Re: Marilyn Manson Abuse Allegations
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Selina M
She just put out that documentary, which claims that he raped her during filming of a music video, and is now trying to get said video taken down from YouTube? So ALL the people on set for that just shut up and allowed you to be raped? Really?
People have come forward from the set and said that her story is untrue.
Also in regards to her using the fake FBI papers in her custody issues with her ex husband, court papers reveal that he didn't even believe her claims about Manson threatening her son and said that she made it up for leverage. Apparently she also alluded to her ex-husband raping her and abusing her but seems to have let that go for some reason.
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With the GoT accuser it's not looking good either. This is a woman that met Manson through Dita that he had a flirtatious relationship with(like sending nudes and stuff) after his divorce. At some point, I believe while she was married and living in the UK, Manson asked her to come film as the love interest in his music video; he told her it was going to look like a self-shot cellphone video and that it was going to be full of sadomasochism. She says she agreed to it and when she got to his place to film she was unnerved that there was no crew there, although she never says that he said there would be. She said they then shot for 4 days(with a cellphone) and that it was torture, but she also admitted to enjoying showing off her wounds from the torture on social media. She later ended up moving in with him and dating him for a few months. She also said that during the torture he used something called a purple wand on her which I guess does give shocks but it's an over-the-counter sex toy. She said to that she wasn't fed or allowed to sleep throughout the 4 days, but she also says they were basically doing a ton of coke. She doesn't say that he refused her food when she asked or that he forced the cocaine on her or that she had never done it before, so it sounds like they were participating in a coke bender together. She also says she never told him to stop doing anything at any point and that they never actually engaged in any sexual acts(although maybe she is saying that to cover her ass because she was married?).
Then when they were dating they did all kinds of BDSM stuff including him cutting her, but she says she genuinely enjoyed it at the time, never asked him to stop, and only later realized it was abuse and now has PTSD. She even shared an old text where she told him how much it turned her on that her scars reminded her of him or something. This is all very odd because if she genuinely enjoyed their BDSM activities at the time and never told him or wanted him to stop, how was he abusing her? She might look back and realize that their relationship was unhealthy or that her liking him and liking BDSM was unhealthy, but that doesn't equal him being an abuser.
Also she said that he was grooming her in the time between meeting her and filming the video, but that's kind of a weird claim since she was in her mid 20s, married and living on another continent. She also said that, because he promised to get her a role in a film of his when she moved in with him that never ended up coming to fruition, she was sex trafficked. I'm not sure how their consensual relationship equals sex trafficking.
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Yeah, Esme Bianco was the initial one I thought was full of it because she was trying to claim she was 'trafficked'. She was a grown ass woman who chose to get on a plane. Just because he paid for it does not make it 'trafficking'.
I don't know what MM does in his spare time & I know he's said some awful stuff in his book and interviews. It may or may not be true, given his use of shock value for pretty much his whole career. I am totally open to the possibility that he is into some hardcore sexual shit, could be an asshole when drunk/on drugs, etc. But I just really do not buy these particular allegations, too many holes in the stories + now actual evidence that it's fabricated.
Re: Marilyn Manson Abuse Allegations
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Selina M
I don't know what MM does in his spare time & I know he's said some awful stuff in his book and interviews. It may or may not be true, given his use of shock value for pretty much his whole career. I am totally open to the possibility that he is into some hardcore sexual shit, could be an asshole when drunk/on drugs, etc.
I agree, the most believable thing in her story for me was when she said he chased her with an ax because she 'put bugs in the walls,' because it sounds like he likes days long-hardcore drug binges and such activities can definitely lead to paranoia and hallucinations.
As far as his personality though, when the allegations first came out I was shocked because from what I had seen of his personality I would have never thought that he was capable of such things. I got the impression from him that he was intelligent and thoughtful and that with women he was actually kind of awkward and a pushover; I felt like a woman that he was attracted to would be able to wipe the floor with him and that his sexual deviancy was an overcompensation for this. But at the end of the day he's not a celebrity that I have closely followed so I figured I could be totally wrong, plus I was under the impression that he had serious drug issues and I know drugs can change people so I believed ERW.
Plus I think I and most people believe/d ERW in an Occam's razor type of way; like which is more likely: That Manson, a guy who has pushed this dark, demonic, disturbing, violent, sexually deviant image throughout his entire career, is actually a sicko? Or that ERW, this highly acclaimed, successful(I think? I don't follow her but that's my impression), intelligent, philanthropic actress is actually a secret psycho? The latter requires a bigger leap IMO.
