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I watched that movie back in the days. It was good but I no longer watch horror films because I’ll get too jumpy n paranoid especially if I’m alone at night.
It interesting how the mass killings end up becoming the source for popular horror movies
I thought the houses where horrific crimes occur usually get demolished though?
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No, it's still up. People still live there. I think there's been three or four different owners since the Lutzes. You gotta remember, that was like fourty-five years ago.
Oh, and I don't watch Horror movies either but because they're usually shit. Almost always terrible. But this one is purported to be a true story. My ass it's a true story. I read the book. But there's something about it. Maybe Jay Anson (The Author) just beefed things up a bit to sell books. I mean, he's got a statue walking around in it!
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That’s exactly the reason I don’t watch them is many of them based on real life events and it’s just disheartening (and scary) to know that kind of evil exists in the world.
The good horror films were the ones that didn’t rely on heavy digital graphic effects like so many nowadays. The old school classics like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Psycho, Halloween, etc.
These days, If I need a thrill I’d rather go on a rollercoaster than watch a horror movie.
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Yeah, well, most of the ones based on real life events are just bullshit. They exaggerate everything to scare you. Not that I mind, as long as they put some effort into it.
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Ever see the movie Annabelle? Or Annabelle Creation or Annabelle comes home? Here's a pic of the real doll. It's quite different from what you see in the movie.
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That's the actual Annabelle. It's a raggedy Ann doll. Very terrifying, huh?
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As far as Amityville Horror goes: Maybe the Lutzes had an experience, maybe not. But it's really strange that nobody, even the people IN THE HOUSE heard those gunshots from Ronald DeFeo Jr. That's strange. Strange enough to make me look at it twice. And I don't usually do that. You listen to these people and every house is haunted. But this one is pretty fucking weird.
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Here's my take on the Amityville Horror:
Yes, I heard about the Amityville horror and murders as child. I do believe that demonic possession happened but it only happen because the Defeos and Lutzes were engaging in unnatural things that demons love. Demonic activities just don't come out of the blue.Demons loved chaos and those people had chaotic home lives( Both families had abusive fathers at the head of them, tons of violence happening everyday, and Defeos older children's allegedly had incestuous relationship.) Plus, the demon investigators, The Warrens, allegedly found Valac there. There's picture of Valac in his child form they took.Valac was documented to be fond of pigs, appearing as nuns or little boys with glowing eyes, and that's what's he does. Valac did that same mess in "The Lessor Keys of Solomon"...well at least in my great-great grandfather's vision of "The Lessor Keys of Solomon" ( Pre-Victorian version)
Yeah, Ronald Defeo murdered his family after years of enduring an abusive household. His family allegedly had mob ties as well. His father was super abusive while his mother enabled his husband's abusive behavior. There was a lot of abuse in the family including an allegedly incestuous relationship between Ronald and his sister. During his trial, Defeo claimed all types of stuff but the demonic possession defense claim was the most striking. Then about 1976 or 1977, the Lutzes moved in and had their own history of abuse. They lived in there, allegedly had some experiences, and move out. However, their experiences seem to give weight to Defeo's testimony about demonic possession theory. That's my thoughts on this manner.
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Well, Dona, Jay Anson never says anything about abuse, but that would be expected. If he did write it with the Lutzes then they're going to come out of the novel looking like Angelic Beings. But i can't get that Ronald Defeo thing out of my head.
Like I said, this entire story is damned peculiar. I mean it's been forty six years years and no other person has reported anything but seances or people fucking on the front lawn.
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BTW, the bullet holes in the blankets and bedsheets matched up with the bullet wounds on the people, so none of them were repositioned. How did no one wake up? There's fucking rifle fire going off, how do you not wake up?
As far as the Lutzes are concerned, I don't believe Jay Anson's walking statue, but you don't buy a house like that and just run away unless something is chasing you.
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I do find it interesting that nobody woke up. Edited since Raziel answered my question about being repositioned after the fact.
