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Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
By Executive Order Biden has decreed that no school can get Federal funds unless it permits biological men to compete in Women's sports.
According to Biden ( parroting LGBT extremists ) it no longer matters that you were born male or have male equipment . If you identify as female you can run against women , swim against them, play tennis , field hockey , whatever. This is from the party of FAIRNESS ?
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
By Executive Order Biden has decreed that no school can get Federal funds unless it permits biological men to compete in Women's sports.
According to Biden ( parroting LGBT extremists ) it no longer matters that you were born male or have male equipment . If you identify as female you can run against women , swim against them, play tennis , field hockey , whatever. This is from the party of FAIRNESS ?
Why should you care you’re not an athlete n you don’t compete in women’s sports
You just want to find something to complain about.
And besides YOU just said in the other thread how democrats NEED the government so that’s why they’re “okay” with single motherhood n out of wedlock kids.
Just take your own advice, stop relying on government funding n welfare programs. Voilá! Problem solved. Private funding = your rules, government funding = government rules (regardless of how “unfair” you think they are)
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
By Executive Order Biden has decreed that no school can get Federal funds unless it permits biological men to compete in Women's sports.
According to Biden ( parroting LGBT extremists ) it no longer matters that you were born male or have male equipment . If you identify as female you can run against women , swim against them, play tennis , field hockey , whatever. This is from the party of FAIRNESS ?
And besides Biden isn’t “destroying” women’s sports. You’re being really dramatic.
Men aren’t flocking to women’s sports for the simple reason = MONEY (and exposure)
Men are getting paid WAY more and have higher viewership (more sponsors) than women for the exact same sports. Ex NBA salary > WNBA salary, Men’s soccer salary > women’s soccer salary, and more.
If a man wants to make less money doing the exact same work let his dumb ass do it. Then maybe he can advocate for women to get paid the same salary
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
These are not men if they identify as a woman. Transgender youths will have often taken hormone blockers making the actual “difference” in strength null at least in high school age. I would suggest you take a look at other cultures throughout history that don’t believe in the binary, and often recognize a third gender.
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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miss.a.p1600
Fake news!
Nothing of the sort. It is all over the Internet. It was in the first batch of Executive Orders that Biden signed.
And don't worry , I am sure Biden will give me a LOT of things to complain about over the next couple of years.
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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miss.a.p1600
Why should you care you’re not an athlete n you don’t compete in women’s sports
You just want to find something to complain about.
And besides YOU just said in the other thread how democrats NEED the government so that’s why they’re “okay” with single motherhood n out of wedlock kids.
Just take your own advice, stop relying on government funding n welfare programs. Voilá! Problem solved. Private funding = your rules, government funding = government rules (regardless of how “unfair” you think they are)
Maybe I don't think it is fair for women to compete against biological men. Men who are bigger and stronger than women. I have no objection to males who identify as females competing against men or perhaps best of all , against other transgender females.
I don't know HOW you are comparing these two issues. I said that Democrats like it when people are poor. That way they need government help. I am 100% in favor of helping poor people. The best way to do that is to give them money. So they are less poor and can provide for basic human needs like food, clothing and shelter.
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
By Executive Order Biden has decreed that no school can get Federal funds unless it permits biological men to compete in Women's sports.
According to Biden ( parroting LGBT extremists ) it no longer matters that you were born male or have male equipment . If you identify as female you can run against women , swim against them, play tennis , field hockey , whatever. This is from the party of FAIRNESS ?
Yup, especially now that college scholarships are coming into play. Before this order, the NCAA allowed transgenders to compete in women's sports, but with limits. The athlete had to prove that she was on hormone suppression therapy for at least a year. This order blows that up, now allowing any dude who says he's a girl to compete against biological women. Just about every college in the country takes federal money (Stafford loans, Pell Grants), so the NCAA is going to be forced to abandon even this minimum standard.
Expect this to bleed into High School sports across the country. It's inevitable. The money at stake is just too much. A college scholarship can easily be worth $150,000 over 4 years and even more at some more expensive institutions. Girl's soccer, wrestling, track & field, softball, volleyball and several other girls' sports where college scholarships are available. Any boy who can't cut it in the boy's team will be able to claim that he is a girl and find a less competitive environment.
As a father with a daughter who is currently in athletics, I'm also concerned about her increased risk of injury in having the play against biological males. They have greater muscle mass, denser bones, larger hearts and great lung capacity, among other things, which is why this is such a divisive issue to begin with.
Idk. While I am certainly not insensitive to the issues facing transgender people, I just don't think that this was the answer. I expect that this will eventually be horribly abused and that our daughters are going to pay the price for it. IMHO Biden really shot himself in the foot with the suburban women who swung the election his way this time around.
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
Maybe I don't think it is fair for women to compete against biological men. Men who are bigger and stronger than women. I have no objection to males who identify as females competing against men or perhaps best of all , against other transgender females.
I don't know HOW you are comparing these two issues. I said that Democrats like it when people are poor. That way they need government help. I am 100% in favor of helping poor people. The best way to do that is to give them money. So they are less poor and can provide for basic human needs like food, clothing and shelter.
