https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgK8p50uLik
This is too funny.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgK8p50uLik
This is too funny.
A whole bunch of new requirements have been announced before my son (and other students) can return to the college campus for spring semester, including the requirement of KN95 masks. That shit ain't cheap, and my grandmom is gonna help me out by sending me some in the mail.
^kn95 masks can be reused (if you don’t touch them with unsanitized hands, if you’re not in the COVID unit or exposed to COVID, and you’re able to successfully social distance)
I’ve gotten a lot better at telling people to back up out of my 6ft of space. But sometimes there are so many crazy people walking around that it’s better to carry mace, a big bag, shopping cart or whatever to put a buffer between you and someone with no home training who gets too close.
This happened to me too the other night(s). Weird dream, as well as some shit I can't even explain where it felt like I was - as they say - "trippin'", and felt like I was in the air looking down at my body laying in the bed...or some shit. I really can't explain it, but it was wild.
So I'm finally better - 7 days of something between a cold and the flu in virulence. Thanks to all my good exes and friends I got lots of soup. Compared to the early stages of COVID I feel pretty lucky I got this less harmful variant.
However .... this variant, by all accounts, seems to ignore the current crop of vaccines in terms of transmissibility, though not severity. That leads to the conclusion that in order to avoid it, the only options are N95 or KN, isolate, only interact outside and at a distance, etc.
I think if I was a parent I'd prefer my child to just get it, rather than grow up like that. Hugs to all the parents who have to navigate this impossible time.
^^^glad you’re okay
^Kinda like when our parents expose us to chicken pox before there was a vaccine. Get it young and hopefully they won’t have to worry as older adults? Hopefully that’s how all this works. Ugh.
All I know is I’m tired of the virus being politicized. It’s hard to know what to do. So far everyone at work has been okay, and we’re in a high risk environment. I’m not too worried about it. We’re all having to choose the lesser of evils right now.
Regarding the vaccines.
i wish our vaccines against COVID were more comprehensive and the COVID vaccines actually eliminated transmission, like the other plethora of required vaccines.
I’d probably home school if I had little kids. The pandemic is a lot to worry about for adults let alone little kids.
And “just getting it” might not be the best idea (although i see where you’re coming from because it’s less panic n worry) because there are some people who have long term effects from COVID, some life insurance companies won’t insure anyone who has ever had COVID because of the possibility of have lasting effects including increased rates of mortality, and just because a person has had it once doesn’t necessarily mean they’re totally immune from catching it again.
LOL I just found out my friend's mom is probably going to pay the ultimate price for her cynicism about the COVID vaccines.
She can't say she was not warned. F*cking people man.
Either you didn't READ what I posted or you chose to deliberately misunderstand it . You CERTAINLY did NOT read YOUR own link. The one YOU posted. Or if you did, you skipped over everything in it that CONFIRMS what I posted.
Just yesterday the head of the CDC confirmed that Covid vaccination does NOT prevent you from being infected with Covid. Nor does it prevent you from being infectious. Then why get vaccinated ? Because ( as I posted ) you are protecting yourself. If you are fully vaxxed ( 2 shots and a booster ) and you get infected chances are excellent that you will experience Zero to mild symptoms for a day or two at most. If you are fully vaxxed and do not have co-morbidities ( as I posted ) your chances of getting so sick as to require hospitalization are minute. There are indications but not definitive proof that the fully vaccinated are less infectious for a shorter period of time than those who are not. To be infectious you must have ACTIVE virus in your body ; not just the anti-bodies.
You yourself posted about the "risk of breakthrough infections ". What are they ? Infections of people who are VACCINATED. We agree ( I think , I hope ) that it is primarily the UNvaccinated who are going to the hospital with Covid. However , again according to the CDC , most people who test positive in the hospital went there for something other than Covid. I know for a fact and personal experience that EVERYONE who goes to a hospital gets tested for Covid.
This sort of misinformation and misunderstanding has serious consequences. We had two Supreme Court Justices ( Sotomayor and Breyer ) who recently spouted Covid facts and figures during oral argument in the Vaccine Mandate cases that ( according to the CDC ) were wildly inaccurate and totally unsupported by the actual numbers. Sotomayor claimed that 100,000 children were seriously ill with Covid ; "many on ventilators ". In fact only 3500 children are currently in the hospital with Covid and most are NOT on ventilators. However it is true that most were NOT vaccinated and also true that most had at least one co-morbidity. Obesity , diabetes and on chemo or otherwise immunosuppressed being the top three. Of all the children who died from Covid since the start of the pandemic in the U.S. almost all had at least one major co-morbidity.