Re: Marilyn Manson Abuse Allegations
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Genoveve
As far as his personality though, when the allegations first came out I was shocked because from what I had seen of his personality I would have never thought that he was capable of such things. I got the impression from him that he was intelligent and thoughtful and that with women he was actually kind of awkward and a pushover;
I got the same impression too. I never followed him closely, but when I saw him on talk shows or interviews he came across as intelligent and coherent.
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I think I believe most of the women.
I had no idea about so much in this thread. :/
I dance to dark music often so I think I'm going to remove his from my dance lists.
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^ Manson's team has proof that most of the women were coached on what to say... I will not be removing Manson from any of my Spotify playlists or anything unless someone has definitive proof that he abused any of these women.
This is all eerily similar to Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. I said it before but I find it suspect that Amber & ERW are buddies. Depp got crucified despite it coming out that Amber was full of it. Totally unfair.
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^ Hmmmm may be something to that.
Of course he is into BDSM games ect. and those can sometimes be imperfect.
I hate that in situations like this it's hard to tell who is honest.
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This is all eerily similar to Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. I said it before but I find it suspect that Amber & ERW are buddies. Depp got crucified despite it coming out that Amber was full of it. Totally unfair.
I think there was mutual abuse, but Amber Heard was more of the physical abuse instigator
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AH: That's the difference between me and you, you're a f**king baby.
JD: Because you start physical fights?
AH: You are such a baby! Grow the f**k up Johnny!
JD: Because you start physical fights?
AH: I did start a physical fight.
JD: Yeah, you did. So I had to get the f**k out of there.
AH: Yes, you did, so you did the right thing. The big thing, the, you know what? You are admirable. Every single time, what, what's your excuse, when there's not a physical fight, what's your excuse then? You're still being admirable, right, by running away? And you can sit here and call me names, but you get called a name and what do you do – 'that's the last insult!' You're a baby. You're a hypocrite. You don't do anything that you actually do. You expect from people what you can't give them. If they do something a taste of it to you, you f**king lose it. But yet you dish it out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pans-tape.html
As someone that is always trying to descalate any relationship situation this is nightmare fuel. Even at 6'3 I have to just leave the room if she is instigating violence.
Re: Marilyn Manson Abuse Allegations
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Genoveve
And I can't remember if it's the same woman, I assume so, but she or whoever was caught using pics of someone else's wounds from pinterest as 'proof' of her abuse.
I was wrong, that was a different accuser. So that's two different accusers using misleading photographic 'proof.'
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Selina M
^ Manson's team has proof that most of the women were coached on what to say... I will not be removing Manson from any of my Spotify playlists or anything unless someone has definitive proof that he abused any of these women.
Not only that they were coached on what to say, but that there was a whole recuitment process when the women have been trying to make it sound like they all decided to speak up organically. An ex-lover of Manson's has spoken about how Illma Gore, ERW's co-conspirator, reached out to her twice on behalf of ERW in the time before the allegations started coming out(once in 2020 and once in 2021) trying to get her to hop on zoom calls with all the other women discussing their Manson abuse. The same woman has also spoken about how the ex-assistant, who I forget what she's suing Manson for, is purposely falsley using her as one of his victims in her lawsuit.
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Selina M
This is all eerily similar to Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. I said it before but I find it suspect that Amber & ERW are buddies.
And that Johnny and Manson are close friends. They even have matching tattoos and Manson is Johnny's daughter's godfather.
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Selina M
Depp got crucified despite it coming out that Amber was full of it. Totally unfair.
Extremely unfair.
Re: Marilyn Manson Abuse Allegations
Ha I remember trying to avoid playing Guns 'n Roses back when I started as a DJ (and they were WAY more popular than they are now), because Axel was a notorious woman beater. That didn't last long. The dancers I worked with at the time didn't want to hear about that shit, they wanted to hear G'nR, so I didn't fight it.
Then along came Chris Brown. If anything, he's MORE popular now than before he beat the living shit out of Rihanna. I'd still like 3-4 minutes alone with the little prick, but I play his shit when the women ask me to.
Manson is a mixed bag for me. I absolutely love some of his stuff, and especially some of the more industrial type remixes. But that goddamned song Sweet Dreams is vile. If he came into my dreams screaming like that, I'd hack him up with a fucking ax. The other thing about Manson--it's impossible to start a Manson song and leave the booth, no matter how pressing the business might be. It's almost always too low (volume), then when he starts in with the fucking screaming everyone in the club gets bent that the DJ is playing the music so loud. Rinse and repeat, 5-7 times per song.
