She says her relationship with MM was not like that, but she stands with his accusers.
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Totally agree with this!
I find it suspicious that so many women started to tell such stories lately. About many celebrities. About Johnny Depp, for example. It made me so sad. You may stone me,but I think it is very easy to use ambiguous things, memories and statements from the past nowadays. I think these women did not make these confessions right away only because it would hurt their careers that time and wouldn't make a certain effect it can make today. And I think it is very appropriate and sometimes very useful to do it now.
Same case with Harvey Weinstein. Some actress blamed him, when it was the right time to do it , and the rest women started to confess about his abuse too. He might be an asshole, but the movies he produced are awesome.
I don't want to defend anyone or blame anyone for no reason, but it makes me anxious a bit because the people who made good things in the industry are blamed. I hope they won't accuse James Cameron or Tim Burton, or..Stephen King in something lol or my paranoia will be overwhelming. ;(
So basically now there are overall nice actors and actresses, nice directors and shitty movies and music.
These women remind me the Catwoman in Burton's movie, when she attacked Batman, but when he punched back, she exclaimed: ''I am a woman, how dare you!'' And then, when he was all confused she hit him.
Women are double edged swords to me. This is just perfect time for such allegations for them IMHO.
+ A lot of money for lawyers, too. Maybe ERW will gain some more media attention from this scandal. (in fact, she already did!) She might not need money, but media attention is always good, especially they sympathize her.
I definitely find it interesting that Rose McGowan and Dita both said their LTRs with him were not abusive at all.
I suppose he could have only selectively abused women who tolerated it? Maybe he viewed those two as more his equals or something, they wouldn't put up with bullshit, etc.
Or perhaps Evan and the other accusers are... I don't want to say "full of it" but personally I think a lot of their accusations read like they did some things they regret when they were younger and then some psychologist convinced them they were abused.
Esme Bianco especially strikes me as ridiculous - she's trying to claim she was trafficked because he bought her a fucking plane ticket? When she was 23 years old? Come on now. There are even texts where it's VERY clear that the whipping and whatnot she talks about was consensual.
I think he's definitely a weirdo and may well be an asshole and a 'player' (for lack of better word), but if he's going to go down for what sounds like essentially just leading these women on/emotional manipulation... Then they might as well start investigating a lot of bad exes I know of... That's just garden variety asshattery and at some point it is your personal responsibility to walk away.
Selena M, if it was indeed done, it could have been that he was deep in substance abuse. That changes you.
He definitely viewed Rose and Dita as more his "equals" because they are closer in age and both very successful, established women. I feel like Rose especially is very well connected in Hollywood and he knew he wouldn't be able to get away with mistreating her. Plus, he started becoming more of a household name during the time he was with her, so it would have been bad for his career to be exposed as an abuser just as he was starting to get super famous. He may have even used her a little for more clout.
I agree with you about Esme Blanco! She was the only victim who I couldn't feel as much sympathy for. Not trying to victim blame or sound heartless, but she left her man to be in a relationship with him and willingly traveled to another country so that she could be with him. She is an adult woman who acted on her own desires, she was not trafficked! I think she wanted to have some fun with MM and when she saw how crazy he really was, she began to regret it. But she was free to end the relationship and press charges if she was being severely abused....but she continued to stay with him for a few more years. It doesn't justify his abuse, but she definitely could have made better choices. And if she went along with it for a few years, it makes her seem less credible.
IMO Trent Reznor's description of Marilyn Manson as a "star fucker" is accurate.
He just sounds like a deeply mentally ill person.
Reeeally disgusting :
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...010053711.html
He's very mentally disturbed and needs to be in a prison for disgusting individuals like him.
Hopefully this will eventually lead to some time in prison.
