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Re: Life after vaccination
I posted this link in another thread, but since it's relevant to what's being discussed here, here's a link with information on where vaccines are being offered:
https://www.vaccinehunter.org/
Most states are only offering it to the elderly, people with medical conditions, and people in certain fields. President Biden is calling for all states to make vaccines available to everyone by May 1.
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I’m going to follow CDC guidelines. I do miss the nightlife, but at the same time with the variants we just don’t know. I get some of you girls are younger, but I’m older. I’ve seen people that are my age and be completely disabled. I’m an athlete. I wouldn’t want to live anymore if I got long haulers. Not to mention as a SW the government doesn’t care about helping us if we do become disabled. I’ll probably stay at home and cam still until there’s more evidence that's it’s safe to gather unmasked. I don’t think I’ll ever want to be in large groups or work in a high contact club again though.
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kimbe
I'm also usually wearing a mask even though I'm vaccinated now. Think it's still somewhat unclear if you still can infect others.. :confused:
I honestly think the risk of you doing that is dramatically lower once you’re vaxxed, judging by the numbers in Israel (who are way ahead of us in rollout). Better safe than sorry though.
I’m having a hard time convincing my spouse and 74 year old mom to get it.
Spouse is just being stubborn, which is annoying because he’s near genius level but is also a typical man who brushes off his own health. I flat up told him I was going to resume my life, including working in an ER, and if I somehow bring it home it’s kind of on him for refusing to get a shot.
Mom has never even had a flu shot so that’s her angle I guess? She’s worried she’ll react badly because of that, it’s weird... She went out to a restaurant last night with 10 people. I’m just exasperated with her at this point and will be low key worried for the next several days.
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^nail on the head = typical man
That’s why they end up paying more in insurance because usually they’re more likely to procrastinate, shrug shit off, stay in denial, and/or turn into stone walls when it comes to their health
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It's definitely good that we have a vaccine now, but it's not a magic pill. Right or wrong, a certain percentage of the population is simply not going to take it.
Younger people in particular are likely to have lower adoption numbers. I also suspect that a high percentage of parents will decide not to vaccinate their kids for COVID. The flu is more dangerous to young people than COVID and 40% of kids 17 and younger and an estimated 75% of young adults aren't vaccinated for that either.
So the reality is that COVID is likely to be with us for a long time. But like the flu, it's effects are expected to diminish as a much higher percentages of the population has some level of resistance, including cellular memory. The strategy will likely be the same as with the flu, which is to encourage annual vaccinations with an emphasis on protecting the most vulnerable. Old people and those with comorbidities who diligently go in for their flu shot each year will do the same now for COVID.
And then life moves on, as it always does.
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^^^ I think that too. At least, I hope so!
I won't be taking the vaccine and I sincerely hope we will not be forced to. Bodily autonomy is too important.
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I guess the folks who decide not to get the vaccine are lucky that a large portion of the population will be getting the vaccine.
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Originally Posted by
eagle2
I posted this link in another thread, but since it's relevant to what's being discussed here, here's a link with information on where vaccines are being offered:
https://www.vaccinehunter.org/
Most states are only offering it to the elderly, people with medical conditions, and people in certain fields. President Biden is calling for all states to make vaccines available to everyone by May 1.
i think we’re still in phase 1 on vaccine rollout so having it available to more people who want it will be a great thing.
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I'm already seeing things shaping up in my state business wise ( in mine ). Also some friends who own businesses are reporting having their first somewhat normal income month since last March.
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Yeah, i think there will be a huge business and baby boom as we ramp up into vaccinations!
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charlie61
I guess the folks who decide not to get the vaccine are lucky that a large portion of the population will be getting the vaccine.
They're still going to be putting themselves at risk, especially if there are certain regions where many people don't get vaccinated.
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charlie61
Yeah, i think there will be a huge business and baby boom as we ramp up into vaccinations!
Think of all the men who haven't gone to a strip club in more than a year.
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eagle2
They're still going to be putting themselves at risk, especially if there are certain regions where many people don't get vaccinated.
Yeah, it really gets into the kind of social ethics stuff that would require me to remove myself from this thread.
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Right ?!? ^ I’m 12 days post shot lol just waiting till 18-20 days post then club shopping.
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Genoveve
It's crazy because I'm so used to masks and social distancing now that when I watch pre-pandemic videos where I see strangers meeting and hugging I kind of wince, and I'm not a germaphobe at all. The mind really does adapt fast.
