No, I just understood that I stepped a bit out of line (again) and didn't want to keep doing it. I'm a guest, here.
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No, I just understood that I stepped a bit out of line (again) and didn't want to keep doing it. I'm a guest, here.
Hold up...100.1 ain't quite a low-grade fever (I'm getting conflicting information). Lmao. My bad.
Unfortunately it wasn't mandated at this nursing home. According to the article, trying to convince staff to be immunized was a “day-to-day struggle.” Here's the article:
https://www.kentucky.com/news/corona...250862594.html
I'm glad you agree vaccines should be mandatory for nursing home staff. Even if you don't work at a nursing home, there's no guarantee that you won't come in close contact with someone who is at risk for covid in the supermarket or somewhere else.
I'm glad you're getting the vaccine. One or two members of this forum who caught the virus described their experience, and it doesn't sound pleasant. Here's one:
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...=1#post3214282
Even if you're not old and don't currently have any medical conditions, the virus can still cause serious health problems.
I got the first dose of Pfizer on Sunday. I was messing with this forehead thermometer just now (A little while earlier it was saying 100.1). I took it again just now, and it said 79-something. I was like wait...wtf? Then I realized I forgot that I had put the damn protective cap back on it. Lmfao! Now it's saying my temperature is 99.8.
I have a phobia of throwing up, so with the second Pfizer that's in three weeks I'm gonna have saltine crackers...ginger ale...and those Pepto Bismol chewables handy.
Eagle, I said 55% of the total population. We are at 40% now. Keep in mind Fauci and others are still floating the absurd notion that we need 70-85% of the total population to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity, which would by necessity include children.
Given the side effects that some adults are experiencing, I very much doubt that these are going to be approved for young children anytime soon. And even if they are, many parents are going to be very hesitant.
Even among adults, the eager 50% have received it and now demand has dropped dramatically. The PSA tv ads are already rolling. Even the no appointment drive through vaccination sites are quickly becoming ghost towns. Counties here in FL are now turning vaccine away due to lack of demand.
So I will hold the line at less than 55% by Fall. We now need to find a more realistic way of managing this moving forward.
If I remember, I'll come back in September and see who was right. :)
This is very true.
ive said this before but you all need to get your financial affairs in order for example getting life insurance now especially if you have dependents/spouse/fav charities/etc because if you catch COVID-19......good luck getting life insurance
many companies are making people wait or flat out refusing to insure people who have had covid because it’s too risky due to the fact the long term health effects can be serious and are not quite known
The hyperventilating types on social media who keep howling about their risks and trying to brow beat others into getting it are just looking kinda' silly now. We are all going to make our own informed decisions based upon our preferences and risk tolerances.
I 100% support anyone who wants to get the vaccine. I even urged my wife to get it (which she did) because she is in a higher risk group. But we won't be giving it to our children anytime soon, if ever. First because they aren't at serious risk anyway even if they get it (and it's possible they already have) and, second, because the vaccine laid my wife out for 36 hours with fever, fatigue, tightening of the chest and pain in her back. Again, personal calculus. We are definitely happy that she got it because of her other risks, but we don't like the math when considering it for the little ones.
We are not going to reach herd immunity through vaccinations. Let me repeat...we are not going to reach herd immunity through vaccinations. See what I already posted about demand starting to fall of a cliff with adults. :)
So the sooner we can accept this and allow the melodrama to die down, the sooner we can all start looking at all of this more rationally.
Interesting. I'm not trying to be insulting eagle, but that came across as rather arrogant. Are you really convinced that you hold the only valid view on what the right decision is for everyone? :O
If a healthy 25 year old decides that he/she doesn't want to put another biologic in his/her body for something that frankly isn't especially dangerous to that young adult anyway, you don't believe that it's a rational decision?
If a mother had some fairly strong side effects from the vaccine that led her to decide not to vaccinate her children (once it is available for kids), reasonably balancing (in her view) the relatively low risks of COVID itself to her healthy kids vs. the potential side effects of the vaccine, you believe that your judgment is sounder than hers?
