLM want to make people uncomfortable with the history of racism and other fascists rallying points in order to enact change.
I don't have a problem with making people more aware of racism and "uncomfortable" about same. I just fail to see how violence , rioting and looting accomplishes that.
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Originally Posted by
miss.a.p1600
I also think humans are weird.
While most of us (the sane ones) agree that violence isn’t okay from either end of the political spectrum sadly people won’t change unless they are “pushed”/“feet held to the fires” so to speak - hence the violent wars/revolts that happen every so often
MLK was the epitome of PEACEFUL protests back during the civil rights era
Kapernick became the face of peaceful protest for today’s times
And maybe others I just don’t know their names
But sadly PEACEFUL protests led to MLK getting assassinated n Kapernick getting blackballed from NFL because extremist rights wing “snowflakes” as you call them can’t handle people standing up for their civil n human rights. These guys did the “right” thing, did what critics said they should do (protest peacefully), yet they still suffered consequences
Maybe this is the answer. Accepting were imperfect humans in an imperfect world and nothing will ever be perfect unless....we’re in the utopia of heaven
Anyhow I’m not sure how relevant this is to the original topic except to say that the capitol riot was a blessing in disguise as it exposed another Trump administration (failure to provide adequate security ahead of riots because eh they’re trump supporters), the corruption we already knew was going on at a high level of government, and more
Kaepernick does not have a job in the NFL because his talent level does not rise to a level where an owner will put up with all the collateral noise that would go along with having him on the roster. That is NOT me talking. That is fellow players; owners ;agents and GM's. All speaking off the record , of course. If any owner thought Colin Kaepernick would help his team get to the playoffs he would sign him and put up with the jazz that would come with him. Kaepernick settled his suit against the NFL for LESS than $ 10 million . Meaning he knew he couldn't prove he would get hired as a STARTING QB in the NFL. The average salary for starting QB's is a LOT more than $10 million. He basically settled for what a back-up would get over two or three years. And all of that assumes he could prove he was blackballed. That the owners acted in concert to keep him out of the NFL.
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Originally Posted by
eagle2
That's not true. You've been listening to Rush Limbaugh too much. Conservatives are the ones who support policies that result in more single mothers, not liberals. Conservatives oppose teaching teenagers about contraception, as well as providing them with access to it. Conservatives are shutting down family planning clinics in their states. Conservatives are blocking millions of poor people from getting health insurance. It's not just a coincidence that 9 of the 10 states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are conservative.
https://www.usnews.com/news/healthie...rates?slide=12
The same is true for poverty rates.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...rates?slide=12
Hmmmm. There is some truth to this. Those countries that promote sex ed. and contraception have MUCH lower rates of teen pregnancy than we do.
There is conflict between Planned Parenthood and people who oppose : " Any abortion , any time , for any reason ". I am admittedly ambivalent and wishy washy. I think PP does good work with contraception and providing info. However their pro-abortion extremism often results in a lot of babies being thrown out with their bathwater. No pun intended.
It's not a perfect world. If it were, just you and I locked in a room with all the power we'd need to work out and implement solutions to the world's problems we could probably solve a lot of the world's ills. Unfortunately we haven't been appointed CZARS . Sigh. More's the pity.
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eagle2
Republicans went to court over 60 times with frivolous lawsuits, to try to disenfranchise millions of black voters in four cities, in order to steal an election.
If the lawsuits were frivolous then they didn't succeed , did they ?
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Eric Stoner
If the lawsuits were frivolous then they didn't succeed , did they ?
Their intent was to disenfranchise millions of black voters. Because they didn't succeed doesn't change the fact that they wanted to do it and tried to do it.