A mental health facility for certain, a shame as I did like his music
As power & well grow, so can the corruption. Hollywood keeps deranged & dangerous men making them money & don't care about the victims. They have teams of people to discredit & ruin those who go public with abuse, it has always been this way. Look at how long Cosby got away with his crimes.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Funny thing, you never here things like this about women in power like Cher, Dolly Parton, Meryl Streep and such. Never hear or read about them raping, beating & harming others like you do the men in that industry. Which is why I believe women over men. MEN LIE and men in power definitely lie.
And since they get away with it on a smaller scale, not unusual to up the ante as time goes on. It is rare for a man to rape just one person, they generally have lots of victims. Problem is even if you go to the police, most of the time nothing is done. Which is another out for the predators to say they have never been convicted of a crime, knowing that just 1% of rapist go to prison.
Rape & abuse is the easiest crime for men to get away with. Abusers don't abuse everyone, they do it to people they know they can get away with it.
Marilyn Manson is suing her over her claims and it is not looking good for her. How ERW was able to get all these women to come forward was by contacting them about how there was an FBI investigation against him, how he was dangerous and that if they weren't a part of the investigation they couldn't be protected, and scripts were apparently provided to them so they would know what to say to investigators. The major problem though is that there was no investigation and the document she showed to these witnesses to prove it was fake. She forged an actual FBI agent's info on it too.
A lot of other stuff is not adding up as well. Apparently a video where Manson sexually abuses a minor keeps getting thrown around as proof of his debauchery but the woman in the video has come forward and said that she was 22 in it, was hired for it and everything was scripted and consensual. One of the accusers has been largely discredited because she said Manson whipped her till she was bloody after shooting a music video, but when she showed pictures of the wounds they were apparently obviously ropemarks from the restraints that were used on her as part of the filming for the video. Also she(I think it's the same chick) said her back was scarred from the whipping but photos of her back from after this alleged incident show zero scarring. And I can't remember if it's the same woman, I assume so, but she or whoever was caught using pics of someone else's wounds from pinterest as 'proof' of her abuse.
Also on the faked FBI document; apparently ERW was also using it in her legal arguments against her father's child as proof of why she needed full custody of their son or something, because she was so scared of Manson. I've seen people point out too that even though she said Manson threatened to harm her son and she is terrified of what he might do to him, she showed her son in her documentary a lot(I haven't seen it). I do think that if you are fearing for the life of your child that it's very strange to show them on TV period, let alone in a documentary about the person who's threatening him.
There's a bunch more stuff in the lawsuit and way more inconsistencies that people have been pointing out, too many for me to list plus I haven't been following it all closely enough to give accurate info. But I find it hard to believe he doesn't have the facts to back up his lawsuit.
I've also seen more than a few people who knew Manson, worked with him, lived with him...etc. back when he was dating ERW coming to his defense and saying that her current narrative does not add up at all with what they saw and what they witnessed from the both of them back then. I guess some might assume they're all being paid/have some sort of ulterior motive for defending him, but so far I have found the ones I've listened to to be credible and I find it hard to believe that he happens to have all these really good liars around willing to lie for $$$. Especially in this day and age when it's so much more advantageous I think to come out on the side of victims, I'm also under the impression that a lot of these people aren't connected to him currently.
So yeah it's getting thick and I'm very curious to see how this plays out, but I definitely feel the need to retract my '100% trust' of ERW.
I was skeptical to begin with but now I think ERW is full of shit especially since MM has copies of the forged FBI document.
Here's the paperwork filed by his lawyers, including the evidence, if anyone is curious: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Llo...gmVIYckrd/view
The claims keep coming from her too, which gives me the vibe of how someone who is lying will make up waaaaaaay too many details and stories. She just put out that documentary, which claims that he raped her during filming of a music video, and is now trying to get said video taken down from YouTube? So ALL the people on set for that just shut up and allowed you to be raped? Really?
Now she's got some story circulating that she had an abortion and he demanded she make him dinner. Puh-lease. He's rich as hell, he's definitely got a chef and maids, no girlfriend is cooking dinner.