Either you didn't READ what I posted or you chose to deliberately misunderstand it. You don't seem to understand the concept that getting vaccinated makes it less likely that you will get infected. You seem to think that because the vaccine is not 100% effective in preventing infections, that it makes no difference at all, when it comes to preventing infections. Again the infection rate for unvaccinated New Yorkers is more than 6 times higher than vaccinated New Yorkers. These figures imply that getting vaccinated does reduce the likelihood of getting infected. From the article I linked to:
To summarize:Quote:
Breakthrough infections soared by relative standards through December, with 149.5 of 100,000 fully vaccinated New Yorkers getting infected the week of Dec. 20. That compares with a rate of 28.3 breakthrough infections per 100,000 the week of Dec. 6. Unvaccinated New Yorkers are still more than six times as likely to get infected, with a 940.7 daily infection rate per 100,000 residents the week of Dec. 20. That's still a more than a four-fold increase from their risk of infection the week of Dec. 6.
149.5 of 100,000 fully vaccinated New Yorkers were infected the week of Dec. 20.
940.7 of 100,000 unvaccinated New Yorkers were infected the week of Dec. 20.
Based on these figures, getting vaccinated most likely does reduce the likelihood of infection. 149.5 is way lower than 940.7.
First of all I have consistently stated that afaic everyone should get vaccinated unless there is sound medical reason not to. Vaccinated people are protected against becoming seriously ill with Covid.
According to the head of the CDC and numerous infectious disease experts, vaccination does NOT prevent Covid infection. I grant you it was clearly a grudging admission by Dr. Walensky but she did say it. If you want to dispute her interpretation of the data aka "the science" please be my guest. If it were not so then where are all these "breakthrough " infections among the VACCINATED coming from ? And the numbers in your link and other sources are based ONLY on people TESTED for Covid. Again Dr. Walenksy confirmed (again grudgingly and as sotto voce as she could ) that most people admitted into hospitals ( and/or seen in the E.R. ) who then tested positive for Covid did not go there for Covid symptoms. They were mostly trauma cases or had another illness or condition. Likewise the vaccinated who have ACTIVE virus ( not anti-bodies ) are infectious and can pass Covid along to others.
The good news is that Omicron is a much milder variant. The hospitalization rate for Omicron is much lower than other variants. More good news is that Omicron appears to be peaking. When you combine the vaccinated with those with natural immunity from having had Covid and now having the anti-bodies that have been shown to be superior and more long lasting than those generated by vaccination we are on the verge of "herd immunity". At least until the next variant comes along. Historically subsequent variants are less lethal but more infectious than their predecessors.
We can banter back and forth with facts and figures to no good purpose. Especially when we agree that people should get vaccinated or at least get tested regularly if they are not. The key numbers are hospitalizations and the death rate. Again, Walensky of the CDC conceded that both numbers are far, far lower than last year and certainly compared to 2020 numbers. She grudgingly admitted that Sotomayor's and Breyer's numbers were wildly inaccurate.
I also said that the numbers indicate that getting vaccinated makes for a diminished level of active virus for a shorter period of time than for unvaccinated people. However , we now have two studies ; one from Denmark and the other from Ontario that show higher rates of Covid infection among vaccinated people than among the unvaccinated. Afaic , it doesn't matter if those studies prove to be valid because it is clear that vaccinated people get less sick less often than those who are not. To date, those studies have NOT been peer reviewed and the authors clearly stated that further research and study was needed before conclusions could be drawn. That did not stop the factually delinquent "anti-vaxxer" crowd from overreacting.
Btw, I have searched but can't find any study that has numbers for vaccinated people who tested positive for Covid but had NO Symptoms. I have several fully vaxxed friends who tested positive but had ZERO symptoms . All I could find are the CDC recommendations for such cases where they cut the quarantine period for such people from 10 days to 5.
Yes, I and other people on this forum are proof that you can be vaccinated and still get Covid. So let's please not spread misinformation, telling people that the vaccine prevents you from getting Covid...because that is not true.
I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, but I still wear a mask and social distance.
Everyone in this thread already knows this, as it's been repeated over and over and over again. My point is that your other post said otherwise (Probably just a typo on your part, and you meant to say "doesn't?"), so you should edit it.
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Here is exactly what CDC Director Dr. Rochelle "everyone calls me Rachel" Walensky said on AUGUST 6th about Delta:
(CNN)Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well," Walensky told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death -- they prevent it. But what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."
That's why the CDC changed its guidance last week and is now recommending even vaccinated people wear masks indoors again, Walensky said.
Last week, the agency released a study that showed the Delta variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they got infected -- data that suggests vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection could have a similar tendency to spread the virus as the unvaccinated.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/healt...day/index.html
Please note there is TRANSMISSION, which occurs through direct or indirect contact, droplet or aerosol, and INFECTION, which occurs within the transmissee. The vaccines DO NOT prevent transmission, per CDC and many other qualified scientists and doctors. Some say they prevent infection, and limit severity of infection, and our blue member here appears to be saying that by his read of recent NY state data the rate of infection of vaccinated individuals is lower.
I'm not sure that interpretation factors in that reported rates are MUCH lower than actual rates of transmission and infection, and that what may be occurring is vaccinated are more likely to be symptomless and therefore less apparent.
Further, Omicron, which is clearly much more transmissible than Delta, in some studies, is MORE likely to infect the vaccinated than the unvaccinated, so we have no clarity yet from scientists.
As Miss AP said, the regrettable politicization of all this makes it even harder.