Are there reactions to the vaccines ? Yes ! None reported as fatal. Almost all transitory. In fact very few, if any reported permanent effects. The good from the vaccines clearly outweighs the bad.
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Are there reactions to the vaccines ? Yes ! None reported as fatal. Almost all transitory. In fact very few, if any reported permanent effects. The good from the vaccines clearly outweighs the bad.
I guess it's just a coincidence that countries where the government and its citizens listen to the top scientists and follow their advice, have the lowest death rates from covid, and countries like the US, where a significant number of citizens as well as our previous leader, all think they know better than the top scientists, as to what is best for them, have by far, the highest death rates.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is the biggest problem we have in this country.
The problem is, people who refuse to get the vaccine aren't just endangering their own life, they're endangering the lives of others. I've already mentioned how three residents in a KY nursing home died, because half of the staff there refused to get vaccinated. When people catch covid and become very ill, and have to go to the ICU, everyone else has to pay for it through higher insurance premiums. In addition, if hospitals become overwhelmed with covid patients, it affects the care of people in the hospital for other reasons. The more people who catch covid, the more likely it is, to mutate into new forms.
The reality is that we have no long term data whatsoever re: the vaccines and even our short-term data is incomplete at best. It's not unreasonable for some people to take the position that they will wait and see or even decide that they just don't need it, especially young people at no real risk.
Now that doesn't mean that I begrudge the CDC or the current administration from promoting the heck out of it. They have to look at the population as a whole and a vaccinated population is safer from COVID than an unvaccinated population. In essence they are just doing their jobs.
But individuals are instinctively selfish creatures and each person is going to do what he/she thinks is in his/her best interest. For older people and those with other medical issues, that meant getting the vaccine for self-protective reasons since they are at much higher risk from COVID. Many younger healthy people, OTOH, don't want to take a brand new biologic that they just don't believe that they need anyway. Why anyone is surprised by any of this is mind-boggling to me.
And to Eagle's point re: children, I know it's not approved for them yet. But that is inevitably where the next round of breathless hyperbole and brow beating will be coming once it happens.
So here we are. Eventually scared people who have already been vaccinated are going to need to calm down and our leaders are going to have to become more pragmatic. Now that a vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, continuing mask requirements and other restrictions is simply pointless. From here on in, any death from COVID will be from a conscious decision not to take the vaccine, not from a lack of available protection. At some point, we need to embrace the reality and return to normalcy.
This 100%:) I am for personal choice and reasonable anti covid measures. I sanitize literally everything I get from the outside (after shopping etc lol)
Btw, do they ask you (I refer to all folk in this thread who got vaccinated) to sign any papers before they vaccinate you? Something about you agreeing and responsible for all the consequences after the shot?
I had to fill out a patient form, same thing you always have to do when you're conscious and going to the Hospital. But that was it.
No. My son and I each had to complete a form stating our name, address, number...the name/address/phone number of our primary care physician...and answer a few questions about if we've been in direct contact with someone with COVID, if we feel sick today, etc. There's a section to fill in your medical insurance card info, but the lady at Walgreens said that part really didn't need to be filled out.
I didn't even have anything about Covid on mine. It was just a standard Patient form. *shrug*
We have no long term data for covid either. I don't understand why the same people who are so worried about the long-term effects of the covid vaccine, have no concern at all about the long term effects of covid. Even if you're a young, healthy person who catches the virus and recovers from it, there is no way to know what effects it will have on you 20 - 30 years later. If you've had chicken pox as a child, it puts you at risk for shingles 50 - 60 years later.
True enough, but I think what waters that argument down for some is that we have been living with COVID a lot longer than we've been living with the vaccine. This is especially true of younger people, who at least in Florida have overwhelmingly been the group that lived through infections. Given that most of them had mild symptoms to begin with, feel fine now and, in many cases, didn't even know that they had it until they tested positive, selling them a relative unknown to ward against a long-term COVID boogeyman is probably a tough sell.
So much so that FL vaccine demand has plummeted. Just two weeks ago Florida was administering over 100,000 first dose shots per day. Yesterday that number was 23,000 and is expected to continue to trend downward, despite the fact that we have more supply and vaccination sites than ever. The same trend is being seen in many other parts of the country as well.
So again, while I very much understand the desire to see as much of the population vaccinated as possible, eventually we're going to have to come to terms with reality and adjust our expectations accordingly. People aren't going to be willing to live with these restrictions for much longer now that the vaccine is widely available and the CDC is losing credibility by the day.
Let’s also not forget the fact that the vaccine is untested experimental gene therapy from which you can not detoxify. It’s the first of its kind and kills people. I understand those who have taken it have a life expectancy of up to 3 years but we will soon see about that.
The scamdemic is another Hegelian dialectic to justify the jab. It’s been planned for years and a real pandemic does not require lies propaganda and a marketing team focussing on fear for compliance.
It’s really just wilful ignorance at this stage and a virus is an inert cellular secretion and causation should not be confused with correlation.
Pfizer tested their vaccine on 43,000 people and Moderna tested their vaccine on 30,000 people, before the vaccines were approved for public use. The vaccines do not modify your genetic code.
Still not FDA approved still in clinical trials. Still classified as a poison according to the Australian government website. It’s still in clinical trials and you lot are the lab rats.
The Center Academy in Florida have warned teachers not to inject themselves with this slop. Several gyms, mine included, refuse entry to those guillible enough to assault their immune systems with the device.
Research more. It’s all on the GovernMent & vax websites, the latter are legally immune from lawsuits. If that doesn’t raise some red flags then you won’t be bothered that life insurance doesn’t cover vax damage due to the experimental nature of the crap.
The FDA did approve it. If they didn't, it would not be legally available. The Australian government website does not say it's poison. It says the exact opposite.
From:
https://www.australia.gov.au/covid19vaccines
Where are you getting your information from? Please provide links.Quote:
How do I know that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe?
All vaccines are thoroughly tested for safety before they are approved for use in Australia. This includes careful analysis of clinical trial data, ingredients, chemistry, manufacturing and other factors.
Ok sorry reports receibved and this is political post so closing temporarily and will try to clean it up.