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Re: Life after vaccination
I am sorry but I cannot think of a legitimate reason NOT to get vaccinated. Assuming of course that the vaccine is available. To me, it ALMOST seems like a petulant , even childish assertion of personal autonomy . Any long time reader of this board knows that I am pro-freedom and anti-coercion. I am not in favor of forcing people to get vaccinated . But I don't see anything wrong with positive encouragement.
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I intend to get Vaccinated when it is available to me. I understand why others need it more right now, however. I'll just mask up and distance at the grocery store. Yes, the loneliness is a problem. I can deal with it.
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I’ve never gotten a flu shot(never had the flu) and will get the vaccine. The two are not the same.
I just wish my state didn’t consider me and my early 60s mother to be the same risk level. She really needs it more then me to have a full life. That being said if you are qualified to get it don’t wait just because other people are higher risk. The more the better
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Re: Life after vaccination
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
I am sorry but I cannot think of a legitimate reason NOT to get vaccinated. Assuming of course that the vaccine is available. To me, it ALMOST seems like a petulant , even childish assertion of personal autonomy . Any long time reader of this board knows that I am pro freedom and anti-coercion. I am not in favor of forcing people to get vaccinated . But I don't see anything wrong with positive encouragement.
Just because you can't think of a legitimate reason doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, just that you can't seem to think of one. As someone who has already had a child with a very adverse reaction to a vaccine, I can.
Vaccines are low risk, not zero risk. When parents decide for a child whether to put something in that child's body, they have to weight the risks on both sides of the ledger and make the best informed decision possible. That is not petulance or about autonomy, that is parental responsibility. When someone does the same for himself, it's personal responsibility.
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Life after vaccination? Vacation...definetly. Mental relaxation. Have fun. Appreciate life. Travel. And not listening to grown men with aggressive political views argue on stripper forums lol .
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Originally Posted by
rickdugan
Just because you can't think of a legitimate reason doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, just that you can't seem to think of one. As someone who has already had a child with a very adverse reaction to a vaccine, I can.
Vaccines are low risk, not zero risk. When parents decide for a child whether to put something in that child's body, they have to weight the risks on both sides of the ledger and make the best informed decision possible. That is not petulance or about autonomy, that is parental responsibility. When someone does the same for himself, it's personal responsibility.
Easy does it. OK , you came up with food for thought. However I think you will agree that the instances of negative reactions to the vaccines are VERY few and none ( afaik ) proved fatal or even seriously debilitating. Please do NOT cite the doctor in Virginia whose platelets plunged to zero after he was vaccinated. To date, there is zero evidence of any connection to the vaccine. His reaction is one of only two such reports. Neither of which has been proven.
Now compare that to Covid. While rare, young people have gotten seriously ill and even died from it . Then you have them being carriers of the virus.
Btw, there are already reports of people infected with Covid who have recovered faster after being vaccinated. Not unheard of. Same thing often happens with the flu vaccine.
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Re: Life after vaccination
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
Easy does it. OK , you came up with food for thought. However I think you will agree that the instances of negative reactions to the vaccines are VERY few and none ( afaik ) proved fatal or even seriously debilitating. Please do NOT cite the doctor in /Virginia whose platelets plunged to zero after he was vaccinated. To date, there is zero evidence of any connection to the vaccine. His reaction is one of only two such reports. Neither of which has been proven.
Now compare that to Covid. While rare, young people have gotten seriously ill and even died from it . Then you have them being carriers of the virus.
Btw, there are already reports of people infected with Covid who have recovered faster after being vaccinated. Not unheard of. Same thing often happens with the flu vaccine.
"Easy does it" to you also Eric. Scroll back up and re-read some of your interesting labels for folks who hold a differing viewpoint and you may see why some might get a little annoyed. ;)
As far as the COVID vaccine safety, the jury is far from in on that. There is a lot of roadway to go, including widespread distribution to the larger population and the collection of reporting data, before anyone has a complete handle on that. Meanwhile virtually every on the the super tiny % of children who died from COVID had severe comorbidities, which my kids do not. So when my wife and I include these factors in our ledger calculations, at least for us a "wait and see" approach for our own children is the obvious choice. Every parent of course is certainly free to come to a different conclusion based upon his/her own individual factors.
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Re: Life after vaccination
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
I am sorry but I cannot think of a legitimate reason NOT to get vaccinated. Assuming of course that the vaccine is available. To me, it ALMOST seems like a petulant , even childish assertion of personal autonomy . Any long time reader of this board knows that I am pro-freedom and anti-coercion. I am not in favor of forcing people to get vaccinated . But I don't see anything wrong with positive encouragement.
Anytime the government recommends to do something there will always be those people who are going to fight tooth n nails to do the opposite
I know some older people who are refusing because they think the vaccines haven’t been thoroughly tested/safe, feel like it’s similar to a flu vaccine and since they don’t get flu vaccines they don’t think it’s necessary for covid vaccine.
as far as safety some people are adamant that they cause autism, or other adverse reactions
Before the pandemic these people i know travelled A LOT. If they continue traveling at that same pace they will definitely expose themselves to coronavirus and since they’re older they will put themselves at greater risk
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miss.a.p1600
Anytime the government recommends to do something there will always be those people who are going to fight tooth n nails to do the opposite
I know some older people who are refusing because they think the vaccines haven’t been thoroughly tested/safe, feel like it’s similar to a flu vaccine and since they don’t get flu vaccines they don’t think it’s necessary for covid vaccine.
as far as safety some people are adamant that they cause autism, or other adverse reactions
Before the pandemic they travelled A LOT. If they continue traveling at that same pace they will definitely expose themselves to coronavirus and since they’re older they will put themselves at greater risk
It's not government, it's us, I went down the rabbit hole of the Cult 45 forums during his reign and the #1 guiding principle of these people is that they hate us, more than they love their own grandparents easily. If we could selectively target them with reverse psychology (the libs don't want you vaccinated!!!) we would achieve almost 95%+ vaccination rate.