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^It is actually so sad... But I like to wear mask, too. And I like when people keep the distance. Mostly they don't do it though.
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I'm having a difficult time getting an appointment. I work in grocery delivery and have hypertension too.
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I look at the vaccine not as a cure all, but rather as a means of (1) limiting deaths in vulnerable people; and (2) making nervous people comfortable enough to go back into the economy. If anyone dies of the flu or COVID moving forward, it is because he/she made a choice not to get vaccinated.
Each grown adult needs to make his or her own informed decision and then live (or not) with the results. Parents also need to make informed decisions for their children. Much like with the flu vaccine, each adult must weigh the risks vs. rewards of getting on an annual vaccination cycle.
For example, one year we got the flu vaccine for my kids and one of them had such a bad reaction that she was rushed to the ER in the middle of the night. From then on we stopped getting them flu vaccines. Instead when they show flu symptoms (maybe once every 3-4 years), we immediately get them on Tamiflu and they're better in a few days. Easy peasy. Regarding COVID, for now we have little interest in giving them an annual vaccine for something that frankly isn't really dangerous to them anyway.
For my family these are carefully calculated decisions based upon all of the information we have available. My kids are not social policy experiments. They are individual human beings who I am responsible for protecting.
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There is a lot of ridiculous misinformation floating around about the vaccines. The overwhelming evidence based on facts and science is that the vaccines are safe and effective. Yet half of Trump's male voters say they will not get vaccinated. I don't like or agree with Fauci too much but he is right: Trump , the author of Operation Warp Speed, ought to make a PSA telling people to get vaccinated. He has endorsed it and touted it in his CPAC speech but a PSA addressed to his supporters ( some of whom would drink their own pee if Trump told them to ) would encourage more people to get vaccinated.
If not getting vaccinated only affected the person opting out I could understand it but it has been shown that one infected person can infect dozens of other people. They in turn can infect dozens of other people and before you know it there will be a major surge with resumption of lockdowns. The people refusing to be vaccinated are also some of the loudest squawkers about the lockdowns.
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rickdugan
I look at the vaccine not as a cure all, but rather as a means of (1) limiting deaths in vulnerable people; and (2) making nervous people comfortable enough to go back into the economy. If anyone dies of the flu or COVID moving forward, it is because he/she made a choice not to get vaccinated.
Each grown adult needs to make his or her own informed decision and then live (or not) with the results. Parents also need to make informed decisions for their children. Much like with the flu vaccine, each adult must weigh the risks vs. rewards of getting on an annual vaccination cycle.
For example, one year we got the flu vaccine for my kids and one of them had such a bad reaction that she was rushed to the ER in the middle of the night. From then on we stopped getting them flu vaccines. Instead when they show flu symptoms (maybe once every 3-4 years), we immediately get them on Tamiflu and they're better in a few days. Easy peasy. Regarding COVID, for now we have little interest in giving them an annual vaccine for something that frankly isn't really dangerous to them anyway.
For my family these are carefully calculated decisions based upon all of the information we have available. My kids are not social policy experiments. They are individual human beings who I am responsible for protecting.
I completely 100% agree with this. It should be a choice , in the end available to anyone, but a choice people should be able to make about themselves or their children, 100% informed. Right now, you are not allowed to talk about bad vaccine reactions. But it happens and has always happened. Every medication, even a Tylenol, has a chance of making you deathly ill or killing you. And the choice should be made with a personal risk analysis, and I think the majority of people are capable of making that decision for themselves. In my European country vaccinations with one certain vaccine are put on hold because of severe side effects. This is something that should be investigated.
It baffles me that children get the flu vaccine and medication for the flu in the US. Never knew that. I have never gotten one and can't get one either, even if I wanted to. They are reserved for the elderly and young people who have a severe chronic illness. The covid vaccines here are the same. Young people can't get vaccinated until the summer because the elderly and sick are first. I think thats really fair.
For me personally, I am really sick of the pro-vaccine narrative in a way that you are framed as 'selfish' when you dont vaccinate against Covid. It is a personal choice. Your personal freedoms. Its not necessary for me. I am young, not overweight and healthy. I am not at risk and when the at risk people have had their fair chance to get the vaxx, the pandemic is over. Thats what I stand by. Young people have a MUCH bigger chance of dying in a car crash then from Covid. We are not banning driving. Because its a risk that a person is willing to take.
Even if not vaccinated young people infect dozens of others, if the at risk population had their chance of getting a vaccine there is no problem. For young people its not more than getting the flu or sniffles. No problem.