Yeah, I think I gotta go with Eric on this one. I really don't want Transwomen competing against Natural Women in the MMA (for example). On the average, Men are physically stronger. Not always, it's a case by case basis (when I was a teen i knew one Woman that worked out at Joes Gym three times a week, SHE WAS CUT! She could have beaten my ass any day!). Or the WNBA, I just think it knocks the fairness out, unless it's, y'know, Fencing or something like that. Sports have to be fair. I have no problem recognizing them as Women, but in competition they need to compete against Men. They've probably had 30 years of Testosterone coursing through their bodies. They are NOT a Woman, they are a TRANSwoman, that's a different thing.
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This is about high school! Kids! Sports have more lessons and values then money, like respect. There will still be standards, natural athletes are rare, the majority of children who play on a team will never go beyond that. When should we break up genders? Puberty? Well if they are taking the blockers that won’t happen.
Most trans fighters( they exist) don’t even attempt to fight cis people or when they do it with full consent. The size alone makes that an unfair fight, just like in men’s sports, so in these cases they attempt to make a fair fight
I fully admit it begins to be a bit more of a difficult conversation when we talk about professional sports but the president has no power over those companies
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I didn't read anything about High School kids, are we talking about High School kids? I thought this was about professional sports!
If that's true, my apologies! Everybody in High School should be able to participate in sports!
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Originally Posted by
rickdugan
Yup, especially now that college scholarships are coming into play. Before this order, the NCAA allowed transgenders to compete in women's sports, but with limits. The athlete had to prove that she was on hormone suppression therapy for at least a year. This order blows that up, now allowing any dude who says he's a girl to compete against biological women. Just about every college in the country takes federal money (Stafford loans, Pell Grants), so the NCAA is going to be forced to abandon even this minimum standard.
Expect this to bleed into High School sports across the country. It's inevitable. The money at stake is just too much. A college scholarship can easily be worth $150,000 over 4 years and even more at some more expensive institutions. Girl's soccer, wrestling, track & field, softball, volleyball and several other girls' sports where college scholarships are available. Any boy who can't cut it in the boy's team will be able to claim that he is a girl and find a less competitive environment.
As a father with a daughter who is currently in athletics, I'm also concerned about her increased risk of injury in having the play against biological males. They have greater muscle mass, denser bones, larger hearts and great lung capacity, among other things, which is why this is such a divisive issue to begin with.
Idk. While I am certainly not insensitive to the issues facing transgender people, I just don't think that this was the answer. I expect that this will eventually be horribly abused and that our daughters are going to pay the price for it. IMHO Biden really shot himself in the foot with the suburban women who swung the election his way this time around.
This has been a major issue in Connecticut for over a year. In fact , several female high school track athletes brought suit claiming that THEIR rights were being interfered with by their having to compete against males. Who btw were smashing records right and left.
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Raziel
I didn't read anything about High School kids, are we talking about High School kids? I thought this was about professional sports!
If that's true, my apologies! Everybody in High School should be able to participate in sports!
Yes this executive order was only made in response to Trumps support of Idaho’s successful banning of transgender youths from sports, Montana is currently in this battle. These states also don’t allow blockers or hormones from those under 18 even with their consent and in some cases even the parents consent doesn’t matter. This was only done in response to trump and 20 odd states actions to further push back trans rights
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Raziel
Yeah, I think I gotta go with Eric on this one. I really don't want Transwomen competing against Natural Women in the MMA (for example). On the average, Men are physically stronger. Not always, it's a case by case basis (when I was a teen i knew one Woman that worked out at Joes Gym three times a week, SHE WAS CUT! She could have beaten my ass any day!). Or the WNBA, I just think it knocks the fairness out, unless it's, y'know, Fencing or something like that. Sports have to be fair. I have no problem recognizing them as Women, but in competition they need to compete against Men. They've probably had 30 years of Testosterone coursing through their bodies. They are NOT a Woman, they are a TRANSwoman, that's a different thing.
The reason that female weightlifters are so cut is that they suppress their female hormones ( estrogen ) which would normally counteract their natural testosterone. By lowering their body fat below 15% they suppress estrogen production so much that inter alia, they stop menstruating. And since many follow a high protein , low carb diet they are encouraging their livers to break down estrogen even more thus enhancing and perpetuating the effects. That is without taking testosterone and /or HGH.
THAT is NOT what we are talking about here . The women that do that are still women.
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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kamiliam
Yes this executive order was only made in response to Trumps support of Idaho’s successful banning of transgender youths from sports, Montana is currently in this battle. These states also don’t allow blockers or hormones from those under 18 even with their consent and in some cases even the parents consent doesn’t matter. This was only done in response to trump and 20 odd states actions to further push back trans rights
If true then those two states went too far. They ought to permit biological males to compete against other males or at least against other transitioning or transitioned females.
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kamiliam
This is about high school! Kids! Sports have more lessons and values then money, like respect. There will still be standards, natural athletes are rare, the majority of children who play on a team will never go beyond that. When should we break up genders? Puberty? Well if they are taking the blockers that won’t happen.