Again, interesting.
there is absolutely nothing to the point of a mother having side effects choosing not to vaccinate their child unless there is another hereditary condition at play. The children are individuals and the reaction varies. How perplexing, children are not copies of their parents.
And what do you consider side effects? some sluggishness, stomach issues, flu like symptoms? Like after every vaccine? You know how babies get sleepy and cranky after their shots? Really the end of the world? I have an actual allergy that could have lead to a pretty bad reaction, it didn’t but that is a side effect. I really truly hope you never have to experience what deadly covid is like, temporary discomfort is not a match
this is so entitled to deny modern medicine while you can see the true effects of lack of vaccine in India and elsewhere in the global south.
You said this about those who advocate all adults getting the shot:
The hyperventilating types on social media who keep howling about their risks and trying to brow beat others into getting it are just looking kinda' silly now.
That came across as insulting to me.
If you strictly go by the figures, where over 200 million doses have been given, with zero deaths attributed to the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, and one death attributed to the J & J vaccine; while close to 600,000 people have died from covid, then it does make sense for everyone to get vaccinated, who is eligible. More people have died from aspirin than from the covid vaccines.
Most, or all of those who are refusing to get vaccinated, do not have a scientific background, do not have a good understanding of how the vaccine was developed or how safe it is, and do not have a good understanding of the risk they face from covid. I've read of at least a few cases of people who refused to take the vaccine, catching the virus and dying from it. Those people clearly were not capable of deciding what was best for themselves. If they had just gone through getting stuck two times, they most likely would be alive today.
The healthy 25 year old doesn't know how he will be affected by the virus, especially with it mutating into newer variants. We're starting to see more and more young people being hospitalized for covid.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/healt...nts/index.html
In addition, it's not just about protecting the individual, but everyone else too. I read that the main cause of the big surge in hospitalizations and deaths we had over the winter, was caused by young adults who were living with their parents, catching the virus, and spreading it to their parents at home. There is also the possibility that if we continue to have large numbers of people catching the virus, that it can mutate into more deadly and contagious variants, as well as ones where the vaccine isn't as effective.
I can definitely understand a mother not wanting her child or children to be one of the first to get the vaccine, but if after 15 or 20 million children have been given the vaccine, and if there have been zero deaths and zero hospitalizations, then I think it would be a poor decision to not get vaccinated. If we do see that children are dying or are ending up with serious health problems, then I do think it is reasonable for parents to not get their children vaccinated. We're already seeing problems where parents believe they know better than doctors and scientists, and aren't getting their children vaccinated for measles, mumps, and whooping cough; and we're seeing outbreaks of these diseases, after having zero cases of them for years.
Just because someone feels miserable after getting the vaccine doesn't necessarily mean his or her life or health is threatened. I felt like hell for around 24 hours after getting vaccinated, but I'd do it again, knowing what the alternatives are. Everyone I know of who has been given the vaccine feels the same way.
Eagle, are you one of those people hyperventilating on social media? Otherwise I'm not sure why that comment was especially insulting for you. :)
But the rest of that diatribe was equal parts speculative and chilling. Do you really believe that nobody has died in part due to the vaccine? 3,486 vaccinated individuals have already died and while the CDC has purportedly analyzed each instance and determined that the vaccine was not a contributing factor, I draw small comfort in that given that this is the same CDC that is treating almost every death of a COVID positive person as a COVID-related death. There is a lot of agenda driven interpretation being applied on both sides of the equation, at federal and state levels.
The simple fact is that young people are at virtually no risk from this - the relative few who died almost all had underlying medical conditions. So if a mother who experiences strong side effects from the vaccine is concerned about giving it to her healthy child who doesn't really need it anyway, that's a very understandable position. It's certainly the position that I'm taking with my healthy children, even as I urged my higher risk wife to get it for her own protection (which she did).
As far as your comment regarding deciding for others whether they should get the shot, that mentality is absurdly arrogant. When a government tries to do it, it's the beginning of tyranny. If someone decides not to get the shot and he dies, then he dies. He did it on his own terms. This notion that you are more informed than he is utter nonsense. He had all of the same information at hand that you did and likely sat through just as many PSAs. He just took his chances and he got unlucky. That falls under the category of "shit happens."