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Does anyone else have anything positive to say about what to do after vaccination or are we still arguing...?
Nope....the boys are still fighting....
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I have already gotten my vaccine and looking forward to visiting family again next week.
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I probably won't be getting mine until it's available to everyone. I'm greatly looking forward to seeing friends and family, and going to restaurants, bars, movies, and stripclubs.
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eagle2
I haven't heard of any one vaccine being safer than the others, so you should go with whichever one is available first. The effects of coronavirus are far worse than anything from any of the vaccines. There's close to 100 million doses given so far, and I haven't heard of any severe reactions. With coronavirus, not only have more than 500,000 Americans died from it, there are many more who had the virus and didn't die, but ended up with severe health problems.
Wouldn't it be nice if Biden , Fauci , Birx et. al. took a break from blaming Trump and went after Louis Farrakhan and others who are telling the Black Community NOT to get vaccinated ; that vaccines are part of a plot to Depopulate the Earth. I am NOT making this up. I have one of his brochures saying exactly that. I literally found it in the gutter in front of my office. Talk about product placement.
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^^But the risk of getting seriously sick is reduced by something close to 90% I guess.. :)
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Over 100 million people have been vaccinated, and I have not heard of a single case of someone dying or having severe health complications, caused by the vaccine. Over 1/2 million Americans have died from coronavirus.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
Wouldn't it be nice if Biden , Fauci , Birx et. al. took a break from blaming Trump and went after Louis Farrakhan and others who are telling the Black Community NOT to get vaccinated ; that vaccines are part of a plot to Depopulate the Earth. I am NOT making this up. I have one of his brochures saying exactly that. I literally found it in the gutter in front of my office. Talk about product placement.
I imagine that being condemned by the President of the United States would only enhance Farrakhan's credibility with his followers.
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I've never gotten a flu shot, but just got my 1st Pfizer, hoping to get back to 'normal', wear khakis, make sales calls...
Funny story - A nurse friend didn't want to risk a sore arm, requested to get hers in the butt. Great idea I thought - Until I realized it was drive-up. Even after explaining that I had been doing yoga stretches to stick my butt out the car window, they said no, LOL
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I got my first vaccine on Monday. Woohoo and my second is already scheduled. Currently I'm trying so hard not to go crazy and hit the streets with wreckless abandonment. But I'm gonna play it cool because a hot girl summer is on the horizon. I can just feel it. I need it!
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whirlerz
Honestly, I'm afraid to rn..
Read that of a group of 100 vacs, 100% got the virus.
No thank you!
Do you remember anything more about where you saw this? Tried to look it up.
There is a process from studies to calculate effectiveness and is tweaked to reflect what they believe the general rate would be. It does remove some outliers from those numbers like people who got sick but had underlying conditions. Israel who has given out the most doses puts it at 92% based on real life numbers.
there won’t be much more in terms of tweaking the formulation. It is getting more people vaccinated so that it isn’t running around infecting people.
finally will be eligible soon, only to plan a trip to one of the hotbeds of covid. I have my reasons but I definitely want to be fully vaccinated
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What do we do about friends and family that refuse to get vaccinated? I have read that vaccinated people may still be carriers. So, unvaccinated people cannot harm us, but, we can harm them. Do we just avoid contact with them in order to protect them? Or, is it enough to wear a mask when you see them. (Some of them probably don't want to wear a mask either.)
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Re: Life after vaccination
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whirlerz
Great, so @ risk for getting it tho?
To me this end doesn't justify the means..
Rather wait & make sure they work out the kinks
To each his own tho.
It just protects ppl from getting it moderate to severe. This is gonna give us herd immunity like the flu. ;)
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Re: Life after vaccination
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
Wouldn't it be nice if Biden , Fauci , Birx et. al. took a break from blaming Trump and went after Louis Farrakhan and others who are telling the Black Community NOT to get vaccinated ; that vaccines are part of a plot to Depopulate the Earth. I am NOT making this up. I have one of his brochures saying exactly that. I literally found it in the gutter in front of my office. Talk about product placement.
Louis Farrakhan?!?
If course there will always be some conspiracy theorist out there but I think those people make up a very small minority
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On a comparative basis, i.e. compared to other ethnic groups, the black community is getting vaccinated at a lower rate. If it is because of less access to the vaccine then that ought to be improved on by Biden , Harris , Fauci et.al. If it is fear of the vaccine then that ought to be addressed with more education and PSA's. I understand Eagle's point that ignoring Farrakhan is usually the best course but why waste time blaming Trump ?
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My BFF is telling me that the new variant in Brazil is killing YOUNG HEALTHY ppl in their 20s. A 28 yr old girl she knows that lives over there got liver damage and one lung got ravaged.
Looks like that variant made it to Michigan...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/newyork...-concerns/amp/
I'm not comfortable getting near anyone until I get my 2nd shot. Fuck that. Better to play it safe.
More on that variant...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...sk-11616845889
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^^^I have serious concerns about the mutations. We have to develop yearly flu vaccines, so most likely we will have yearly coronavirus vaccines to deal with the variants.
I’m not listening to the government that says “go back to normal. Everything is fine.” I’m going to continue to masking up and social distancing until it’s no longer community spread.
I can’t believe people buy into the propaganda the politicians and their “news sources”are selling to the people.
This pandemic has exposed the evils of the world for everyone to see.