The novel definitely doesn't stick to the facts. For example, they said that there were pig/hoof tracks leading away from the house in the snow, but on the date Anson/the novel claims it happened, the weather report shows there was no snow in Amityville.
Annabelle and the Warrens are another story. I have Ed Warren's book The Demonologist and as much as it would be interesting to believe the stories, the Warrens have a long history of being accused of fraud. They showed up at other people's investigations and then acted like they were way more involved than they were. The Conjuring 2 is about the Enfield haunting and it's been said that they kind of muscled their way in uninvited, yet they got made out to be the heroes in the movie. I don't know how much I believe in any of their particular stories, though there are lots of urban legends of people mocking Annabelle on the Warrens' museum tour and then getting in car accidents and such.
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Correction, I was addressing what Lutz's stepchildren had to say about him. Danny had a lot to say about his stepfather. I tend to believe an child who actually lived with George Lutz instead of someone cashing into the Amityville "haunting" after the fact.☺
Here's the article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...r-silence.html
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Well, Dona, Jay Anson never says anything about abuse, but that would be expected. If he did write it with the Lutzes then they're going to come out of the novel looking like Angelic Beings. But i can't get that Ronald Defeo thing out of my head.
Like I said, this entire story is damned peculiar. I mean it's been forty six years years and no other person has reported anything but seances or people fucking on the front lawn.
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Annabelle and the Warrens are another story. I have Ed Warren's book The Demonologist and as much as it would be interesting to believe the stories, the Warrens have a long history of being accused of fraud. They showed up at other people's investigations and then acted like they were way more involved than they were. The Conjuring 2 is about the Enfield haunting and it's been said that they kind of muscled their way in uninvited, yet they got made out to be the heroes in the movie. I don't know how much I believe in any of their particular stories, though there are lots of urban legends of people mocking Annabelle on the Warrens' museum tour and then getting in car accidents and such.
Selina, I don't believe in any of that. I think those people were quacks. The Warrens were involved in Amityville.
But as far as Amityville goes, I just don't know.
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Personally, I don't really find the Defeos murders that interesting. Once you read the case, it seems that family was on that path as soon as Ronald reached his teen years. Bad parenting, abusive family dynamics, and other factors put them on that course. Also, I feel like Ronald Defeo should have been moved out of his parents' home since he was already over 18 at time. But is my opinion on the Defeo murders.
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Personally, I don't really find the Defeos murders that interesting. Once you read the case, it seems that family was on that path as soon as Ronald reached his teen years. Bad parenting, abusive family dynamics, and other factors put them on that course. Also, I feel like Ronald Defeo should have been moved out of his parents' home since he was already over 18 at time. But not my opinion on the Defeo murders.
Dona, still they didn't wake up. My ass would have been out the WINDOW. That dude would have never seen me IF I'd heard it. So why didn't they hear it? It's possible, I suppose, that a Demon just found this guy and he was susceptible to his Demon stuff, whatever that is.
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As I said, that doesn't interested me. Why they didn't wake up or did... doesn't interested me. As far as demonic possession goes, I said that happened to both the Defeos and Lutzes because how they ran their households. Those people ran chaotic households with bad parenting, child abuse, and so forth..demons can come in. This is not me saying this. The Defeos had an documented abusive household. Meanwhile, the Lutzes were no better as Danny himself said about his stepfather, George Lutz.
As far the Warrens...rather they are frauds or not also hold no interest with me. I thought their investigation was interesting along with Ronald's and the Lutzes testimonies of the demonic. That was way more interesting to me than some slacker taking out his abusive father along with his other family members in the 70s.That's my point.
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Dona, still they didn't wake up. My ass would have been out the WINDOW. That dude would have never seen me IF I'd heard it. So why didn't they hear it? It's possible, I suppose, that a Demon just found this guy and he was susceptible to his Demon stuff, whatever that is.