Most trans fighters( they exist) don’t even attempt to fight cis people or when they do it with full consent. The size alone makes that an unfair fight, just like in men’s sports, so in these cases they attempt to make a fair fight
I fully admit it begins to be a bit more of a difficult conversation when we talk about professional sports but the president has no power over those companies
I didn’t read the OP’s post because the OP is is on my ignore list. I can tell you with trans athletes they measure their hormones to make sure they are same as their competitors. At least, that’s true in bodybuilding. A trans woman has to have the same hormones as the other women to compete with women.
Just an FYI.
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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moneybags
I didn’t read the OP’s post because the OP is is on my ignore list. I can tell you with trans athletes they measure their hormones to make sure they are same as their competitors. At least, that’s true in body building.
Twer it only true. At least in Connecticut the three transgender athletes who were permitted to compete against females did no such thing.
Btw, this can work in the other direction. We have females who identify as male and are inter alia taking testosterone supplements. Who should they compete against ? Men ? Women ? Other transgenders ?
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Re: Biden Has Just Destroyed Women's Sports in the U.S.
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Eric Stoner
This has been a major issue in Connecticut for over a year. In fact , several female high school track athletes brought suit claiming that THEIR rights were being interfered with by their having to compete against males. Who btw were smashing records right and left.
Yup, two brothers, er, I mean sisters in Brookfield CT who couldn't beat the best of the other boys, so now are self identifying as girls. At least before they would have still been limited by NCAA rules unless they were on hormone suppression, so their dominance over biological girls would have likely been limited to the High School tracks. Now that colleges will be forced to treat them the same way as biological women using a mere "self identification" standard, expect this to become a nationwide problem over time.
Every young girl who dreams of winning herself a college sports scholarship is now at risk of biological boys taking those scholarships away from them. This could eventually be a horrible to women's rights and educational opportunities. In the 2019/2020 college school year, almost 85,000 women attended college using a sports scholarship, each worth a ton of money (4 years of tuition, books, meal plans, dorm costs, etc.). In 5 years from now, how many of these lucrative college scholarships will still be going to biological females if biological males are allowed to compete for them simply by self-identifying as female?
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rickdugan
Yup, especially now that college scholarships are coming into play. Before this order, the NCAA allowed transgenders to compete in women's sports, but with limits. The athlete had to prove that she was on hormone suppression therapy for at least a year. This order blows that up, now allowing any dude who says he's a girl to compete against biological women. Just about every college in the country takes federal money (Stafford loans, Pell Grants), so the NCAA is going to be forced to abandon even this minimum standard.
As far as I know, Biden's executive order doesn't change this.
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kamiliam
Yes this executive order was only made in response to Trumps support of Idaho’s successful banning of transgender youths from sports, Montana is currently in this battle. These states also don’t allow blockers or hormones from those under 18 even with their consent and in some cases even the parents consent doesn’t matter. This was only done in response to trump and 20 odd states actions to further push back trans rights
To be honest, that is probably correct. Not allowing blockers or hormones to someone under the age of eighteen seems to me to make sense. They're just too young to make that decision. They can do it on day one of eighteen if they want. But they need time to think about it, there's no coming back.
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eagle2
As far as I know, Biden's executive order doesn't change this.
Why don't you READ it first ? It most certainly does.
It prohibits ANY restrictions on transgenders competing against women. All they have to do NOW is identify as female.
Period !
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There was a dude in the Scientific community that transitioned to a Female. After all those Hormone and Estrogen treatments, he actually doubted Free Will (or She, I guess). That Testosterone or Estrogen rules us so much that it kind of controls our minds.
Food for thought.
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Eric Stoner
Why don't you READ it first ? It most certainly does.
It prohibits ANY restrictions on transgenders competing against women. All they have to do NOW is identify as female.
Period !
No it doesn't. It says:
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children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports.
Nowhere does it say transgender athletes should not be required to meet certain standards in order to compete as females.
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eagle2
No it doesn't. It says:
Nowhere does it say transgender athletes should not be required to meet certain standards in order to compete as females.
No. That was Biden's STATEMENT as he signed the Order. The order says , inter alia that no school ( high school or college ) getting Federal funding may prevent men who identify as women from choosing what bathroom they want to use and against whom they wish to compete in athletic contests. Any hormone testing or any other perceived impediment to the individual choice or self identification is NOT permitted. The Justice Department is expected to enforce compliance with Biden's Order.
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Raziel
To be honest, that is probably correct. Not allowing blockers or hormones to someone under the age of eighteen seems to me to make sense. They're just too young to make that decision. They can do it on day one of eighteen if they want. But they need time to think about it, there's no coming back.
blockers under a dr’s care should do no damage, it prevents puberty, it should be considered the middle ground of your argument is that they are too young to know. It buys time. When we talk about the NCAA having the requirement for 1 year of hormone therapy that actively prevents young athletes from gaining success in the sport of their choosing. No one has to put them on a team, but you definitely won’t get a scholarship if you took over a year off from competing then have to make inroads towards your current gender’s sport while you only have experience in your previous genders’s version of the sport.