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And what do those young Anti-Vaxxers say to all the people that they infect ? Especially those that get seriously ill and even die ?
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Unsubscribing myself, thank you to all :)
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Eric Stoner
And what do those young Anti-Vaxxers say to all the people that they infect ? Especially those that get seriously ill and even die ?
They had their fair chance of getting a vaccine. So they will be protected. If they dont get it, its a choice they are making.
You cant lock up a society forever for a small group of people. Dangers are lurking everywhere, not only due to covid. Other peoples health is not my responsibility. I have health issues too, and nobody that I dont know cares about that either.
Also, I dont like being framed. I am not an anti vaxxer. I just dont take medications that I dont need. I dont take a flu shot either. Or a tylenol when I dont have a headache.
I am just going to unsub from this conversation too. There is no point in discussing this , esp with people from the USA because your debate is about politics and framing people into left and right while this has nothing to do with it.
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Eric Stoner
And what do those young Anti-Vaxxers say to all the people that they infect ? Especially those that get seriously ill and even die ?
That if they were vulnerable to begin with that they should have had their own vaccinations?
Look, I am hardly an Anti-Vaxxer. My kids received all of their once in a lifetime vaccinations (including boosters).
But we always take a risk any time we put something biological in our bodies, however remote that risk may be. I have zero intention of exposing my kids to two vaccinations (flu and now COVID) every single year for things that aren't especially dangerous to them to begin with. It's not my obligation to increase my kids' exposure to the potential side effects of vaccines that they don't need just to protect people who should be taking them but don't.
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Eric Stoner
And what do those young Anti-Vaxxers say to all the people that they infect ? Especially those that get seriously ill and even die ?
idk. I could be wrong but I think that is would be more of a concern if the vaccine isn’t available to anyone who wants it.
right now in my area it’s only available to high risk people. Most of the old people n first responders (and some line jumpers lol) that I know have already have gotten vaccinated.
Once the vaccine is widely available (and whoever wants it gets it) then it seems like it would just be the “anti-vaccine” people infecting other “anti-vaccine” people.
I personally think if coronavirus was something we were trying to eradicate then yes everyone needs to get vaccinated. But it is my understanding that coronavirus has been constantly compared to viruses like the cold/flu so people are perceiving it as something that’s going to be around indefinitely
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AuroraJade
I completely 100% agree with this. It should be a choice , in the end available to anyone, but a choice people should be able to make about themselves or their children, 100% informed. Right now, you are not allowed to talk about bad vaccine reactions. But it happens and has always happened. Every medication, even a Tylenol, has a chance of making you deathly ill or killing you. And the choice should be made with a personal risk analysis, and I think the majority of people are capable of making that decision for themselves. In my European country vaccinations with one certain vaccine are put on hold because of severe side effects. This is something that should be investigated.
It baffles me that children get the flu vaccine and medication for the flu in the US. Never knew that. I have never gotten one and can't get one either, even if I wanted to. They are reserved for the elderly and young people who have a severe chronic illness. The covid vaccines here are the same. Young people can't get vaccinated until the summer because the elderly and sick are first. I think thats really fair.
For me personally, I am really sick of the pro-vaccine narrative in a way that you are framed as 'selfish' when you dont vaccinate against Covid. It is a personal choice. Your personal freedoms. Its not necessary for me. I am young, not overweight and healthy. I am not at risk and when the at risk people have had their fair chance to get the vaxx, the pandemic is over. Thats what I stand by. Young people have a MUCH bigger chance of dying in a car crash then from Covid. We are not banning driving. Because its a risk that a person is willing to take.
Even if not vaccinated young people infect dozens of others, if the at risk population had their chance of getting a vaccine there is no problem. For young people its not more than getting the flu or sniffles. No problem.
with regard to children getting flu vaccine
our public school systems pack as many kids in one room as a teacher can handle and often time parents of dual income houses have no one to watch their kids if kids get sick so they send the sick kid with “just sniffles” into School
catching viruses like cold and flu etc is more likely to happen in communal environments like this or places like work office shared space cubicles. This is how outbreaks happen.
also there is no guarantee that just because a person is young or has no preexisting health conditions that they won’t contract coronavirus, have severe symptoms if they do contract it, have residual symptoms afterwards.
Many insurance companies make it hard to qualify for/won’t insure people who’ve contracted coronavirus because it’s still unknown what long term effects it has which could lead to shortened life expectancy