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Fair enough, but I just don't believe the Lutzes, at least not all the way. I think something happened to them, but not what Anson says. Ronnie Defeo is the one that is most interesting to me. I think, killing little kids, SOMETHING definitely happened to him.
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You watch the movies and they're all like "The RED ROOM IS THE PATHWAY TO HELL" The red room is a small room in the basement of the Amityville House 112 Ocean Avenue. It's said to be the origin of the entire gig.
Here's the real Red Room.
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Not much like the movies, huh? First off, it's a lot smaller than they depict. Jay Anson makes a lot out of the Red Room, BUT that does happen with a lot of Hauntings. A seemingly normal room in the house becomes a Demon's Pit. The movies are retarded, though. There's no hole in there gonna drag anybody down it.
Just had this thought.
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By the way, I hate to keep stinking this up, but Ronald Defeo had four siblings. The boys shared one room, the Girls shared another. He killed the boys first, and the Girls were sound asleep after the shootings. Do you know how LOUD a rifle is inside a house? And their room was right down the hall from the murdered boys.
WEIRD!
I don't buy most haunting, I knew one girl that called the COPS on a Ghost. They were probably mystified, what the fuck are they gonna do, slap the cuffs on it? Call the Ghostbusters?
But this one, I don't know...
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Personally, I don't why this case amazing you so much? Is it because some lackluster slacker from an small-time mob family killed his siblings as well as his abusive parents? This case isn't weird for some of us. Just to be clear, the only victims here are the Defeo and Lutzes children. Particularly, the other 4 Defeo children suffered because their parents kept an chaotic household where screaming, choking, and pulling guns on each other was the norm.It's quite typical case when it comes to familicide.
Then they tragically die because of their parents' abusive behavior and their brother's extreme hatred of his family. In addition, some clout chaser gold digger married and had children by Ronnie Defeo in prison. Those children are also victims because of their mother's hard up behavior. I guess she wasn't thinking about what would happen when they older. Seriously, who openly has children by mass murderer who took out his whole family? Meanwhile, the Lutzes were no better and their children suffer for it.
Well, a lot of people (mostly men) have kill their whole families throughout the centuries. In fact, whole empires such as The Ottoman Empire thrive from men killing their siblings for power. In addition, many serial and mass killers have committed familicide.For example, serial killer Edmund Kemper killed his own grandparents and mother. ( Weird part about that is Edmund's mother let him stay in her house 10 years after he killed her parents.)
Yes, I know how loud an riffle is. Also, Defeo, The Lutzes, and The Warrens didn't say it was ghosts. They said it was demonic in nature tied to the property itself. My point is the Defeos murders are not interesting by themselves. In fact, I dare say if Ronnie Defeo didn't kill his family. The mob might have took them out anyways.
The Defeo family themselves were documented terrible people because they are an mob family. My point is that this case wouldn't happen if the Defeo parents took care of their parental duties. Even if they had Ronnie leave their home; it could stop this massacre from happening.Moral of this case is if you run chaotic household and behave like bedbugs expect Satan to crush everything about you. Bad parenting and child abuse allow demons to walk through the door. Then everyone gets to profits off this crime but it leaves children unable to life normal lives That's the true horror of Amityville.
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By the way, I hate to keep stinking this up, but Ronald Defeo had four siblings. The boys shared one room, the Girls shared another. He killed the boys first, and the Girls were sound asleep after the shootings. Do you know how LOUD a rifle is inside a house? And their room was right down the hall from the murdered boys.
WEIRD!
I don't buy most haunting, I knew one girl that called the COPS on a Ghost. They were probably mystified, what the fuck are they gonna do, slap the cuffs on it? Call the Ghostbusters?
But this one, I don't know...
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Yeah, but if he'd only killed his parents (Or just his dad) it would be one thing. But the kids? And I didn't say it amazed me, I said it was curious. When you take into account that the next family that lived there also had an experience, something's up.