Right now the adoption rate in the 25-40 age group is extremely low. Well duh. They know that COVID is not especially risky to them and, hence, do not want the vaccine. Anyone who thought it was going to be otherwise was absurdly naïve IMHO. I predicted months ago that we would be at this point sooner rather than later - just sayin. See post #34 of the thread below and 6 months later here were are having this exact debate. ;)
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...hlight=panacea
We have a vaccine for everyone who wants it. I suppose that some can sit on here (and I guess other sites) and tilt at windmills for the next several months in consternation over the lack of widespread vaccine adoption among younger people, but that's not going to change the reality. At some point, we're going to need to live with the reality that those who want it can get protected and those that do not are taking their own chances. Basically what we've been doing forever during each flu season, which also results in 10s of thousands of deaths each year.
“But even if the narratives these hubs string together are weak and not supported by extant research on vaccine risks, some evidence suggests seeing these sorts of stories repeated ad nauseam may turn otherwise open people away from vaccines. This is a problem, as experts warn that skeptics, especially in far-right strongholds are holding us back from herd immunity.”
and in regards to that number
“It’s also incredibly easy to poke holes in this big, flashy figure. Anyone can file a report, to the system, which opens it to secondhand or hearsay, repetitious, or even clearly spurious accounts of adverse reactions. (In the past, pro-vaccine advocates have successfully filed reports that a vaccine turned a man into The Hulk and another gave a baby Wonder Woman powers to prove this point.) Health-care providers to report any death they are aware of that occurs soon after a patient receives a vaccine, which at times translates into reports of patently unrelated deaths”
I would urge everyone to read this piece to see how fake figures are created https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside...-death-hunters
Right. It couldn't be that people are collecting their own information, applying their own analysis to the situation and coming up with their own conclusions. It's all about bad messaging. Because of course if they just understood thing as clearly as some on here do, they'd know that there is only one inescapable option. ;)
Like those silly parents who don't want to give their kids a rushed to market biologic with potential side effects and no long-term track record for something that isn't dangerous to their kids anyway. How unreasonable. If they had any decency, they'd put aside their primary concern - which of course is their kids' well-being - and focus on the greater good. Sheesh.
Then there is the overwhelming % of those 25 to 40 year olds who are not taking it because they're obviously being misled. Clearly they must belong to the "right wingers are us" coalition. After all, it couldn't possibly be because they have been paying attention to the mortality statistics and simply concluded that they don't need it. Nope, obviously we have to attribute that to bad messaging, clearly inferior intellect and, of course, a selfish lack of concern for the broader community. :)
Yup, bad messaging must be the cause of all of this resistance. I am now a believer. ;D
Employers are starting to require employees to get vaccinated.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/want-th...ed-11619438580
A very tiny percentage at this point. There is also a collection of high profile private universities requiring it of their returning students.
Whether any of this becomes widespread remains to be seen. I suspect that there are just too many legalities to tackle for most large employers to jump into those waters, including employment laws that have to be tackled state by state, but time will tell. For public universities, the big legal question has been whether they (as an arm of the state government) can mandate a vaccine that only has provisional "emergency use" approval by the FDA.
Indeed, one of those high profile private universities is requiring it for returning students, but not for aging professors and administrative employees. It sounds ass backwards from a common sense standpoint, but the school no doubt determined that it was easier, from a legal standpoint, to mandate vaccines for voluntary participation than for its employees.
At least one of those employers in the WSJ article is requiring it for new hires, but not for existing employees. Again, HR legalities in some states limit employers from setting a new condition of employment that did not previously exist and other laws limit employers' ability to ask health related questions. It's a real minefield.