As for whether he was truly abusive, I haven't followed all the various accounts. Sounds like he might have pushed the boundaries too far.
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DeathAndTaxes
I think there was mutual abuse, but Amber Heard was more of the physical abuse instigator
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pans-tape.html
As someone that is always trying to descalate any relationship situation this is nightmare fuel. Even at 6'3 I have to just leave the room if she is instigating violence.
From what I've read, she was kind of the instigator for a long time and then the minute he retaliated, even verbally, she cried victim. That's like kicking a dog until it bites you and then calling it aggressive.
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^ Yeah it is very common actually, I think I must attract women with strong ideas on gender roles, but it is certainly rooted in the concept that big men should be man enough to take it. Honestly I could take it easily my pain threshold is really high, but the problem is always potential escalation with thrown objects, so that is why I leave.
Obviously it is a huge red flag, nobody is hot enough to ever have to deal with that kind of bullshit. I am fairly confident I can always keep my cool and not get instigated, but I cannot control the internet, that is honestly what makes me worry that so many people don't listen to reason or capable of changing their mind due to hard evidence.
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Djoser
Ha I remember trying to avoid playing Guns 'n Roses back when I started as a DJ (and they were WAY more popular than they are now), because Axel was a notorious woman beater. That didn't last long. The dancers I worked with at the time didn't want to hear about that shit, they wanted to hear G'nR, so I didn't fight it.
Then along came Chris Brown. If anything, he's MORE popular now than before he beat the living shit out of Rihanna. I'd still like 3-4 minutes alone with the little prick, but I play his shit when the women ask me to.
Manson is a mixed bag for me. I absolutely love some of his stuff, and especially some of the more industrial type remixes. But that goddamned song Sweet Dreams is vile. If he came into my dreams screaming like that, I'd hack him up with a fucking ax. The other thing about Manson--it's impossible to start a Manson song and leave the booth, no matter how pressing the business might be. It's almost always too low (volume), then when he starts in with the fucking screaming everyone in the club gets bent that the DJ is playing the music so loud. Rinse and repeat, 5-7 times per song.
As for whether he was truly abusive, I haven't followed all the various accounts. Sounds like he might have pushed the boundaries too far.
My honest take on Marilyn Manson, seeing as an old friend worked for him- it was an open secret he is a hard to deal with type of person.
I totally see him abusing women he dated. Sorry.
For comparison there's a bit of scandal regarding Tool using Alex Grey's artwork which is almost funny compared to MM allegedly kidnapping and raping his female "friends." You'll have to hit up the Googles for the Alex Grey scandal, I'm not posting it on here.
//We live in a sick, sad world.
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Personally I don't believe her. I believe she dated him but I don't believe her account of what transpired between them. I also don't believe he's 100% innocent either. I mean only a crazy person would look at Manson, listen to his lyrics and say yup that's a good upstanding human. He's repulsive. As an abuse survivor and someone that has been around victims in her past life, I know that we often don't make the best decisions and those decisions usually leads to us being manipulated, abused, taken advantage of, used..etc. That alone, knowing we could have chosen better can leave one stuck in shame for a very long time so I totally understand why an abuse victim would feel like they can't speak up, tell the whole truth or leave the relationship. In 6th grade my best friend lied about being raped by two football players, it was the talk of the town of the entire city. She later admitted to me and several others that it never happened and she just wanted attention. That experience totally warped my view of things like this. I don't believe in taking people's word for it because people lie for all sorts of reasons. It's happened all over the media all over the world. And it's unfortunate because it takes away from REAL victims of abuse.
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SnuffleUffleGrass
My honest take on Marilyn Manson, seeing as an old friend worked for him- it was an open secret he is a hard to deal with type of person.
I totally see him abusing women he dated. Sorry.
For comparison there's a bit of scandal regarding Tool using Alex Grey's artwork which is almost funny compared to MM allegedly kidnapping and raping his female "friends." You'll have to hit up the Googles for the Alex Grey scandal, I'm not posting it on here.
//We live in a sick, sad world.
Just like with certain politicians from both parties, where there's smoke--as in multiple reports of sexual or physical assault or criminal cases, regardless of whether charges are dropped if there's several--there's a fire.