I won’t be getting the vaccine for personal reasons but I’m dead against forcing people to have it. It’s not had enough clinical trials yet in my mind. It’s a personal choice, if you wanna get it, get it. No one has a right to tell you what to put in your own body, no one! I get people are scared, I get it but forcing people is tyranny x
If only there was a vaccine to end cruelty and lack of compassion x
Rick , we agree about so many things and are in substantial agreement over this whole Covid thing ( more or less ) but , But , BUT as far as vaccinations go I think as many people as possible ought to get vaccinated. Not at gunpoint or through coercion but through FACT BASED education. The vaccines ARE safe . And as Eagle has ( okay , a bit arrogantly but rather smoothly for him lol ) pointed out, the vaccine benefits everybody. Not just the recipient but those the recipient comes in CLOSE contact with. Particularly family and co-workers. Remember "No shots , No school " ? That was coercive without being tyrannical. The primary purpose was to prevent epidemics. What was wrong with that ? What's wrong with similar type programs for adults ?
I got the Moderna vaccine. After the first shot I had very slight fogginess and sluggishness for a couple hours . After the second the fatigue was more pronounced and lasted several hours. That was it. I know that some people effectively get a mild case of Covid from the shot or more accurately their immune systems have been sensitized and alerted so that the second shot causes a strong immune response. Btw, that is what causes fever. The body fighting an infection. As Eagle pointed out , a grand total of one person is SUSPECTED of dying from the J & J vaccine. Like nobody else got phlebitis or thrombosis ? There is no PROVEN connection between the vaccine and blood clots. Yet. It is similar to what the CDC has been doing with the overall Covid numbers. If you get sick and are Covid positive you were sickened by Covid. If you died , you were killed by Covid. 35 years ago they were doing the same with AIDS. If you were HIV positive and died you died from AIDS. Period. If you went from HIV positive to HIV negative then you were never positive in the first place. Today there is some room for nuance and differentiation. But I digress.
I just got back from Florida. The MAIN reason I went was to experience a few days of common sense and sanity. Everything was open and the restaurants and bars were packed. You were free to walk around without a mask OUTDOORS. No social distancing at all and very little indoors. Even at the Airport. The planes were chock full. I know cuz I was stuck in a middle seat on my trip home ( right behind the chatty family with the baby who cried non-stop for almost 3 hours ! And it wasn't wearing a mask ! Eeeek ! Should I get tested just to be safe ? lol.) Indoors you have to wear one. Fauci wore me out months ago but he and the other nattering nannies have become purveyors of farce. If we have to wear masks after being vaccinated then why get the shot ? When can we go back to normal ? Fauci refuses to say. What is herd immunity ; what percent of the population has to be vaccinated or have the anti-bodies ? Fauci et al keep raising the bar. If every study says that outdoors is safe repeat SAFE , that the virus infects via aerosols not surfaces then why do we have to keep wearing masks anywhere and everywhere ?
I have had two employees come down with Covid. Both recovered fully , quickly and completely. I ASKED everyone else to get vaccinated and about half my folks have done so or have an appointment. We still wear our masks in the common areas of the office. Those with enclosed offices ( like me ) can take it off behind closed doors. All clients and visitors MUST wear a mask. None, NONE have had to be told to put one on. Last year I had the office thoroughly steam cleaned and sanitized every month but stopped this year after the latest report that we do not catch Covid from surfaces. We are all washing our hands a lot more than before. My hands have never been cleaner lol. AND I haven't had a cold since this whole Covid thing started. See ? It pays to wash your hands early and often.
Because there have been very few reports of adverse reactions other than the enhanced immune response. Which is EXACTLY what these type vaccines are SUPPOSED to do. Like the cholera and other vaccines.
It is true that these vaccines were fast tracked and there is not a years long trail of adverse reports as is typical. A trade off was deliberately made. That said, there are no reported deaths directly attributable to these vaccines. The blood clots have NOT been definitively linked to the J & J vaccine. It could just as likely be unrelated phlebitis or thromboses.
My friend is a nurse and she has been getting case after case of vaccine related problems.... I don’t know, I just know there’s not enough time gone into these and it seems to me we are guinea pigs for them and that worries me . I’m sure lots will be 100% fine and I hope so but I don’t trust big pharma , sorry xx